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240v 75x AA in the US?
#26450429 - 01/24/20 05:53 PM (4 years, 5 days ago) |
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Have any of you been successful running a 240v 75x All American in the USA? A friend of mine just offered me one for $50 and I want to make sure I will be able to use it. I'm thinking I'll be able to just hook it up to a dryer outlet, or if need be run a 240v line. Any of you have experience with this?
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You can run it you will just have to have a 240v outlet. Hook up to your dryer or stove outlet and run another box. Just remember you will most likely not be able to run them both at the same time without kicking the breaker. If you run another box make sure you use the proper gauge wire or lower.
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Awesome. Thanks for the amazing info as always!
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Make sure you look up how many amps it takes. That will determine what kind of socket you will need. 30amp and 20amp are two different plugs. 240 requires double pole breakers. You can run it with romex if you need to create a new circuit for your PC.
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Re: 240v 75x AA in the US? [Re: Dephect]
#26451591 - 01/25/20 10:14 AM (4 years, 4 days ago) |
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Dephect said: Make sure you look up how many amps it takes. That will determine what kind of socket you will need. 30amp and 20amp are two different plugs. 240 requires double pole breakers. You can run it with romex if you need to create a new circuit for your PC.
Alright! Will do. I'll post here before I muck around with anything. I've done my own electrical before but I don't *really* know what I'm doing, so I like to quadruple check before messing with anything.
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From what I read It runs 13 amps or maybe 13.5 can't remember. I went on amazon and that's what it said. Anyway, it should say amps on the PC somewhere. Don't check your stovetop PC it won't say. I just checked my stovetop PC and nothing about amps!!
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You can check my 55-gallon steamer tek. It will help you install a new outlet. If you are going to install one that is.
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What a bargain.
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SHROOMSISAY01 said: From what I read It runs 13 amps or maybe 13.5 can't remember. I went on amazon and that's what it said. Anyway, it should say amps on the PC somewhere. Don't check your stovetop PC it won't say. I just checked my stovetop PC and nothing about amps!!
Half as much for the 240v model. The elements are 1650w on both so the one getting 240v uses half the amps. 6.75 but the site calls it 6.8. wonder how your 240v models even ended up in America.
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Re: 240v 75x AA in the US? [Re: bodhisatta]
#26453706 - 01/26/20 02:55 PM (4 years, 3 days ago) |
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I got an idea. Save yourself the trouble of installing the outlet. Sell it to me and you will get 4 times what you are paying for it.
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Our 240v is two 120 conductors. The euro AA made for a single 240v service not two lines of 120v in counter-phase. I think you actually may need a step up transformer rather than a 240v service since you cant tie the two 120 lines to one conductor in the plug. American 240 is +120 0 -120 vs being +240 0.
Maybe on the euro plug which is expecting +240 and neutral 0 you could put +120 to the hot -120 to the neutral? And skip wiring a neutral all together since a double pole is counter phased wouldn't need it with just one appliance on the circuit. Idk sounds sketch
At least that's my thinking
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Re: 240v 75x AA in the US? [Re: bodhisatta]
#26453889 - 01/26/20 05:11 PM (4 years, 3 days ago) |
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Eesh, that sounds a lot more complicated than I was expecting! At $20 for the unit its a good deal no matter how I look at it, so I'm hoping I can figure out some not-sketchy way to make it work for me.
Maybe I could swap out the 240v control box for a 120v box? And swap out the element if necessary? All American has a pretty extensive parts page, but I don't know if it would be as easy as that.
AA Parts Page: http://www.allamericancanner.com/All-American-Sterlizer-Parts.htm
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Edited by PitcherCrab (01/26/20 07:22 PM)
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I would assume it has a factory USA plug on it. If so just run an outlet. If it has an EU plug on it then I don't know. I know nothing about their electricity.
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It absolutely has the EU plug they don't make a 240v domestic model. The site says their 240v model is euro made and not for sale in the states
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Re: 240v 75x AA in the US? [Re: bodhisatta]
#26456025 - 01/27/20 09:02 PM (4 years, 2 days ago) |
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It looks like a USA plug to me!! Like I said I will buy it. But he is right they say the 240 is only made to be used in the EU. So it looks like someone put a US plug on it. Which may have harmed the unit.
Edited by SHROOMSISAY01 (01/28/20 12:38 AM)
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Id just call and ask there's got to be a reason why they say ***240V Sterilizers are not meant for use in the USA or Canada*** Despite 240 v hook-ups being a thing in the states especially for big appliances. I have 240v in my kitchen
In america our 240v is double pole its really -120 and +120 alternating
In Eurozone its +240 on hot and then neutral. Like our 120 is.
So the appliances for euroland can be made with smaller conductors on neutral (probably not code anyway for CE or UL for that matter) Theoretically if used in America on two conductor 240v it would fry the wiring on neutral. But i doubt an AA is made like that
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WAFCO has parts for everything they make. I bet if you drop them a line, tell them what you have, and that you're handy with a screwdriver, they will tell you what you need to make it work.
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Ok! Thanks everyone for your input! I'm going to go ahead and buy it and give WAFCO a call to figure out what I'll need to do. I'll keep this thread updated with what I find out.
SHROOMSISAY01, if I deem it too much trouble to modify to use myself I'll hit you up.
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Edited by PitcherCrab (01/28/20 08:44 AM)
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I hope you get it up and running for yourself! But if you don't want to deal with it? Yea hit me up we will work something out. I have a 23 quart presto hooked up to a PID that actually does the same thing as the all American. If you still want a PC maybe we can work out a trade. Or I can still pay you for it. Anyway, this is what I have the box actually has 2 PIDS in it. 1 runs my 55-gallon steamer and the other the PC. I would 3D print you a box for the PID controller. So there would only be one PID in the controller box and be less than 1/2 the size. It would be plug & play when you get it. But you would still need a 240V outlet...
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Just wondering if you bought the PC and if you got it working?
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Yup, I got it! But I haven't had time to do anything with it yet... I'll post when I do!
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Couldn't you just get a step up converter off Amazon or eBay to convert the voltage? Then you can plug it in where ever.
You'd just need to make sure that you get one that can handle the wattage and the correct phase though.
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Re: 240v 75x AA in the US? [Re: migraineur]
#26480553 - 02/11/20 03:53 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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migraineur said: Couldn't you just get a step up converter off Amazon or eBay to convert the voltage? Then you can plug it in where ever.
You'd just need to make sure that you get one that can handle the wattage and the correct phase though.
If you read earlier in the post The EU's electric runs differently. USA electric's 240V runs 120V on each terminal out of phase. The EU does not. A little research and it can be done. I would just make sure it is right or he could possibly burn it up.
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How does PID controller work with electric stove that can be either ON or OFF?
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Re: 240v 75x AA in the US? [Re: bogdancev]
#26509370 - 02/29/20 08:07 AM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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It controls the on and off  And does it better than a thermostat would
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Re: 240v 75x AA in the US? [Re: bogdancev]
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bogdancev said: How does PID controller work with electric stove that can be either ON or OFF?
The PID only controls one burner not the whole stove see pics...


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