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Re: My lab was raided, 7 charges, 90 years, 300k dollar fine. RUFDRAF [Re: SpicyWizard] * 1
    #26451089 - 01/25/20 02:00 AM (4 years, 4 days ago)

Holy damn, OP! Hope all is ok with you and yours. Digesting this entire thread with my :coffee: right now.


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Re: My lab was raided, 7 charges, 90 years, 300k dollar fine. RUFDRAF [Re: Loaded Shaman]
    #26451738 - 01/25/20 11:54 AM (4 years, 4 days ago)

Yea that sucks, and I understand the xanax part and doing dumb shit but yikes, this was asking for it.  This is a "What not to do" if you want to sell drugs :facepalm:


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Re: My lab was raided, 7 charges, 90 years, 300k dollar fine. RUFDRAF [Re: PreparationH]
    #26451908 - 01/25/20 01:39 PM (4 years, 4 days ago)

Hey c'mon  man he was doing pretty good for a guy in his early 20's


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Re: My lab was raided, 7 charges, 90 years, 300k dollar fine. RUFDRAF [Re: SpicyWizard]
    #26451920 - 01/25/20 01:44 PM (4 years, 4 days ago)

unless ur the dea looking for an easy come up


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Re: My lab was raided, 7 charges, 90 years, 300k dollar fine. RUFDRAF [Re: ichugwindex]
    #26452018 - 01/25/20 02:36 PM (4 years, 4 days ago)

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Hey c'mon  man he was doing pretty good for a guy in his early 20's




....seriously?
Using that logic Pablo Escobar was running laps around this guy.


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Re: My lab was raided, 7 charges, 90 years, 300k dollar fine. RUFDRAF [Re: PreparationH] * 1
    #26452036 - 01/25/20 02:46 PM (4 years, 4 days ago)

Felony quantity of lsd, dmt, mushrooms, ketamine, marijuana, and dmt precursor.

Misdemeanor possession of xanax, and everything else that op didn't mention directly, considering that there was not a legitimate prescription for anything mentioned, including the weed and ketamine. Plus paraphernalia... Dmt pipes, weed pipes, shit maybe even test kit reagents. Fent tests are a Felony in some states...

Felony operation of a national level drug distribution network, a dmt extraction ( lab, although I don't personally call extraction a lab...), a mushroom grow(lab), a motor vehicle speeding while intoxicated( I mean that's if they considered it a fleeing the officers), a marijuana grow operation, and I'm guessing that there was a large amount of money seized which by the ledger was directly attributed to the drugs.

Oh yeah, Felony conspiracy to use the mhrb to manufacture more dmt. Conspiracy to distribute the drugs they found, pending the raid, conspiracy to commit mail fraud in the federal postal system. Conspiracy to manufacture more mushrooms and (I'm honesty guessing that the weed wasn't legal) conspiracy to manufacture more marijuana. Thinking about it, it would be worse in a legal sense nd op to have a license for the weed, and growing too much/ selling/ etc....

No mention of weapon possession, but I am going to guess that means that the weapons I'm had were registered with the state.

The property would have been seized, being a multi functional drug lab, grow site, distribution center. As well as the car, which although I'm guessing that both were fully paid for and owned by the op.  They would have warrants to look at op's tax records, earnings, job and all taxable income.  Without the records of income for the property, moreover the car, those would be taken.

In a full warranted dea search, where it's known that was virgin electronic distribution network... There wouldn't be a phone, computer, or use storage left.

No mention of money laundering. So bank accounts raided...

I'm wondering when op got a lawyer. If it was pre-existing before the raid, or if there was a sloppy acquired representation after they put a hold on his accounts and took his known cash. 

How the Fuck were the feds not involved with the case? Given the volume of this, the local state dea would have been getting Intel from other states, considering the national distribution. Which also gives rise to the Felony of using USPS to ship illegal drugs. And probably drug money.





There's waaaaay more to what happened than op had shared. Understandable, but I'm going to bark the already existing sentiment that op rolled out more than was in that ledger. Obviously they already had the names of clients and anyone who op had worked with directly. Friends, family, associates. unless finding  a personal record of these people was a complete lie.

Op ratted every one in the "ledger" as leverage or on bigger fish above him. Clearly the lsd is the biggest thing to go after. A link to taking down someone who is closer to the acid chemist is worth a lot more than custy. Especially since the majority of the drugs were traced to op as the manufacturer.

Like you don't go from a 90year sentence to a 1year plus three of probation.

Not without leverage on bigger fish. A great lawyer can only get so much thrown out and reduced with such substantial evidence.

If op had a 5-10 year, maybe... Maybe stayed quiet. But 1year. Dawg I respect you managed to run an empire that fast and helped a bunch of people. I respect that work out into pulling it off that's beautiful dmt, with quantity like that, you could have easily been growing large clear crystal cubes of pure dmt.

You were running a basic a/b extraction, but not refining the product. Either for weight, or that means you probably aren't a chemist. Same with the mushrooms, I mean clearly you had the funds and weight to make stable concentrate. But not the skill, or you wanted the weight, also same for the weed. You managed to get a sterile environment for monotubs, but not for chemistry. So that means you aren't a catch to the dea as a chemist, but as a successful small scale producer/distributor. Open shut case.






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Your connections are why you aren't in federal prison. You are a marked man. You are being watched.


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Re: My lab was raided, 7 charges, 90 years, 300k dollar fine. RUFDRAF [Re: Salomon] * 2
    #26452044 - 01/25/20 02:52 PM (4 years, 4 days ago)

I cringe at everyone calling a shabby room used to grow mushrooms and extract DMT a lab. Just go visit the Chemistry/Pharmacology subforum, people around here couldn't properly push electrons if their life depended on it.
Sasha Shulgin is rolling in his grave.


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Re: My lab was raided, 7 charges, 90 years, 300k dollar fine. RUFDRAF [Re: BayerPhi] * 1
    #26452055 - 01/25/20 02:56 PM (4 years, 4 days ago)

I disagree. Theres definitely an art to extracting DMT to a clean crystal. Its not as easy as you would think.


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Re: My lab was raided, 7 charges, 90 years, 300k dollar fine. RUFDRAF [Re: BayerPhi]
    #26452080 - 01/25/20 03:09 PM (4 years, 4 days ago)

Quote:

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I cringe at everyone calling a shabby room used to grow mushrooms and extract DMT a lab. Just go visit the Chemistry/Pharmacology subforum, people around here couldn't properly push electrons if their life depended on it.
Sasha Shulgin is rolling in his grave.



Man, I myself don't consider that a lab. I even said that lol.

I'm saying that the potential for a lab was so high. He could have been turning his extracts and grows into high purity crystal, removing biomass and realistically started synthesizing other psyches. But there was no lab.

Just in the subject...  How successful can one be at isolation of 98% dmt from an initial a/b product, then re-crystallization in a sterile oxygen free, temperature, light, pressure controlled environment, and containment of dmt cubes without oxidation..... Can you be without glassware and lab equipment?

The dea considers it to be a lab. I do not.


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Re: My lab was raided, 7 charges, 90 years, 300k dollar fine. RUFDRAF [Re: LogicaL Chaos] * 2
    #26452081 - 01/25/20 03:10 PM (4 years, 4 days ago)

I don't concur. A/B extractions are what we teach young adults with under developed PFCs in O-chem 101.
As yields increase, purity decreases, and vice versa.
If someone knows why, only then will I take them seriously--If they know column chromatography, I will :pm: them and talk to them.


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Re: My lab was raided, 7 charges, 90 years, 300k dollar fine. RUFDRAF [Re: BayerPhi]
    #26452084 - 01/25/20 03:12 PM (4 years, 4 days ago)

Very interesting :strokebeard:

Its too bad the DEA doesn't have that way of thinking. Would make DMT mass extractors a much safer past-time.


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Re: My lab was raided, 7 charges, 90 years, 300k dollar fine. RUFDRAF [Re: Salomon] * 2
    #26452088 - 01/25/20 03:14 PM (4 years, 4 days ago)

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BayerPhi said:
I cringe at everyone calling a shabby room used to grow mushrooms and extract DMT a lab. Just go visit the Chemistry/Pharmacology subforum, people around here couldn't properly push electrons if their life depended on it.
Sasha Shulgin is rolling in his grave.



Man, I myself don't consider that a lab. I even said that lol.

I'm saying that the potential for a lab was so high. He could have been turning his extracts and grows into high purity crystal, removing biomass and realistically started synthesizing other psyches. But there was no lab.

The dea considers it to be a lab. I do not.




Oh, I was just talking out loud like a radio. Not directly to you.


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Just in the subject...  How successful can one be at isolation of 98% dmt from n initial a/b product, then re-crystallization in a sterile oxygen free, temperature, light, pressure, and containment of dmt cubes.... Can you be without glassware and lab equipment?




You can extract really dirty garbage, as long as you're ok with washing the salt-form of the molecule with the appropriate solvents to remove the impurities. One can run it through a column of silica, you can purify anything to very high purity this way though it is a very annoying and time consuming method.

Yields must decrease as purity increases because one is removing the unwanted material from the desired material. I can show you via math if you'd like?


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Re: My lab was raided, 7 charges, 90 years, 300k dollar fine. RUFDRAF [Re: BayerPhi]
    #26452090 - 01/25/20 03:17 PM (4 years, 4 days ago)

Can silica be used to remove impurities from other drugs like cocaine?


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Re: My lab was raided, 7 charges, 90 years, 300k dollar fine. RUFDRAF [Re: LogicaL Chaos] * 1
    #26452093 - 01/25/20 03:19 PM (4 years, 4 days ago)

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Can silica be used to remove impurities from other drugs like cocaine?




Yep!!
Google: Solid Phase Extraction Applications - Guide and Bibliography.


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Re: My lab was raided, 7 charges, 90 years, 300k dollar fine. RUFDRAF [Re: BayerPhi] * 2
    #26452102 - 01/25/20 03:28 PM (4 years, 4 days ago)

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BayerPhi said:
I don't concur. A/B extractions are what we teach young adults with under developed PFCs in O-chem 101.
As yields increase, purity decreases, and vice versa.
If someone knows why, only then will I take them seriously--If they know column chromatography, I will :pm: them and talk to them.



High yeild, more diverse alkaloid spectrum, solvent and biomass impurities.
High purity, more loss to waste of removal of impurities from the high yeild.
Advanced crystallization lowers weight, due to the lack of space between the molecular structures, No weight from oxygen, or any other impurities. Isn't that the whole point of electron spectroscopy?

Oh and  column chromatography would just be the middle man between the high yield and the high purity, amirite?


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Re: My lab was raided, 7 charges, 90 years, 300k dollar fine. RUFDRAF [Re: Salomon]
    #26452104 - 01/25/20 03:30 PM (4 years, 4 days ago)

Lol you said it while I was typing


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Re: My lab was raided, 7 charges, 90 years, 300k dollar fine. RUFDRAF [Re: Salomon] * 2
    #26452165 - 01/25/20 04:09 PM (4 years, 4 days ago)

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High yield, more diverse alkaloid spectrum, solvent and biomass impurities.
High purity, more loss to waste of removal of impurities from the high yield.
Advanced crystallization lowers weight, due to the lack of space between the molecular structures, No weight from oxygen, or any other impurities.





:raisemyglass:

Oxygen doesn't necessarily affect the purity unless dealing with a compound that easily oxidizes in air.

You want to recrystallize very very slowly. Molecules are kind of racist, they really only like to stick to themselves, but when rushed they'll crystallize around the junk in solution capturing it within their crystal lattice structure. Sometimes if there is an open functional group on the molecule that has electrons to share, that can also contribute to the molecule binding to unexpected stuff making all kinds of weird compounds.

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Isn't that the whole point of electron spectroscopy?




I think you mean X-ray crystallography, because I'm reading transmission electron spectroscopy (TEM; there's also SEM too), which shoots electrons at something and reflects them back for you to see on a very small level.

But yes, that's the point of X-ray crystallography is to study the structure and make-up of whatever they crystallized.

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Oh and  column chromatography would just be the middle man between the high yield and the high purity, amirite?




Yep, there's also TLC, Gas chromatography, HPLC, etc.
TLC and Column chromatography are the only two the common man is capable of doing at home. It works via the interactions between the sorbent (silica, C18, C8, Alumina, DNPH-silica, etc.,) the solvent (Polar or Non-Polar, Aprotic or Protic,) and the dipole-dipole/Van der Waals forces between the constituent in question, the sorbent, and solvent that move it through the column.

Analytical chemists literally studied the shit out of this sort of thing because they're anal. When you say 99% pure to them, you best damn make sure it's 99% pure or they will jump your shit and call your mom ugly names.


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Re: My lab was raided, 7 charges, 90 years, 300k dollar fine. RUFDRAF [Re: Salomon]
    #26452168 - 01/25/20 04:10 PM (4 years, 4 days ago)

yall acting like crystallization dont do nuffin


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Re: My lab was raided, 7 charges, 90 years, 300k dollar fine. RUFDRAF [Re: cannabinated]
    #26452169 - 01/25/20 04:11 PM (4 years, 4 days ago)

using a column is low yield high purity


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Re: My lab was raided, 7 charges, 90 years, 300k dollar fine. RUFDRAF [Re: cannabinated] * 3
    #26452198 - 01/25/20 04:34 PM (4 years, 4 days ago)

Omg i remember this user,

He was posting pics of dmt extractions in giant buckets I think they were 10kg or 100kg runs :deemsters:

Ppl were giving him mad shit in the thread in TPE


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