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Spawning Right to FC how should lid be?
    #26447433 - 01/23/20 12:19 AM (4 years, 6 days ago)

So tomorrow morning I am going to spawn 2 monotubs with 4 quart jars of wbs to damien's coir tek.

In the beginning I was going to duct tape holes and cover in bag.

Learned since my jars were colonizing just to go to fruiting conditions.

So I will remove duct tape and put microspore tape on holes. One layer on top two layers on bottom.

How should I attach my clear lid to the tub?  Tightly or loosely on?
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Re: Spawning Right to FC how should lid be? [Re: zenarrow]
    #26447473 - 01/23/20 01:05 AM (4 years, 6 days ago)

Just put it on and clip the handles shut like you normally would. Those holes look a little small though.


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Re: Spawning Right to FC how should lid be? [Re: SFS96]
    #26447516 - 01/23/20 01:53 AM (4 years, 6 days ago)

Ok, I used a one inch hole saw.

Should I maybe put in another each side and a third hole on the top?


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Re: Spawning Right to FC how should lid be? [Re: zenarrow]
    #26447594 - 01/23/20 04:02 AM (4 years, 6 days ago)

i think it would be less complicated just making the holes a bit bigger.. I use a heated blade and cuts like butter if red hot haha..

Also the black tape on the bottom of the tub won't really help for side pins it's best to use plastic as it shrinks with the substrate..
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Re: Spawning Right to FC how should lid be? [Re: Mr Solo Dolo]
    #26447617 - 01/23/20 04:29 AM (4 years, 6 days ago)

Thank you,  will make holes bigger.
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Re: Spawning Right to FC how should lid be? [Re: zenarrow]
    #26447660 - 01/23/20 05:50 AM (4 years, 6 days ago)

Also, having the tape inside the tub, it's gonna get nasty, gonna be in constant contact with moisture, and will get mold growth. Also makes it difficult to wipe / disinfect after each round. I would try to remove it asap. For those that use tape, it's on the exterior.


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Re: Spawning Right to FC how should lid be? [Re: Tstone]
    #26447700 - 01/23/20 06:41 AM (4 years, 6 days ago)

1 inch holes will work just fine.
If they need more FAE you can always remove layers of micropore tape :thumbup:


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Re: Spawning Right to FC how should lid be? [Re: ComebackKid]
    #26448121 - 01/23/20 12:28 PM (4 years, 6 days ago)

Great point ComebackKid..
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Re: Spawning Right to FC how should lid be? [Re: Mr Solo Dolo]
    #26451975 - 01/25/20 02:03 PM (4 years, 4 days ago)

Crap, I didn't read back on this thread about the tape.

I put everything in last night.

So hopefully it will do fine this time, I will remove it after I am done with it this time.

So much to learn,  hard curve....

So hopefully it will alright this time. 😭😭


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Re: Spawning Right to FC how should lid be? [Re: zenarrow]
    #26451992 - 01/25/20 02:16 PM (4 years, 4 days ago)

Comeback kid and SFS are the leading authorities in this thread, but....

Pastywhyte has an amazing tub design with extremely small 1/4 inch holes, and I personally don’t mod my tubs at all.

Obviously you should always follow the teks exactly, but I’ve had amazing success with completely unmodded tubs. 4qts of spawn will create its own heat and convection currents, meaning air will circulate on its own and a cracked lid on a mono  will suffice for FAE

standard monotub design works great also, just far less effort with unmodded tubs. Shoeboxes work even better unmodded. Check my gallery for results.


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Re: Spawning Right to FC how should lid be? [Re: jbgtaa]
    #26452166 - 01/25/20 04:09 PM (4 years, 4 days ago)

Don't overthink it.
Spawn, set, and forget
Mist if it looks dry
Add or remove layers of micropore tape to keep up humidity or increase FAE.

There's all kinds of ways to skin a cat. Find what works for you.

The tape in your tub is a non-issue. If your spawn is clean you dont really need to worry about bacteria.
People just generally don't put tape in their tubs anymore for side pins. It's much more effective to line your tub with a garbage bag or some sort of plastic liner :thumbup:


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Re: Spawning Right to FC how should lid be? [Re: ComebackKid]
    #26453401 - 01/26/20 11:50 AM (4 years, 3 days ago)

Sweet,  thanks everyone for the support.

It is a conundrum,  the more research I do, the more at a loss of what exactly should do. I do tend to overthink every step. I need to get outside and go jogging or something...(I wish)




So went straight to fruiting conditions.
I did make the holes a little bigger put 2 layers or micropore tape on bottom holes 1 layer on the top one.

Now when they say straight to fruiting conditions, I take that as now I have them under lighting for 12/12.

Hope that is good.

Also my little shoebox tub. I just did like 3 half pint brf cakes and then doubled the substrate.
Then put a little case with left over substrate. Same with the monotub, a little case of left over substrate.

As for the shoebox I just snapped the lid ones I did with the monotub.
Is this alright? Or should I use a plastic bag on top? I have another shoebox and I am waiting for last 2 cakes to be fully colonized.
About 80% now.

Both mono and shoebox seem to be doing good, about 36 hours out and the bits of myc seem to be recovering and reaching out quite nicely.

So my questions are:

1. shoebox,  ok to snap lid on? Or should I use a different style? Aka plastic bag on top?

2. Lighting alright right out of the gate?


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Re: Spawning Right to FC how should lid be? [Re: zenarrow]
    #26453671 - 01/26/20 02:35 PM (4 years, 3 days ago)

1. Shoebox sounds fine. In my experience, the lid can be snapped on but at some point it usually needs more FAE that's when I would start leaving it open a bit. I have an unmodified shoebox grow in my journal if you would like to take a look, had some FAE problems too

https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/26041837

2. Lighting looks good. 12 on 12 off

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Re: Spawning Right to FC how should lid be? [Re: Mr Solo Dolo]
    #26456455 - 01/28/20 08:39 AM (4 years, 1 day ago)

Ok, thank you.

Both the mono and shoebox both seem to be active and healthy thus far.
Especially the shoebox.


I put a thin layer of coir verm substrate on both boxes.
Been reading and wonder if this is necessary? Next grow should I skip the casing?
I was figuring the casing (at proper field capacity mind you) would be a source of moisture for the substrate with the spawn...? Is correct to think? Or should I ditch this step.

The shoebox is 50/50 brf cake spawn and coir/verm. It seems  to be taking off quite nicely,  except for the fact that maybe I need to crumble the cakes a little finer next time. But with such a large amount of spawn, it is colonizing fast.

Should I do a larger ratio of coir to my spawn on next shoebox? Which will be soon, again 3 brf cakes. Aslo,  no case ?

Thanks you guys are all the best.

A I plan on waiting a week to crack open the shoebox lid for fae and maybe start misting both mono and shoebox if they appear to need it.

Anything else one in my position should do? 
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Re: Spawning Right to FC how should lid be? [Re: zenarrow]
    #26456470 - 01/28/20 08:54 AM (4 years, 1 day ago)

I’ve always found adding an extra layer of coir after mixing the spawn in helps a lot. The extra protection will keep the myc from drying out if there’s too much air, and does provide extra water if you sprayed it.

An actual peat casing works well too but isn’t totally necessary.


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Re: Spawning Right to FC how should lid be? [Re: ComebackKid]
    #26458763 - 01/29/20 04:10 PM (4 years, 4 hours ago)

Quote:

ComebackKid said:
Don't overthink it.
Spawn, set, and forget
Mist if it looks dry
Add or remove layers of micropore tape to keep up humidity or increase FAE.

There's all kinds of ways to skin a cat. Find what works for you.  :thumbup:




Mr the Comeback Kid, I have read some of your other write ups and can't find the one exactly,  but you suggest misting after one week correct? Don't open tubs and introduce them to fruiting conditions right away as I have.

I feel the need to open and inspect but I will not.
But after one week to colonize then mist? Thank you


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Re: Spawning Right to FC how should lid be? [Re: zenarrow]
    #26470772 - 02/05/20 05:31 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

So, I think I introduced too much FAE too soon.
Both my monotub and shoebox started knotting although the shoebox was a little more advanced,I cracked the lid on both.

The shoebox took off and is pinning quite nicely.
Although the monotub seems still healthy and knotting good, no pins have appeared in like three days.

Last night I think I misconstrued what I was researching and took off a layer of tape on the bottom holes and opened up half of the top holes.

Should I mist and tape them back up to constrict the fae?
Or am I over thinking this....?
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Re: Spawning Right to FC how should lid be? [Re: zenarrow]
    #26470780 - 02/05/20 05:33 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

No such thing as too much air!

Sounds like everything is on track I would’ve left it as is. Just make sure it doesn’t dry out and you’ll be fine.

Idk anything about monos so I’d stick to the tek.


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Re: Spawning Right to FC how should lid be? [Re: A.k.a]
    #26470995 - 02/05/20 07:49 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

So, I put tape back on and lightly misted, very lightly as the tub had no condensation.
The substrate wasn't visibly dry per se.

Just seemed to be at same point I  decided to give it more fae.

The shoebox (1 of 2 of them, started the second one about a week after)
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Re: Spawning Right to FC how should lid be? [Re: zenarrow]
    #26471087 - 02/05/20 08:48 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

Looks good:thumbsup:


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Re: Spawning Right to FC how should lid be? [Re: herbnmyco]
    #26471094 - 02/05/20 08:54 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

Yeah really just leave it be. Tape on is better than no tape until you start to see pins. But I don't have a lot of tub work in my history either. Just Shoeboxes before they were called shoe boxes.


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Re: Spawning Right to FC how should lid be? [Re: Sockadin]
    #26472978 - 02/06/20 10:03 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

Well, I went back to the conditions I thought I was experiencing the best results before I noticed the stall.

Like I said I misted and retaped the holes, clamped the lid back down to increase humidity.

And whatdoyouknow...?

Woot Woot !!

The monotub has pinned over night and quite plentiful too.

Can't wait until tomorrow night when I get home from work to see the growth.

Am gonna wait until I have a full pin set and then unsnap the lid, also mist lightly if I think the substrate is dryish.

Here is a picture of my shoebox that has an amazing pin set, getting better every day.



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Re: Spawning Right to FC how should lid be? [Re: zenarrow]
    #26473026 - 02/06/20 10:33 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

Don’t unsnap the lid. Leave it locked and you won’t have to mist at all. Not too smart to change conditions in the middle of the Pinset. You changed one thing and they pinned “overnight”, change another thing the wrong way and you’ll fuck up your Pinset. Don’t try to be a scientist rn just let it grow. If the caps look visibly wet unsnap the lid for 12 hours and put it back on. They
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Re: Spawning Right to FC how should lid be? [Re: jbgtaa]
    #26473301 - 02/07/20 05:21 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

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Re: Spawning Right to FC how should lid be? [Re: Sockadin]
    #26473410 - 02/07/20 08:03 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

Sweet, sounds like some super good advice. Thanks!!
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Re: Spawning Right to FC how should lid be? [Re: zenarrow]
    #26483226 - 02/13/20 07:54 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

So, I think I had some pretty good success on my first bulk grow.

For 2 days I did nothing but harvest and dry. If I had let it all grow out I am positive I would have had a "full canopy" as I have heard it said.
After so much I decided to get a cheap digital scale.

On my first shoebox,  I got 10 grams dried. On my monotub from two days of harvesting I have 56 grams dried.
And my 2 shoebox is just starting to start fruiting...!! So I will add those to the total.

I am not sure about subsequent flushes. But I will do everything I know how to keep them growing.
So far 1st shoebox is pretty much stalled out after flushing. I did soak it after and then drained it. Although doesn't seem contaminated, just not doing much.

Also I think I will write a thread on extra steps I took that were useless, a waste of money and just outdated crap.

I have 10 quarts of wbs soaking, going to make a glovebox tonight and do G2G.

So adventure still is ahead. Thanks everyone for the tips, advice and encouragement.
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Re: Spawning Right to FC how should lid be? [Re: zenarrow]
    #26483420 - 02/13/20 10:14 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

Cool man and you’ll only get more next time, it’s common to pull an ounce off a shoebox first flush.

Don’t attach gloves to the box, just cut holes and stick your hands in.


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Re: Spawning Right to FC how should lid be? [Re: A.k.a]
    #26483659 - 02/13/20 12:32 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

Wow, I didn't get close to am ounce from shoebox.  But then again, just used 3 brf cakes.
I decided to do that instead of putting them in a shotgun terrarium.

Sweet about the glove box, was kinda leaning that way, but my uncertainty is at ease now. Thanks 👍👍


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Re: Spawning Right to FC how should lid be? [Re: zenarrow]
    #26483684 - 02/13/20 12:54 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

You shoebox is probably in recovery mode. Close the lid and forget about it for a few days.


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    #26484115 - 02/13/20 05:25 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

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Re: Spawning Right to FC how should lid be? [Re: zenarrow]
    #26486033 - 02/14/20 07:37 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

Sweet,  the shoebox is starting its second flush...!!
One more question please.

Monotub is pretty much done with first flush.

Should I float it for a few hours as I did the shoebox or just mist to keep surface more hydrated?

Thanks!

Strange that my 2nd shoebox is growing such large fruit compared to the other tubs.
Same ingredients as first shoebox 3 cakes and some sub.
Just had to wait a while for these cakes to fully colonize.



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