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OfflineIgloomis
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There's something different about these mushrooms * 1
    #26447044 - 01/22/20 07:29 PM (4 years, 7 days ago)

I have always believed that a cubensis is a cubensis is a cubensis, until...

I grew a batch of 2nd generation Golden Teachers from a spore print that I made from a previous batch I grew from my usual mail-order supplier (a sponsor of this forum).

My typical psilocybin experience is a pretty quick come-up, followed by a period of pretty intense anxiety, followed by a long, beautiful journey and descent. But with these there is a very slow ramp up (1 1/2 hours) followed by repeated waves of anxiety all the way through.

I shared them with two friends independently and both said "what's up with those mushrooms?" Both found them unusually challenging, even in small doses.

My son tripped on them with his girlfriend and they both had a bad experience. Hers was a full-on bad trip, the first of her life.

My son suggested that maybe the psilocybin, psilocin ratio leans heavily to psilocybin, which I guess could account for the slow uptake, but I still can't imagine what would make them universally challenging to everyone who has tried them.

Any thoughts?

I decided to set them aside and I have a new crop of B Plus growing from online-purchased spores.


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Re: There's something different about these mushrooms [Re: Igloomis]
    #26447048 - 01/22/20 07:31 PM (4 years, 7 days ago)

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In The Magical World One seeks Enlightenment and grows Wiser
In The Miraculous World One seeks nothing and grows Lighter
As we all tread the Homeward Path we will explore many Realms
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Re: There's something different about these mushrooms [Re: Eclipse3130]
    #26447206 - 01/22/20 09:17 PM (4 years, 7 days ago)

More psilocybin might make them take longer to kick in but it wouldn't really effect the trip. There are different things like baeocystin and even-they've fairly recently found out-different kinds of beta carbolines in mushrooms. If it's a chemical thing I'd say it's more likely from one of those. But they normally are more variable between species where as the ratio in one individual species is generally more consistent. At least as far as I'm aware. That's not to say it's not possible that a random batch of cubes might not have a different ratio then the norm. It's also very possible it was just something in your set and setting and then the fact that you thought they were different influenced the experience of everyone else. Psychological suggestion can effect the trip quite a lot.


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Re: There's something different about these mushrooms [Re: azramb]
    #26447250 - 01/22/20 09:48 PM (4 years, 7 days ago)

It's always a gamble. I know I've had widely different trips even from tripping with the same batch of mushrooms taken from the same flush. And sometimes I still go into it remembering my previous trips thinking it will be similiar only to find out the experience is totally different.

I believe that is the power of set & settings. And even if those are a-ok you can still have a bad or challenging trip if the mushroom decides you need to learn something. I have had mostly good trips and a handful of very challenging trips. A true terror trip is something I have not yet experienced even though I have tripped a lot. But I know that eventually it will be coming. And that's okay. In the end, there's not much I can do about it. And it seems like the challenging trips have always been the most life changing, at least for me.


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Re: There's something different about these mushrooms [Re: heavenlybliss]
    #26447755 - 01/23/20 07:34 AM (4 years, 6 days ago)

I totally agree with comments about set, setting, and suggestion.

The thing is, all of these people are experienced trippers who had reported overall very positive experiences in the past. All reported uncharacteristically difficult experiences with these mushrooms without any feedback from me about what others had said. I just shared the fruit without comment or expectation, assuming typical results.

We all used them separately in our own settings of choice and we all experienced uncharacteristically negative results. Those who used them more than once had bad experiences each time.

Of course, the mathematics of probability says that this could be a coincidence but I am inclined to believe that there really is something different about this batch. Weird.

I will share my next batch with the same people and compare the responses.


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Re: There's something different about these mushrooms [Re: Igloomis]
    #26447765 - 01/23/20 07:45 AM (4 years, 6 days ago)

Very interesting. Sounds similar to some experiences Ive had with Dealer Cubes. Perhaps Dealer Cubes are from the Golden Teacher strain :strokebeard:

I recommend trying a different strain which u are already doing. Ive never grown Golden Teachers but ive heard they are quite potent.


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Re: There's something different about these mushrooms [Re: LogicaL Chaos] * 1
    #26447906 - 01/23/20 09:58 AM (4 years, 6 days ago)

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Very interesting. Sounds similar to some experiences Ive had with Dealer Cubes. Perhaps Dealer Cubes are from the Golden Teacher strain :strokebeard:

I recommend trying a different strain which u are already doing. Ive never grown Golden Teachers but ive heard they are quite potent.



Are you in the right thread, LC lol with your dealer shroom comments :-)
My first grow was Golden Teacher; I found them racy, quite visual, speedy, loads of  goblins, and awesome music. Very easy to grow. I ve got potent 4 year old teachers still in the freezer. That said, I’ve just thrown away my entire last GT grow as after 2 failed trip attempts I’ve concluded the genetics must be weak as heck!

So I’ve just inoculated a batch of rye jars with Mazatapec spores; based on recent threads, and psilocybin’s journal write up on strains, I am ever so excited for a slightly more gentle, but also more spiritual / mystical experience.  Gosh 2 months seems ages to wait for a grow ;-)

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Re: There's something different about these mushrooms [Re: DJ Ed]
    #26448019 - 01/23/20 11:32 AM (4 years, 6 days ago)

Very curious!

Oh im definitely in the right thread, but the mystery of the Dealer Cubes is always with me. But im excited to find out they may be an isolate of Golden Teachers by the sound of the type of trips you guys have been having. I find this very cool :cool:

And enjoy those Mazatepecas. They are definitely spiritual and gentle. One of my favorite strains indeed :heart:


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Re: There's something different about these mushrooms [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
    #26448025 - 01/23/20 11:33 AM (4 years, 6 days ago)

Sound like some potent boomers


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Re: There's something different about these mushrooms [Re: SFS96] * 1
    #26448862 - 01/23/20 07:11 PM (4 years, 6 days ago)

Yeah I’m starting to see that potency can really vary that much.  Not just strain to strain, but specifically from cubensis to cubensis (cube to cube).  One cube can be so much more potent in the batch that just choosing which ones to eat is more ethereal.  And the experiences of those particular cubes can’t be replicated because they are so unique
    My guess is that those psilocybin high cube trips can really be that grueling with sharp breaking visuals which is just more like the backdrop to what is really going on


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