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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: Shroomism]
    #26447012 - 01/22/20 07:13 PM (4 years, 6 days ago)

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Climate related death, are at all time historic lows, WHILE the population has increased





Could someone explain to me why earthquakes, tsunamis, and volcanoes are considered as independent of climate
when something like a volcanic eruption has more immediate impact on climate than man-made emissions?


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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: Tantrika] * 2
    #26447029 - 01/22/20 07:20 PM (4 years, 6 days ago)



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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: Shroomism] * 1
    #26447035 - 01/22/20 07:23 PM (4 years, 6 days ago)

Tl;DR, volcanoes are just a drop in the bucket of global emissions and they haven't really changed much at all for hundreds of millions of years.


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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: Shroomism] * 2
    #26447039 - 01/22/20 07:27 PM (4 years, 6 days ago)

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http://blogs.edf.org/climate411/2007/05/21/volcanoes/




this is really interesting
but am still skeptical of the portion that states that humans have more effect than volcanoes
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On average, volcanoes spew over 130 million tons of CO2 into the atmosphere each year. That sounds like a lot, but compare it to global fossil fuel emissions: in 2005, we emitted more than 27 billion tons of CO2. Emissions from human activity are more than 200 times the emissions from volcanic activity.




and it is also interesting that they have a graph that shows my "point"


do not personally believe "climate change" to be synonymous with "global warming"
so volcanic eruption having a really pronounced downward impact on temperature is still in a seeming support of my claim
that a volcanic eruption has a more pronounced immediate impact than man-made emissions

like, global cooling trends due to human emissions may or may not happen -- but even if they do, they happen over a longer and more gradual timeline than an eruption


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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: Tantrika] * 1
    #26447053 - 01/22/20 07:34 PM (4 years, 6 days ago)

It's a more pronounced local effect, sure, but short lasted.
I think the point in the graph, is that earthquakes, tsunamis, volcanoes can't be explicitly linked to "climate change", as they have been pretty steady for millions of years.
Even if they were... they have not really increased in severity or frequency.
The point is there is no real evidence to suggest that we on the precipice of some mass extinction as a species, if we don't immediately completely restructure all of society.. that climate alarmists have been saying for 60+ years. The goalposts just keep getting shifted. "We only have 10 years left!!!!!"


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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: Tantrika]
    #26447063 - 01/22/20 07:40 PM (4 years, 6 days ago)

At some point it will become impossible to pretend GHG's can continue to be produced en masse like they are.

This thing really will be out of control at some point, with nature releasing untold amounts of methane from the melting permafrost and methyl hydrates on the seabed, and whatever else is going to go on.

What an age of denial and irresponsibility, how is it that America currently has a comical mascot for this culture as president?  Who's writing the script?

If this was a movie they cast him perfectly.  He's out there talking about clean coal and disparaging wind power, with a highly theatrical delivery and everything.  Funny voices, little sounds, animated body language.  Then he'll speak ill of the dead and start talking about how toilets don't flush the first 14 times and, well, you know how it goes.

People aren't thinking clearly.  This is the most fucked up shit that has ever taken place in the history of mankind.  The future is going to come, someday It will be 2100, 2300, 2700 etc, the future is guaranteed to arrive, you can have full confidence in that.

What do you think this place is going to be like in 100 years if we don't get our act together?  Do you think we'll even make it to 2050 without a heatwave that gets to 130F or something?  How many of you have to get scared before you open your eyes to this?

It's going to happen.  And if we ever do get into a situation where there really is massive die off, at some point we will become powerless to steward the earth.  Think of that for a dystopian future if you like movies so much. 

There is so much that needs to be done, and we have the power to do it.  We possess the capital to build a sustainable system much more in harmony with nature, and while we are at it, let's build one that's in harmony with our social nature.  It's only a matter of mobilizing the capital.  Are you going to let these clowns tell you any different?


Over the last 35 years the sun has shown a cooling trend. However global temperatures continue to increase.



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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: Shroomism]
    #26447071 - 01/22/20 07:42 PM (4 years, 6 days ago)

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It's a more pronounced local effect, sure, but short lasted.
I think the point in the graph, is that earthquakes, tsunamis, volcanoes can't be explicitly linked to "climate change", as they have been pretty steady for millions of years.
Even if they were... they have not really increased in severity or frequency.
The point is there is no real evidence to suggest that we on the precipice of some mass extinction as a species, if we don't immediately completely restructure all of society.. that climate alarmists have been saying for 60 years.




okay, that is fair
it was just my thought that if something like a volcanic eruption caused a forest fire
that burnt down a village with people in their houses
that would be a climate-related disaster to me, and the deaths would have been the result of a cascading effect on local climate circumstances
rather than from the eruption of the volcanoe itself
but, to be fair, the graph never listed volcanic deaths as high to begin with

never personally comprehended the fears of human extinction
we are good at making artificial habitats, we will outlast the mass extinction event of all the other species

hold a lot of interest in the climate effects of various natural processes tho
like the strange lake that caused an ice age
by changing the temperatures of ocean currents
before humans knew how to do more to change their climate than build a fire



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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: Tantrika]
    #26447317 - 01/22/20 10:40 PM (4 years, 6 days ago)

Releasing untold amounts of carbon, that has been locked in the earth for millions of years will undoubtedly have an impact. This planet used to have 6 foot long myriapods (bugs), because the air was more oxygen rich. CO2 gets converted into oxygen.

I'm gonna go out on a limb, and make the sort of wild, unscientific speculation that people like shroomism make on the regular. If we don't stop releasing CO2 from the earth, we're going to be living in a Tremors movie, and we're all fucked. 10 foot spiders with venomous laser beams blasting out of their assholes.

Have you ever seen starship troopers?

Yeah... That.


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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: Bigbadwooof] * 1
    #26447323 - 01/22/20 10:43 PM (4 years, 6 days ago)

i love tremors


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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: ballsalsa]
    #26447330 - 01/22/20 10:46 PM (4 years, 6 days ago)

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i love tremors




It's a classic.


What a piece of work


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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: Bigbadwooof]
    #26447338 - 01/22/20 10:55 PM (4 years, 6 days ago)

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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: Bigbadwooof]
    #26447352 - 01/22/20 11:09 PM (4 years, 6 days ago)

I like work pieces, but I shouldn't talk about them too much in here!

Were you the mod that did that ban? You could've just sent me a message. I just felt like making that post across different threads in one instant I wasn't going to keep doing it :lolsy: And second warning? Lol? The history of what you wrote all got deleted for me.


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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: twighead] * 1
    #26447380 - 01/22/20 11:38 PM (4 years, 6 days ago)

We're all learning together


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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: ballsalsa] * 1
    #26447452 - 01/23/20 12:34 AM (4 years, 6 days ago)

The Earth's climate is in a warming phase and the process appears to be strengthened by human activities. The actual global temperature trend is at the very bottom of the spread based on multiple computer models developed a while ago so I don't quite get why we keep hearing that things are worse than expected - clearly they are not. Also the positive effects of warming get de-emphasised - I personally can't wait to taste the wine made from grapes grown in Syberia! Similarly, our ability to adapt is under-appreciated by the environmentalists keen to make alarming headlines. The process is real but the gravity of the challenge it poses is not clear at this stage.


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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: Metoo]
    #26447580 - 01/23/20 03:45 AM (4 years, 6 days ago)

This has to be seen to be believed.  Donald Trump on Greta Thunberg: 'She beat me out on Time magazine'

The numbers coming out the environmental numbers are tremendous.



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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: JohnRainy]
    #26447595 - 01/23/20 04:02 AM (4 years, 6 days ago)

He just doesn’t give a shit. He has no idea climate change has nothing to do with clean air and clean water.


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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: koods]
    #26447939 - 01/23/20 10:20 AM (4 years, 6 days ago)

Flooding, clean air, clean water, that's the easier shit to fix.
I am just excited for all the bacteria that's quickly evolving from the longer higher temps and increasing rain.
Then the cool new never seen before viruses and plagues reemerging from the jungles and arctic.
We already have a staph pandemic thanks to human wisdom arrogance.
Lets not mention the genetically modified mosquitoes that were suppose to not be able to breed but instead have breed and created a more pesticide resistant super mosquitoe that still kills. ( you think they would have had controlled trials before releasing this shit into the wild ya think??) 
Good thing we are so smart that we can just throw money at shit and look the other way, preferably at a TV or cell phone. BAH!!! the next generation will take care of it. :lmafo:

Like the old saying; A business man will sell the very rope that will be used to hang him if he can make a profit.
Those in power probably know how fucked we really are and that is why there is no serious action.
Party it up, enjoy our last 40-60 years of mass agriculture and easily accessible fresh water and hope a miracle happens along the lines of rediscovering fire or penicillin.
There is always hope but I'm afraid ya just cannot fix stupid or addictive impulsive behavior.
Lets all just be comfortable, lie to our selves and stay in denial.
We Will quit tomorrow, or the next day, or the day after that till the day never comes.  :cokeitch:


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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: koods]
    #26447961 - 01/23/20 10:38 AM (4 years, 5 days ago)

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He just doesn’t give a shit. He has no idea climate change has nothing to do with clean air and clean water.




Nobody gives a shit, it's about maintaining the standard of living for today.


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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: R.I.P.Zappa] * 2
    #26448092 - 01/23/20 12:11 PM (4 years, 5 days ago)

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Flooding, clean air, clean water, that's the easier shit to fix.
I am just excited for all the bacteria that's quickly evolving from the longer higher temps and increasing rain.
Then the cool new never seen before viruses and plagues reemerging from the jungles and arctic.
We already have a staph pandemic thanks to human wisdom arrogance.




I believe the emergence of new deadly pathogens is a bigger problem than climate change and the two are not necessarily causally co-related:

https://www.wsj.com/articles/SB120778860618203531

From what I understand travel is the main vector in spreading diseases. The best current theory is that AIDS always existed in a population of monkeys in Congo and crossed to humans in 1920s without causing an outbreak. The global epidemic was started by a very sexually active gay flight attendant who jetted around the World - nothing to do with global warming.

You can bet there are other nasties lurking in the jungles of Borneo or Amazonia which will at some point become a global problem simply because these areas are not as isolated as they used to be. People will go in and out of there more in search of resources, for science, tourism etc. Growing antibiotic resistant bugs in hospitals and resthomes is another serious issue - again, nothing to do with climate change.

On a more general note - wondering why only the bad stuff but nothing good gets attributed to global warning? Like the general life expectancy increase - maybe humans live longer in warm conditions??


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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: R.I.P.Zappa] * 1
    #26448146 - 01/23/20 12:46 PM (4 years, 5 days ago)

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Those in power probably know how fucked we really are and that is why there is no serious action.
Party it up, enjoy our last 40-60 years of mass agriculture and easily accessible fresh water and hope a miracle happens along the lines of rediscovering fire or penicillin.
There is always hope but I'm afraid ya just cannot fix stupid or addictive impulsive behavior.
Lets all just be comfortable, lie to our selves and stay in denial.
We Will quit tomorrow, or the next day, or the day after that till the day never comes.  :cokeitch:



Trying to look 40-60 years into the future humanity always was on a brink of annihilation - the failed doom predictions top of the page are a nice example. I remember how in high school I did some research for a presentation and found out the World would run out of oil by 2010. The way things panned out the proven reserves were 600 billion barrels then and are 1,700 billion now. Have we had this current conversation in 1980 you could credibly scare the shit out of everyone with the end-of-oil scenario.

The ability of humans to adapt are difficult and to invent almost impossible to build into any projections. In late 19th century people thought London streets would soon clog up with horse manure and paralyse the city - there are numerous failed predictions like this. I believe the best strategy is to build wealth, robust infrastructure and flexible emergency contingencies so we can deal with any global challenges that may come - catastrophic climate change, drug-resistant bugs, asteroid strike, accidental nuclear exchange etc. Throwing all resources at preventing one particular scenario is dumb because we lack knowledge to objectively discount any of the ones listed. Climate change is top of the heap at the moment because a group of noisy activists managed to infiltrate media, schools and Hollywood not because there are no asteroids hurtling through space.


Edited by Metoo (01/23/20 12:50 PM)


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