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Bonstrum
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#26446286 - 01/22/20 12:31 PM (4 years, 7 days ago) |
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I'm planning on using PF Tek for a first time grow with Golden Teacher.
As far as I've read, it looks like light (even a very small amount, daily) is enough to trigger pinning, among other factors.
So after the dunk 'n' roll and popping the cakes in a tub, couldn't I simply expose the box to light from the window for a small amount of time, daily?
I ask as I have read many people saying that buying a bulb is essential.
Any clarification would be appreciated.
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buying a bulb is not required. Mushrooms will grow in complete darkness however they will look kind of strange. During colonization and fruiting light is beneficial. Dial in your heat and humidity before worrying about light imo. Just set the whole thing by the window all day if its not too cold. a nice day-night cycle makes happy mushrooms.
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Thanks for the advice.
Humidity wise, I'm going to use washed perlite in a box with holes in it (drilled holes), and place the cakes on top of the perlite. I also have a heat source covered to keep it between 70 - 78.
All sound okay?
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filthyknees
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More like 70-75. Mine is set at 72°F. I use 6500k, 5200lumen LED bulbs, but if you have one tub putting it by the window is a fine idea, not just for a brief time.
Once you grow more a light is justified for sure, but in the case that you have only one tub and have a window to utilize safely I wouldn't sweat it.
But undoubtebly light helps fruit formation, if the money's no problem, I'd suggest getting an hourly timer while your shopping.
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Lights not a big trigger, seems to be mostly about how much air it gets.
Also if this is your first grow I think pf tek is much more difficult and time consuming then coir in a shoebox. Even breaking the pf Cake into coir would be much better. Fruiting cakes is way easier to mess up and you get way less, shoebox you just have to maybe mist it every couple days, and end up with 5 times more shrooms.
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Re: Lighting [Re: A.k.a] 2
#26446553 - 01/22/20 03:14 PM (4 years, 7 days ago) |
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This is a good show of what lighting can do that I saw over the last months. with inadequate lighting in the room and a window on one side of the room with one short end of the tub against a wall with tubs to it's side blocking light and the other sticking out into an isle with the window at the end. You can see the fruit formation is much different, I suspect due to uneven light. This is the only thing that makes sense to me as the pattern was regular.
This is a tub weeks later with the same genetics against the same wall/position with adequate supplemental light.

As much as I advocate for neglect style I have come around on this one.
It I'll standby my first post, if it's one tub we're talking about and you have a window, fuq it. If you feel like splurging $30 or whatever it's worth grabbing a light and timer, I wouldn't bother for one tub though.
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Well that’s not a fair comparison. The fruit in the first pic aren’t mature🤷🏻♂️
Edited by feldman114 (01/22/20 03:36 PM)
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filthyknees
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Anyone with one grow of experience can make their own inferences.
It's not as if it's hard to see, or else imagine the flattened caps. The fruits in the back are much more delayed. Look at the substrates relative to themselves.
Any one can see the fruits in the less developed side and the more mature/fully formed fruits on the side with light exposure.
No one's going to give you an exactly precises side by side dude... C'mon....
One of the vails is visibly fallen so maybe you think that's not mature but that'd mean you gotta research more, cause that's mature.
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That’s cool how tall they got, but still look different then the lack of air stretch.
Kinda makes me want to do one of these with a pin

I just have indirect light from a window for the most part and never notice anything, except one tub of gt for some reason grew at a 45 degree angle toward the window.
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Edited by A.k.a (01/22/20 04:20 PM)
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Re: Lighting [Re: A.k.a] 1
#26446730 - 01/22/20 04:33 PM (4 years, 7 days ago) |
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Here are more similar pics showing a difference in development in the same position discribed above. 100% have had this go away after adding proper lighting -- using clones.
Not doing a mic drop that's everything there is to see and know about light, I'm just adding what I've noticed in the recent past. pretty embarrassing I didn't know more sooner tbh! Not ultra clear in the second pic but look how all along the left side that would have been exposed to natural light those mushrooms happened to develop bigger and faster, and the ones that wheren't exposed seem to lack. Although this is the same clone.
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I just happened to have some blacklights and bought the T8 size white light bulb for it for 7 bucks and it works. If you dont have the blacklight fixture, then you'll spend $32 total on the setup but you get two bulbs. Use the white bulb for the grow and the black light for the trip
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Nice examples filthy. I’m convinced
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Re: Lighting [Re: A.k.a]
#26447571 - 01/23/20 03:34 AM (4 years, 6 days ago) |
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I appreciate the advice. You got a link for that coir box tek?
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I want to point out that what we are talking about is the difference between adequate lighting and natural light.. So while I get Filthy's point, lets remember that light is not a pinning trigger. It will help the mushrooms by adding fruit body development and they will always grow toward the light, but FAE and evaporation is the key pinning trigger.
Im also not sold on a heat source unless you live in temperatures that are south of 20 degrees and keep your house as cold as my beer.
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If u have access to a window with sunlight, by all means use it!
If u live somewhere where its cloudy all the time, then buy a CFL bulb in the 5000K to 6500K color range in at least 20 real watts (not equivilent watts).
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Bonstrum
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I actually have a spare coil UVA/UVB light for my turtle...would that light be too strong?
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I used a reptile light when I started. I don’t anymore. Used to see a lot of weird deformities like rosecombe etc with it. Not saying it was the cause, maybe my spawn was shittier back then. But I wouldn’t use one today if you know what I mean.
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Yeah i would avoid any specialized bulbs like that. Stick to 5000K to 6500K unless youre running some kind of mutant growing experiment.
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I use these and get great fruits
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Oh damn that’s a good price.
I just got these they’re pretty cool. Magnetic and come with little plates on stickers so you can put them anywhere, they’re rechargeable and have a motion actived mode. Plus they seem to last right around 10–12 hours before getting really dim.
I’ve been using them on my spawn jars since I didn’t have any tubs going.
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Edited by A.k.a (01/23/20 08:00 AM)
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