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OfflineKD-Grows
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Want advice on dosage and whether a trip sitter is needed
    #26446048 - 01/22/20 10:24 AM (4 years, 26 days ago)

I finally have enough mushrooms to trip after starting PF-Tek sometime in November! I've picked a total of 57g wet of cubes - mostly Golden Teacher, some B+, I didn't keep them separated this time because I only had 4 1/4-pint cakes fruiting - the rest (my 1/2 pints) are about to start pinning, I think.

Anyway, my spouse and I want to trip on Friday. I have an appointment in the morning, but other than that, the day is clear. We're going to clean the house well and remove all clutter, then make tea.

I see a lot of conflicting opinions about first time dose - some say to start under 1g, some say that small of a dose is pointless and frustrating. I've honestly been tempted to jump in to a full eighth, but the only drug I have experience with is marijuana (I'm a heavy user - one of the reasons I want to eat these mushrooms is in hopes of it helping me reduce my marijuana use). All other drug experiences have been pain killers after pretty major surgeries, which just knocked me out so I don't think that counts. My spouse has the same background.

ACTUAL QUESTIONS:
Is a 57g/2=~2.7g dry dose too much for a first trip? Should I bring that down closer to 2g for us each?
In this range, do we need a trip sitter? Is 2 people tripping together for the first time a bad idea? We could trip-sit each other, having one of us trip Friday, and the other on Sunday. We'd prefer to both do Friday before we go on a mini-vacation to a state park and then hot springs on Saturday, but though I'm very impatient to try these shrooms, I want to do it right.

Thanks for any advice!


Edited by KD-Grows (01/22/20 11:12 AM)


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Re: Want advise on dosage and whether a trip sitter is needed [Re: KD-Grows]
    #26446137 - 01/22/20 11:03 AM (4 years, 26 days ago)

I’m gonna get slated here, I reckon, but from memories of my first mushroom experience, with my ex. We took quite a bit more than 2.5g, and they were Liberty Caps which are much stronger than cubensis. The come up took us both by surprise. I was begging my ex to ring my eldest brother as “he’d know what to do!” Yeah, right, he wouldn’t have had a clue. So we did a sensible thing; put our shoes on and changed scene by going for a walk in the woods. It all calmed down and was a wonderful night.

So I’d say go for it. I reckon you’ll have less than 2 x 2.7g if they’re cracker dry. 2.5g will be perfectly manageable. CAVEAT: unless either of you are particularly sensitive to psilocin.

Get further advice from the great folks on here before you decide. Good luck in whatever you choose.

DJ Ed


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Re: Want advise on dosage and whether a trip sitter is needed [Re: DJ Ed]
    #26446156 - 01/22/20 11:20 AM (4 years, 26 days ago)

So this question is highly dependent on the potency of he mushrooms (which assuming you used a MS syringe is variable). Also, because we don't know how you or your spouse will react, if either of you are on any meds, etc, it is hard to give you a concrete answer.

However, I will say that if we were to assume your potency was "average" and evenly distributed, and that you both aren't on any medications that will interfere with the mushrooms, I would suggest 3-3.5g. That was how much I had for my first time and I glad I had a mind-blowing experience. I've experimented with all doses since and glad I didn't have a mere "2g" of average cubes experience.

Whatever you choose, I think you will have a great experience :cheers:


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Re: Want advise on dosage and whether a trip sitter is needed [Re: Socrateshroom]
    #26446160 - 01/22/20 11:22 AM (4 years, 26 days ago)

Thanks to both answers! I'm on no meds, my spouse has been tapering down on SSRIs for the last 3 weeks - he'll be done with them this Friday (his last SSRI dose will be half a pill on Thursday). So he might be a little less sensitive to them.

They were grown from MS syringes, so I expect they're average potency, but I understand it's impossible to know!


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Re: Want advise on dosage and whether a trip sitter is needed [Re: KD-Grows] * 1
    #26446174 - 01/22/20 11:30 AM (4 years, 26 days ago)

Shrooms usually are a fun time in company. You will have some weird thought leading to a lot of laughter.

But keep in mind that shroom experiences tend to get very introspective and emotionally sometimes.
Don't misinterpret the behaviour of your fellow if he gets silent and thoughtfull, it isn't because of you, and vice versa. It's just the nature of shrooms, it can happen.

Have fun.
2.7g sound perfect. That's a mid sized dose, good for beginners. Might feel weak if the shrooms are weak, but can be quite powerful if the shrooms are potent.

Keep your light dimmed and maybe watch smth funny in the beginning. Getting into the experience beeing happy and laughing sets a good time overall, usually.

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Re: Want advise on dosage and whether a trip sitter is needed [Re: KD-Grows]
    #26446209 - 01/22/20 11:53 AM (4 years, 26 days ago)

Quote:

KD-Grows said:
Thanks to both answers! I'm on no meds, my spouse has been tapering down on SSRIs for the last 3 weeks - he'll be done with them this Friday (his last SSRI dose will be half a pill on Thursday). So he might be a little less sensitive to them.

They were grown from MS syringes, so I expect they're average potency, but I understand it's impossible to know!




Ooof that sucks. He won’t feel much, if anything. But you can try again a couple months after he stops taking them.


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Re: Want advise on dosage and whether a trip sitter is needed [Re: KD-Grows]
    #26446243 - 01/22/20 12:10 PM (4 years, 26 days ago)

Well, it hasn't been asked: what are you looking for out of your experience?
A transcendental out-of-body journey that rearranges the fabric of how you perceive the world?
Or just a fun time with a nice body high, some hallucinatory effects, and a heightened intro/retrospection?

I'm not one to find any dose to be disappointing. They all have their place in different scenarios, and each one can be absolutely fantastic. It just depends on what you want to do with your time.
So, I'd recommend to just have options available.
Maybe have an activity ready like a fire or some movies to watch if the experience happens to be light and interactive.
But also have a nice cozy place prepared for either of you in case you feel like it's getting heavy and you need to be left on your own to lie down in silence and low light/darkness.
Have some snacks and refreshments available if you feel it.
Have your Spotify app open so you don't have to try to navigate your phone.
Basically, just allow yourself as least resistance to your possible impulses/desires as you can.

As far as a sitters go, I've personally only met one or two people out of dozens who get themselves into trouble when they're on psychedelics.
Most people practice far more caution and intentional action.
And, quite frankly, there is nothing that a sitter can do to bring you out of an overwhelming experience.

You'll need to find your own way with it. Individuality is prime to these experiences.


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Re: Want advise on dosage and whether a trip sitter is needed [Re: footpath]
    #26446322 - 01/22/20 12:48 PM (4 years, 26 days ago)

trip sitters are overrated

largely unnecessary...


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Re: Want advise on dosage and whether a trip sitter is needed [Re: footpath]
    #26446331 - 01/22/20 12:51 PM (4 years, 26 days ago)

Quote:

feldman114 said:
Ooof that sucks. He won’t feel much, if anything. But you can try again a couple months after he stops taking them.




My research says there's like a 50% chance he'll still feel them. It depends on the person. I guess we'll find out.

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footpath said:
Well, it hasn't been asked: what are you looking for out of your experience?
A transcendental out-of-body journey that rearranges the fabric of how you perceive the world?
Or just a fun time with a nice body high, some hallucinatory effects, and a heightened intro/retrospection?

I'm not one to find any dose to be disappointing. They all have their place in different scenarios, and each one can be absolutely fantastic. It just depends on what you want to do with your time.
So, I'd recommend to just have options available.
Maybe have an activity ready like a fire or some movies to watch if the experience happens to be light and interactive.
But also have a nice cozy place prepared for either of you in case you feel like it's getting heavy and you need to be left on your own to lie down in silence and low light/darkness.
Have some snacks and refreshments available if you feel it.
Have your Spotify app open so you don't have to try to navigate your phone.
Basically, just allow yourself as least resistance to your possible impulses/desires as you can.

As far as a sitters go, I've personally only met one or two people out of dozens who get themselves into trouble when they're on psychedelics.
Most people practice far more caution and intentional action.
And, quite frankly, there is nothing that a sitter can do to bring you out of an overwhelming experience.

You'll need to find your own way with it. Individuality is prime to these experiences.




I'm after the eventual transcendental dose, but am planning to work my way up to that over 3-5 trips in the next 2-3 months. I guess this particular time, I'm after a dose that will be fun and relatively comfortable to introduce myself to what psychedelics can do!


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Re: Want advise on dosage and whether a trip sitter is needed [Re: KD-Grows]
    #26446347 - 01/22/20 12:56 PM (4 years, 26 days ago)

Excellent.

Yeah, anything between 1.5 - 3g of normal cubes should give you a decent introduction of what they have to offer.
As others noted - there can be inconsistencies, especially when not dealing with an isolated culture. And also personal tolerance.

So your choosing ~2.7g should be quite right.

Enjoy it!
Let it take you.


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Re: Want advise on dosage and whether a trip sitter is needed [Re: footpath]
    #26446364 - 01/22/20 01:06 PM (4 years, 26 days ago)

Awesome, I can hardly wait! Consensus definitely seems to be that we'll likely be fine. Thanks for the advice everyone, and especially footpath. Those tips in your first post are gold.


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Re: Want advise on dosage and whether a trip sitter is needed [Re: KD-Grows]
    #26447055 - 01/22/20 07:35 PM (4 years, 25 days ago)

That sounds like a nice starter dose
:hypnocat:


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Re: Want advise on dosage and whether a trip sitter is needed [Re: Mr Solo Dolo]
    #26447268 - 01/22/20 09:58 PM (4 years, 25 days ago)

3.5 grams is perfect for tea, by the time I get done straining it, it is probably actually only 2.5 grams worth of anything in there anyway.

Maybe one trip while one acts as a "guide" until you figure your dose.


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Re: Want advise on dosage and whether a trip sitter is needed [Re: tramalot]
    #26447613 - 01/23/20 04:21 AM (4 years, 25 days ago)

Hope you both have an awesome time KD!

I don’t mean to hijack this thread, but would the helpful posters here mind  telling me if the dosages they suggest above would equally apply to Panaeolus cyanescen (Blue Meanies)?


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Re: Want advise on dosage and whether a trip sitter is needed [Re: Trustyrusty]
    #26447624 - 01/23/20 04:41 AM (4 years, 25 days ago)

No way, Pan cyans are a lot more potent than P.cubensis. Like 2 to 3 times more potent. 1g dry at max is more than enough for a beginner.

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Re: Want advise on dosage and whether a trip sitter is needed [Re: Trustyrusty]
    #26447928 - 01/23/20 10:11 AM (4 years, 25 days ago)

Quote:

Trustyrusty said:
Hope you both have an awesome time KD!

I don’t mean to hijack this thread, but would the helpful posters here mind  telling me if the dosages they suggest above would equally apply to Panaeolus cyanescen (Blue Meanies)?





Just as Pandemoon said. Why not check out The Shroomery Doseage Calculator

Good luck,
DJ Ed


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Re: Want advise on dosage and whether a trip sitter is needed [Re: DJ Ed]
    #26449148 - 01/23/20 11:17 PM (4 years, 24 days ago)

Have done, thanks


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Re: Want advise on dosage and whether a trip sitter is needed [Re: KD-Grows]
    #26458273 - 01/29/20 09:42 AM (4 years, 19 days ago)

Just in case someone runs into this thread in the future and wants to know how it went:

The low dose was totally fine without a trip sitter for us. After cutting off small parts of the mushroom stipes where vermiculite was embedded, we ended up with 44g wet mushrooms, so ~2.2g split in the tea. We had a lot of fun - both got very introspective at the peak, but were social for the first hour of the come-up and became social again during the come-down.

Also, while my spouse had reduced effects compared to my trip, he definitely felt their effects and ended up even working through a long-standing mental hangup. He had just completed 4 weeks of tapering off of SSRIs.

We both got some OEVs like walls breathing, I got some faint CEVs and he got none.

Super can't wait to try a ~3.5g dose, hoping my PF cakes deliver by this weekend, but definitely by next!


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Re: Want advise on dosage and whether a trip sitter is needed [Re: KD-Grows]
    #26458306 - 01/29/20 10:11 AM (4 years, 19 days ago)

:aweyeah:


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Re: Want advise on dosage and whether a trip sitter is needed [Re: footpath]
    #26458438 - 01/29/20 12:06 PM (4 years, 19 days ago)

Awesome! Thanks for the update!


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