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Amanita muscaria?
    #26443964 - 01/20/20 09:31 PM (4 years, 9 days ago)

Habitat:
Growing out of the forest floor under pine/mixed habitat. Lots of other Amanita muscarias around, just want to make sure this one is as well. San Francisco peninsula.

Gills:
Red cap, white gills. I think the white dots were knocked off by rain and the red is just fading, but want to be extra sure.

Stem:
Same as the other AMs I collected.

Cap:
6" diameter, reddish top, see pictures

Spore print color:
Didn't take it... almost positive it would have been white...

Bruising:
Didn't bruise when I cut it up

Other information:
See pictures



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Re: Amanita muscaria? [Re: mr.nicholas]
    #26444576 - 01/21/20 10:13 AM (4 years, 8 days ago)

They look like fly agaric.
But wait for a pro.

God bless the fly agaric!


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Re: Amanita muscaria? [Re: ft116]
    #26444601 - 01/21/20 10:29 AM (4 years, 8 days ago)

A. muscaria subsp. flavivolvata.

Please note that for proper identification of Amanita species you normally need to
provide at least one intact specimen with the whole stem, including the stem base, which
you need to dig carefully out of the ground.

It is worth reading the following article and key to Amanita identification:

https://www.mushroomexpert.com/amanita.html


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Re: Amanita muscaria? [Re: Anglerfish]
    #26444611 - 01/21/20 10:33 AM (4 years, 8 days ago)

Amanitacea.org is an excellent resource for information on Amanita species.  Rod Tullos is the leading expert on Amanita and heads the site.


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Re: Amanita muscaria? [Re: Doc9151]
    #26444642 - 01/21/20 10:57 AM (4 years, 8 days ago)

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Anglerfish said:
A. muscaria subsp. flavivolvata.

Please note that for proper identification of Amanita species you normally need to
provide at least one intact specimen with the whole stem, including the stem base, which
you need to dig carefully out of the ground.




Quote:

Doc9151 said:
Amanitacea.org is an excellent resource for information on Amanita species.  Rod Tullos is the leading expert on Amanita and heads the site.




Are you guys sure it’s not A. muscaria subsp. flavivolvata; sub “sp-6739469363”?

Just kidding...


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Re: Amanita muscaria? [Re: HSapiensAmericanus]
    #26444655 - 01/21/20 11:07 AM (4 years, 8 days ago)

Quote:

HSapiensAmericanus said:
Quote:

Anglerfish said:
A. muscaria subsp. flavivolvata.

Please note that for proper identification of Amanita species you normally need to
provide at least one intact specimen with the whole stem, including the stem base, which
you need to dig carefully out of the ground.




Quote:

Doc9151 said:
Amanitacea.org is an excellent resource for information on Amanita species.  Rod Tullos is the leading expert on Amanita and heads the site.




Are you guys sure it’s not A. muscaria subsp. flavivolvata; sub “sp-6739469363”?

Just kidding...



I get it, the sheer amount of variation is overwhelming at times, not to mention the frequent changes.


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Re: Amanita muscaria? [Re: Doc9151]
    #26444686 - 01/21/20 11:25 AM (4 years, 8 days ago)

Rod Tulloss, as far as I can tell, is a passionate and fastidious expert. The devotion is admirable to say the least. The minutiae of the Amanita genus is more than enough to drive one insane.


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Re: Amanita muscaria? [Re: Doc9151]
    #26444740 - 01/21/20 12:03 PM (4 years, 8 days ago)

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Doc9151 said:
Quote:

HSapiensAmericanus said:
Quote:

Anglerfish said:
A. muscaria subsp. flavivolvata.

Please note that for proper identification of Amanita species you normally need to
provide at least one intact specimen with the whole stem, including the stem base, which
you need to dig carefully out of the ground.




Quote:

Doc9151 said:
Amanitacea.org is an excellent resource for information on Amanita species.  Rod Tullos is the leading expert on Amanita and heads the site.




Are you guys sure it’s not A. muscaria subsp. flavivolvata; sub “sp-6739469363”?

Just kidding...



I get it, the sheer amount of variation is overwhelming at times, not to mention the frequent changes.




In this case it's mainly based on the fact that it is found in California.


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Re: Amanita muscaria? [Re: Anglerfish]
    #26444913 - 01/21/20 06:30 PM (4 years, 8 days ago)

Amanita muscaria ssp flavivolvata is pretty wide spread in distribution. it was once thought to be western Northern America, but its ranges have proven larger than originally thought. I was recently having a similar discussion with Else Vellinga concerning the range of this species.  Amanita muscaria var. muscaria is only found in one U.S. state and that's the state of Alaska.


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Re: Amanita muscaria? [Re: Doc9151]
    #26444930 - 01/21/20 06:37 PM (4 years, 8 days ago)

Here's an excerpt from www.amanitacea.org for Amanita muscaria ssp. flavivolvata.

Amanita muscaria subsp. flavivolvata occurs from lower altitudes in Alaska, through southwestern Canada, through the Pacific coastal regions of the US, through the Sierra Nevada and the Rocky Mountains to the "mountain islands" of the desert Southwest in the US and at least as far south as the montane oak forests of Costa Rica.  There are also significant populations in the U.S. Gulf Coast region.  Isolated occurrences of red-capped populations

have been noted as far north as Massachusetts on the U.S. Atlantic Coast.  Colombian material may have been imported with pines.  Argentine material that may be this taxon is also, clearly imported, although the symbiont is not known to me.  In Argentina, the Eurasian A. muscaria var. muscaria has also been imported, in this case, on Eucalyptus.

The species is associated primarily with oak (Quercus) and diverse conifers, but can occur with other deciduous tree genera.


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Re: Amanita muscaria? [Re: Doc9151]
    #26445120 - 01/21/20 07:57 PM (4 years, 8 days ago)

Thank you all for the help, guidance, and links to further my knowledge. Very much appreciated :smile:


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Re: Amanita muscaria? [Re: mr.nicholas]
    #26445801 - 01/22/20 08:20 AM (4 years, 7 days ago)

We are happy to help and we look forward to seeing more of your observations.


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