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Compass Pathways Obtains Patent For Psilocybin Depression Treatment
    #26446313 - 01/22/20 12:44 PM (4 years, 6 days ago)

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Compass Pathways Obtains Patent For Psilocybin Depression Treatment



Mental health care company COMPASS Pathways said Monday it has received a U.S. patent for its method of treating drug-resistant depression using a psilocybin formulation.

The patent includes the use of Compass' synthesized investigational psilocybin formulation COMP360 that targets patients with treatment-resistant depression.

The company previously reported that COMP360 provoked no serious adverse events.

COMPASS is still conducting a Phase IIb clinical trial of COMP360 in treatment-resistant depression with 216 patients.

"Too many people are suffering with treatment resistant depression. We are committed to developing innovations, such as psilocybin therapy, to address this rapidly growing problem,” George Goldsmith, CEO and co-founder of Compass, said in a statement.

“Patents help ensure sustainable funding to conduct the highest quality clinical research to bring the best new therapies to patients who urgently need them. If this research demonstrates psilocybin therapy is a safe and effective option for patients, we will price it responsibly with the goal of making it as affordable and accessible as possible."


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Re: Compass Pathways Obtains Patent For Psilocybin Depression Treatment [Re: motaman]
    #26448026 - 01/23/20 11:33 AM (4 years, 5 days ago)

I don't like the sound of this....


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Re: Compass Pathways Obtains Patent For Psilocybin Depression Treatment [Re: Psicomb]
    #26448461 - 01/23/20 03:36 PM (4 years, 5 days ago)

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I don't like the sound of this....



Why, what is it that bothers you? This is wonderful news, I know what it has done to help me.


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Re: Compass Pathways Obtains Patent For Psilocybin Depression Treatment [Re: Doc9151]
    #26449682 - 01/24/20 09:59 AM (4 years, 4 days ago)

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I don't like the sound of this....



Why, what is it that bothers you? This is wonderful news, I know what it has done to help me.




I think he means it raises the question of how this patent may be protected in the future - will anyone treating depression with psilocybin be required to make payments to Compass Pathways? Or is it only people using their specific treatment protocol and proprietary formulation of psilocybin which they call COMP360?

On a more optimistic note, I do believe that the commercialization of psilocybin and other psychedelics represents great progress and a step in the right direction.  I was actually talking about this with Hamilton Morris recently and he agreed completely that commercialization will be a net benefit and that the psychedelic community should not be worried about it.  That said - someone needs to play watchdog and make sure these commercial entities don't overreach and hinder the accessibility for anyone else.


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Re: Compass Pathways Obtains Patent For Psilocybin Depression Treatment [Re: motaman]
    #26449744 - 01/24/20 10:42 AM (4 years, 4 days ago)

it is just cause for concern.  I worry about accessibility (especially for the average individual without money), insurance, monopolization of psilocybin, etc.  It seems like most valuable medicine in the western world comes at an incredible price and I would be heartbroken to see that happen to psilocybin. 

That makes me glad to hear that you believe it could be a very positive thing. I like Hamilton's input as well, he is rational when it comes to psychedelics it seems.  What exactly did you mean by net benefit?


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Re: Compass Pathways Obtains Patent For Psilocybin Depression Treatment [Re: Psicomb]
    #26450583 - 01/24/20 07:01 PM (4 years, 4 days ago)

...it's not like psilocybin is available in any form other than clandestine as is. I don't see how someone bringing a psilocybin product to market would make it less available than it is now, and like it or not getting psilocybin FDA approved as a prescription medicine is probably the best, if not only, way to legitimize it and make it available for people in any way other than the black market.

Sure it would be nice if psilocybin could be distributed like cannabis, but it ain't going to happen. Maybe, one day, mushrooms could be...but realistically the best we can hope for, for our generation, is decriminalization; and having an FDA approved psilocybin treatment protocol will not hinder that movement and may soften the publics view of psychedelics and make it more politically viable.

OTC psilocybin is not a realistic outcome.

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What exactly did you mean by net benefit?




I imagine he means a psilocybin product being provided, in any way, is better than not having said, or any, product. Not only will more people benefit from its use than who currently do, it will also change the social and political landscape and in doing so fuel activism concerning psychadelics and make their acceptance more viable.

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Or is it only people using their specific treatment protocol and proprietary formulation of psilocybin which they call COMP360?




You can not patent natural products in and of themselves, so it has to be either or both the protocol, or their formulation(if there is something special about it). Without doing any investigation I imagine its the protocol, unless they have some special delivery mechanism or method of producing the psilocybin...the question becomes how broad/vague/general the protocol/patent are and what makes their product/protocol unique and how easy/practical would it be to create a different protocol that is at least equally effective...so it could both obtain its own patent AND acquire FDA approval.

Now as I said I haven't looked into COMP360 in any way, but I have read other articles which mentioned it and the language used by the writers almost made it sound like it was an analog and not psilocybin itself...at the time(and still until I see otherwise) I thought it was bad writing and the author didn't really understand either what the product was or what the words they used implied(as I imagine they had little knowledge concerning organic chemistry or pharmacology).

Even then, it's only a concern for other pharma companies. Unless psilocybin becomes legalized in a manner that allows it to be sold as a supplement than this is the only path to commercialization because no company is going to bring it to market without some kind of patent that discourages or disallows competition.

Now it might be possible, one day far in the future, for state/local governments to regulate mushrooms in a way similar to cannabis..but neither this, nor any, patent would prevent that from occurring.


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Re: Compass Pathways Obtains Patent For Psilocybin Depression Treatment [Re: Holybullshit]
    #26453513 - 01/26/20 12:59 PM (4 years, 2 days ago)

This will work like any other pharmaceutical patent in the United States,  the patent holder will have 10years to be the sole provider of the substance, but can apply for a 10 year extension allowing them control over the medicine for at least 20 years before generics can be made by competitors.


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Re: Compass Pathways Obtains Patent For Psilocybin Depression Treatment [Re: Doc9151]
    #26454502 - 01/27/20 05:24 AM (4 years, 2 days ago)

Without reading the patent personally...I am going to say, no, it won't. The method of treatment is patented, not the molecule.

That's even what the original article states.

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...received a U.S. patent for its method of treating...depression using a psilocybin formulation.

The patent includes the use of...[emphasis added]



https://blogs.sciencemag.org/pipeline/archives/2014/04/08/can_you_patent_a_natural_product_prepare_for_a_different_answer

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Previous standards for patenting naturally occurring compounds have been tightened up...no longer is the process of isolation and purification itself seen as enough of a modification to make a case for patentability.




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Re: Compass Pathways Obtains Patent For Psilocybin Depression Treatment [Re: Holybullshit]
    #26457338 - 01/28/20 06:06 PM (4 years, 14 hours ago)

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Holybullshit said:
Without reading the patent personally...I am going to say, no, it won't. The method of treatment is patented, not the molecule.

That's even what the original article states.

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...received a U.S. patent for its method of treating...depression using a psilocybin formulation.

The patent includes the use of...[emphasis added]



https://blogs.sciencemag.org/pipeline/archives/2014/04/08/can_you_patent_a_natural_product_prepare_for_a_different_answer

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Previous standards for patenting naturally occurring compounds have been tightened up...no longer is the process of isolation and purification itself seen as enough of a modification to make a case for patentability.






What does this mean for patents that have already been issued, did I miss something?  Will they stand or be rescinded.


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Re: Compass Pathways Obtains Patent For Psilocybin Depression Treatment [Re: Doc9151]
    #26458043 - 01/29/20 06:32 AM (4 years, 1 hour ago)

Nothing, its not retroactive...and it will take years, and the setting of a lot of judicial precedent, to understand the full implications of the new guidelines. But I think most of the confusion will be centered around strands of DNA, not entire molecules.

..and to go off on a tangent, it is reasons like this that it is so bad that Trump has been allowed to pack the courts with radically right-wing and corporate friendly Judges...thanks to the GOPs blocking of Obama's appointments, leaving a large number of vacancies open. Trump has already appointed more Judges than Obama did in his entire Presidency and his appointments account for over 25% of all federal appeal court judges and over 15% of district court judges. This represents a nearly unprecedented level of influence over the judiciary by one President, certainly in the modern era, and is another indicator of just how close to Fascism we are approaching as the mis-alignment of the 3 branches grows worse and our system of checks and balances continues to fail...and unfortunately this is a problem that can not be fixed by the people and will far outlast Trump and the current incarnation of the GOP no matter how we vote in the upcoming elections.

It is scary to think Trump's picks will be deciding who/how will be controlling DNA discoveries in the future...with the precedent they set having implications far beyond their lifetimes or jurisdictions.

And as far as a method of use patent and generics are concerned...assuming Compass is acting in good faith, I don't imagine their patent is so broad that it will make it impossible for anyone else to use psilocybin for depression and shouldn't affect using it for other indications...and may not stop others from manufacturing their own psilocybin and following the exact same treatment protocol(if they pay for use of their IP), but they will be paying Compass for the protocol, not for permission to manufacture.

So what's important here is as I said, how vague/broad their patent is...such as how many dosage levels/intervals it covers an what human actions accompany it(counseling/guidance/clinical setting).



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Re: Compass Pathways Obtains Patent For Psilocybin Depression Treatment [Re: Holybullshit] * 1
    #26458137 - 01/29/20 08:10 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

Former president Obama refused to appoint the Judges, he had plenty of opportunities to appoint them but HE chose not too, so don't hate on Trump for Obama's failures, which were many.


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Re: Compass Pathways Obtains Patent For Psilocybin Depression Treatment [Re: Doc9151]
    #26459587 - 01/30/20 04:59 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

Sure there could be some shitty intentions, but who's actually going to let some patent affect their dose for depression?

The knowledge on how to grow them easily is beyond well-known now, spores and cultures are everywhere and would be spread by growers to each other even if they were outlawed, and the right person could get spores or tissue culture from bought mushrooms. Not to mention the chem guys out there who absolutely could, and would, make a point to synthesize it in mass as a response to something like a corporation monopolizing it.

Add to that the fact that absolutely no one would report it every time they intend to dose and you have what is essentially a non-issue. Sure it'd be great if legalization was easy, but when has that ever been the case?

No one loves taking legal risk as a necessity but hey, I know I'm not gonna let some bs "rules" stop me one bit from doing what I want, ESPECIALLY when it's nonviolent and/or beneficial to my mental health or just generally improves quality of life.

At a certain point you just have to tune out the rest of the world, keep your head down, and do what you feel is right regardless of law; safely.


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Re: Compass Pathways Obtains Patent For Psilocybin Depression Treatment [Re: Doc9151]
    #26460802 - 01/30/20 06:50 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

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Former president Obama refused to appoint the Judges, he had plenty of opportunities to appoint them but HE chose not too, so don't hate on Trump for Obama's failures, which were many.




Bullshit, complete and total bullshit. Are these the lies floating around the conservative infosphere? The GOP blocked his nominations every step of the way. The only time he was able to appoint judges were the first 2 years of his administration before the mid-terms...and considering he due diligence involved and the other priorities(healthcare) of that time period it would have been irresponsible to appoint judges faster than he did at the time, after that it was impossible for him to appoint judges without the GOP signing off. Sure he had plenty of "opportunities" to appoint judges, as long as they were conservative enough for the GOP to allow them and it was better to leave those seats vacant than fill them with GOP approved nominees, so he squeezed through enough moderate judges to keep the courts operating.

I am not a huge fan of Obama, I feel like he pulled a bait and switch as he campaigned as a progressive but governed as a moderate(at best)...but to deny the GOP obstructionism that hindered his administration for 6 years is insane.


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Re: Compass Pathways Obtains Patent For Psilocybin Depression Treatment [Re: JoeMama1992]
    #26460818 - 01/30/20 06:58 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

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Sure there could be some shitty intentions, but who's actually going to let some patent affect their dose for depression?

The knowledge on how to grow them easily is beyond well-known now, spores and cultures are everywhere and would be spread by growers to each other even if they were outlawed, and the right person could get spores or tissue culture from bought mushrooms. Not to mention the chem guys out there who absolutely could, and would, make a point to synthesize it in mass as a response to something like a corporation monopolizing it.

Add to that the fact that absolutely no one would report it every time they intend to dose and you have what is essentially a non-issue. Sure it'd be great if legalization was easy, but when has that ever been the case?

No one loves taking legal risk as a necessity but hey, I know I'm not gonna let some bs "rules" stop me one bit from doing what I want, ESPECIALLY when it's nonviolent and/or beneficial to my mental health or just generally improves quality of life.

At a certain point you just have to tune out the rest of the world, keep your head down, and do what you feel is right regardless of law; safely.




I agree, but I have been speaking in the context of an FDA approved and doctor prescribed form of treatment.


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Re: Compass Pathways Obtains Patent For Psilocybin Depression Treatment [Re: Holybullshit]
    #26465634 - 02/02/20 05:00 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

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Former president Obama refused to appoint the Judges, he had plenty of opportunities to appoint them but HE chose not too, so don't hate on Trump for Obama's failures, which were many.





I am not a huge fan of Obama, I feel like he pulled a bait and switch as he campaigned as a progressive but governed as a moderate(at best)...but to deny the GOP obstructionism that hindered his administration for 6 years is insane.



Is that why President Obama said in his own words that he wasn't worried about appointment of federal judges, that he would leave it to the next administration? He didn't care or he could have had it done. He was to worried about destroying the country and helping the socialist elite.


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Re: Compass Pathways Obtains Patent For Psilocybin Depression Treatment [Re: Doc9151]
    #26497199 - 02/21/20 03:34 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

How could he have done it? It requires Senate conformation. I don't know what words you are talking about, I'd like to see them, but even if he did it doesn't change anything, he HAD to leave it to the next administration because of the obstructionism, of course he's going to play it cool rather than give McConnell the satisfaction of him whining about it...the GOP controlled Senate blocked his confirmations(actually wouldn't even let them come to a vote most of the time) through nearly his entire administration, this is verifiable fact, it's not a secret or even controversial, it's just what happened.

McConnell even brags about it.

https://twitter.com/i/status/1205313262394449920

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/mitch-mcconnell-blocks-obama-laughs_n_5df32430e4b0deb78b517322?ncid=APPLENEWS00001

You keep saying "he could have had it done", I've asked "how?" and yet get no explanation...could it be you are just talking out of your ass about things you know nothing of?

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He was to worried about destroying the country and helping the socialist elite.




WTF are you even talking about?


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Re: Compass Pathways Obtains Patent For Psilocybin Depression Treatment [Re: Holybullshit] * 1
    #26498329 - 02/22/20 11:24 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

Sorry you can't accept that Obama helped foster an anti American government with an agenda that divided the people along racial lines as much as party lines. Terrorism also grew under his watch, he did absolutely nothing to help this country.

However,  under the current administration,  our military has made progress in the war on terrorism like no other previous administration has ever done and more people are working with a growing economy. That's because the current president is allowing his Generals to do their job and he is looking out for All of America, not to mention that he puts the entire U.S. first as he should,  unlike Obama and every other idiot that has sat in the white house since FDR.

I have no respect for a president that cowers and gives into a regime like that of Iran,  same thing can be said about George Bush jr bowing to the Saudi King. we can't forget about Obama conspiring on an open mic with Vladimir Putin,  Democrats like the Obama's, Clinton's, pelosi and the like are not for the American people.but for world dominance.

edit: to Answer your question of "how could he have done?" He could have made appointments to be confirmed BUT he decided not to make the appointments and to leave it to the next administration (they thought Hillary had it in the bag) so he didn't even try, he was to busy conspiring with Putin to hand crimea over to the Russians and not pressure the Russians to leave.


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Re: Compass Pathways Obtains Patent For Psilocybin Depression Treatment [Re: Doc9151]
    #26514056 - 03/03/20 07:03 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

You are blaming Obama for racism? Really?

And terrorism grew under his watch? Evidenced by what? All the terror attacks? Although I might believe this one...except it would by domestic terrorism, fueled by all the bullshit you are eating up and people's own racist beliefs.

And using diplomacy to stop countries from obtaining nuclear weapons...what a horrible president, how dare he!

Obama is the one in cahoots with Putin, you gotta be fucking kidding me?

I can't even keep going, you are out of your fucking mind. Maybe try turning off the talk radio and fox news and join the rest of us in reality one day.

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Confirmation happens before appointment...and the Judiciary committee has to approve the confirmation vote, which is then scheduled by the majority leader...McConnell wouldn't even let his nominations get that far most of the time, and Obama had more important things to do than force his nominations through the process only to be denied upon a confirmation vote. You really are clueless.


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