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Panaeolus Cyanescens I.D. Request
#26449213 - 01/24/20 01:41 AM (4 years, 5 days ago) |
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Hey again all South-East Queenslander here
First time finding what i think is Panaeolus Cyanescens  Went out in the fields yesterday and today to feed the cows some citrus fruit peels (they LOVE the stuff! ). Wasn't expecting to find anything since it hasn't really rained for over a week and it's very dry but after looking around a bit i found what i think are blue meanies  Other than an I.D. request, i have a few questions. Is it normal for Pan. cyans to pop up a week or so after rain and the Cubensis flush??
Akso do any other Panaeolus species that grow in cow poo change color when damaged? Half of what what I've found very distinctly bruises blue but the others have bruised black... Is that just because so much blue bruising looks black? This is everything i brought home. I left a lot behind and wasn't even looking very hard. I just found out that these are mostly semi-immature specimens so I'm glad i left lots behind. If these are Pan. cyans I'll probably go grab some more tomorrow when there a bit more grown. There were lots of pins as well! Like 3 pins for ever 2 grown mushrooms 
Cap: white and goldish (some have a cracked look to them)
Stem: Some white other white near the cap and brownish near the base.
Gills: Dark greyish black
Bruising: some blue and some black
Spores: Black (from what was on the grass under the caps) no spore print yet.
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Re: Panaeolus Cyanescens I.D. Request [Re: Myceliverse]
#26449266 - 01/24/20 03:02 AM (4 years, 5 days ago) |
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All are definitely Panaeolus, and most if not all are P. cyanescens. Nice find.
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Re: Panaeolus Cyanescens I.D. Request [Re: Anglerfish]
#26449271 - 01/24/20 03:12 AM (4 years, 5 days ago) |
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Thanks mate, much appreciated! 
Could you point out the ones that you think might not be cyans? I still have them all layed out how they are in the pictures.
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Re: Panaeolus Cyanescens I.D. Request [Re: Myceliverse]
#26449274 - 01/24/20 03:36 AM (4 years, 5 days ago) |
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Myceliverse said: Could you point out the ones that you think might not be cyans? I still have them all layed out how they are in the pictures.
Nah, looking closer I think they all are P. cyanescens.
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Re: Panaeolus Cyanescens I.D. Request [Re: Anglerfish]
#26449299 - 01/24/20 04:30 AM (4 years, 5 days ago) |
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Anglerfish said:
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Myceliverse said: Could you point out the ones that you think might not be cyans? I still have them all layed out how they are in the pictures.
Nah, looking closer I think they all are P. cyanescens.
Thanks for double checking  As far as I know there aren't any Panaeolus species that are poisonous but even if that is true, the thought of eating an unknown mushroom is freaky to say the least..
I've second guessed my identifications of Cubensis in the middle of a trip before and they're easy to I.D.! I was 100% sure they were cubensis before the trip but then my mind started messing with me.. 'did it actually turn blue?' 'Wait what is blue?!' 'How could I have known if I don't know what blue is??' 'Was that actually poo it grew from?? I didn't see where it came from!!!'
 Any real doubt in an I.D. for me is a no go. Tripped thoughts, i can handle. Lol
Anyways, i convinced myself that I was fine but I still had some interesting introspection about my potential impending death hahah
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Edited by Myceliverse (01/24/20 04:32 AM)
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Re: Panaeolus Cyanescens I.D. Request [Re: Myceliverse]
#26449311 - 01/24/20 04:49 AM (4 years, 5 days ago) |
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Myceliverse said: As far as I know there aren't any Panaeolus species that are poisonous but even if that is true, the thought of eating an unknown mushroom is freaky to say the least..
That's right - no toxic Panaeolus species are known to exist, neither are there any known species with black spore prints that are toxic. There aren't even any gilled mushrooms growing on dung that are known to be toxic, as far as I know, maybe with exception of certain species of Agaricus that might grow on compost, but not on dung as such. Then again, you surely won't mistake an Agaricus for Panaeolus.
All in all, with some basic knowledge, it is pretty easy to avoid being poisoned by mushrooms. The most toxic ones are in genera that don't really resemble any common psychoactive species. I'm inclined to believe that the majority of mushroom poisonings are due to either carelessness or misinformation, and most cases are related to people hunting for edible species, not hallucinogenic ones.
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Re: Panaeolus Cyanescens I.D. Request [Re: Myceliverse]
#26449313 - 01/24/20 04:50 AM (4 years, 5 days ago) |
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I dont see anything non panaeolous, all look to have the black/blue bruising, like on the cut cap. Thats a good shot.
Angler, found a Psathyrella, it's in my posts if youd like to look, isn't psath just a cold weather pan though?
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K3yBoardC0WBoy said: isn't psath just a cold weather pan though?
No, Psathyrella and Panaeolus, although sometimes similar in appearance, are not related as such.
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