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Shroomhunts said: Kinda sad talking to the old people that haven't been outside in 4 months. lot of them fear for their lives.
They should be proud to sacrifice themselves for the economy and so college students can go to bars.
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Re: Viral outbreak in China [Re: koods]
#26895344 - 08/23/20 12:27 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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my grandma tells me she want to die everytime so i just said fucc it let it happen and stopped talking to her
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Re: Viral outbreak in China [Re: koods]
#26895415 - 08/23/20 01:27 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Shroomhunts said: Kinda sad talking to the old people that haven't been outside in 4 months. lot of them fear for their lives.
They should be proud to sacrifice themselves for the economy and so college students can go to bars.
But they aren't?
The young, especially women and minorities, are sacrificing their futures so that the elderly can have another year or two.
Coronavirus Layoffs Landing Hard On Minorities So Far Women Are Losing More Jobs In Coronavirus Shutdowns Loans For 1st-Time Homebuyers See Record Delinquencies
NPR, say it ain't so.
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Idk bro if you want to work there is work just most people wanna sit on their asses and collect that free money. Especially young women
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koods said:
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Shroomhunts said: Kinda sad talking to the old people that haven't been outside in 4 months. lot of them fear for their lives.
They should be proud to sacrifice themselves for the economy and so college students can go to bars.
But they aren't?
The young, especially women and minorities, are sacrificing their futures so that the elderly can have another year or two.
Coronavirus Layoffs Landing Hard On Minorities So Far Women Are Losing More Jobs In Coronavirus Shutdowns Loans For 1st-Time Homebuyers See Record Delinquencies
NPR, say it ain't so.
Yeah it’s a shame we have such incompetent leadership and a segment of the population who not only don’t give a shit, but actively undermine efforts to get life back to normal. There’s no reason we couldn’t have been like other modern nations, where people acted like adults and got their outbreaks under control.
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Re: Viral outbreak in China [Re: koods]
#26895785 - 08/23/20 06:07 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Here's another thing thats been making me wonder for months now. Was social distancing actually effective or did it just coincidentally when the virus had already spread like crazy run to its peak? I mean it seems to do the same thing everywhere its been give or take. Same timeline same trajectory draconian measures, half assed lazy American or nothing at all all same curves once the virus got in. Just seems like there's things all over the place on this nobodies connecting.
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Run its course? The virus is not even close to running its course. DC has managed to keep new infections from getting out of control and antibody testing showed a few weeks ago that only 6% of residents have had the virus. There is very high mask compliance and no bars and mostly outdoor dining. States like NJ and New York have essentially shut down community spread with science based decisions and a population that takes the risks seriously. Other states that made decisions based on magical thinking have predictably not fared as well.
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Re: Viral outbreak in China - Coronavirus Pandemic 2020 [Re: Gorlax]
#26895824 - 08/23/20 06:36 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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]Gorlax said: its probably a good thing to acquire the antibodies possibly from convalescent plasma of someone who was asymptomatic and has recovered.
what u know they already doing this
well looks like I was right on the money or the CIA is on the shroommery
Convalescent plasma therapy may be helpful for people with COVID-19 who aren't helped by other treatments. Some people with COVID-19 become very sick and don't respond to other treatments or drugs. These people often develop acute respiratory distress syndrome (ARDS) — a severe lung condition. They often require mechanical assistance, such as a ventilator, to breathe. These people also are in danger of developing organ failure.
It could also help other people who may have a higher risk of serious illness, such as people with chronic medical conditions, for example, heart disease or diabetes, or those who have weakened immune systems. Convalescent plasma could help these people from getting sicker if they get COVID-19.
Convalescent plasma might also be considered for family members or health care workers who have been exposed to someone with COVID-19 to potentially prevent them from getting COVID-19.
Doctors may choose to enroll the person with COVID-19 in an expanded access program and order convalescent plasma for him or her. This type of program provides access to investigational new drugs outside of clinical trials. This type of program is sometimes necessary when a disease is very severe or life-threatening, and there is no available treatment.
this or something that prevents the s glycoprotein from binding to the host cell. it wouldnt gain the function if it cant bind to the receptor. I think once it binds its probably a rock cascade and falls into the steps like dominos. stoping the sequence stops transmission
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Re: Viral outbreak in China [Re: koods]
#26895832 - 08/23/20 06:41 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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New York does whatever we do. Im not allowed to leave the tri state area without going into mandatory quarantine or being fined $2000. We've been on track to contain the virus since July when we peaked. We are using a tiered reopening with different levels opening up more high risk activities married to statistical case data. Im very secptical of the validity of the antibody testing especially in asymptomatic cases. I'm also very secptical about u looking at a tiny snapshot of antibody testing in DC and extrapolating that only 6% the state has had it.
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https://www.nytimes.com/2020/08/20/nyregion/nyc-coronavirus-antibody-testing.html What do you make of this koods. Funny how I didn't even have to look to know. What about the sleeper carriers koods? Why is it that everything keep coming up true when u factor that in but everything people like doctor fauci says misses the mark?
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Which point are you trying to make, chief?
Looks like a quarter of people who chose to be tested for antibodies came back with some.
My guess is that people who had been sick at some point were far more likely to go be tested
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What about the people that were asymptomatic u factor that in too? Also months ago u could have said that about the 20k test results now were getting a bigger picture and its coming back higher.
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It doesnt say how many people who sought testing had never had any symptoms though
Its a sample of 15k people. I would guess a lot em just had been sick at some point and either knew they had covid and wanted to see if they had antibodies now or had never been tested for covid. Obviously cant be sure. All we know for certain from that is like 2.5k people in nyc have antibodies. Obviously a lot more do in reality but it doesnt seem to be especially useful
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well exactly. But also to your other point asymptomatic people who are likely spreaders prob aren't running out in droves to get tested. Like i said theres alot of factors to this that I dont think people are connecting the dots on.
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Only got tested cause I was in jail. Couldn't give a rat's ass if I had it or not. Being asymptomatic just means you are healthy and your immune system took care of the infection as it should. Best thing you can do if you are worried about the virus is to get in good health. Go get exposed and you will see it ain't gonna hurt you unless you have deeper health problems like aids or lung disease.
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#26895953 - 08/23/20 08:23 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Hey man its important to panic as much as possible and over react every step of the way too.
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CHeifM4sterDiezL said: What about the people that were asymptomatic u factor that in too? Also months ago u could have said that about the 20k test results now were getting a bigger picture and its coming back higher.
Multiple large scale antibody tests in Spain and Italy found asymptomatics are 30-40% of total cases, which is actually lower than many other viral illnesses like the flu.
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Re: Viral outbreak in China [Re: koods]
#26895968 - 08/23/20 08:33 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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I've seen as high as 80% and I think that's more accurate when u account for the gaps in whats been tested and what we know so far. I think this thing is hella contagious. I mean I've seen studies this thing spreads like pink eye come on this thing is everywhere already.
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#26895982 - 08/23/20 08:40 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Shroomhunts said: Only got tested cause I was in jail. Couldn't give a rat's ass if I had it or not. Being asymptomatic just means you are healthy and your immune system took care of the infection as it should. Best thing you can do if you are worried about the virus is to get in good health. Go get exposed and you will see it ain't gonna hurt you unless you have deeper health problems like aids or lung disease.
Asymptomatic doesn’t necessarily mean your health isn’t being affected. HIV is asymptomatic for years. Many asymptomatic covid patients actually have potentially serious problems like hypoxia, myocarditis and blood clots. Asymptomatic patients have died of strokes and fatal arrhythmias.
There’s a study showing that asymptomatic patients take significantly longer to clear their infections, than people who actually feel sick and generally have an poorer immune response than symptomatic patients. It is possible that the more mild your illness, the more likely it is that you can get reinfected. If covid immunity is fleeting, the asymptomatics immunity will last the shortest amount of time.
Ironically HIV and lung diseases are not major comorbidities. High blood pressure, cardiovascular disease and obesity have the worst outcomes
I don’t understand this attitude that you don’t care if you’re infected. First off, being in good health is not a guarantee you won’t have serious problems. Second, you are contributing to the spread of a disease that does kill people and every infected person is a risk to anyone they interact with. This pandemic has certainly revealed the extent of toxic selfishness in our society.
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CHeifM4sterDiezL said: well exactly. But also to your other point asymptomatic people who are likely spreaders prob aren't running out in droves to get tested. Like i said theres alot of factors to this that I dont think people are connecting the dots on.
The Spanish study was a proper representative sampling of enough people and demographically controlled that the results can be extrapolated to the entire population. They tested random people, not people who volunteered, and asked them questions like “have you had covid symptoms.” ~30% of those that tested positive reported no symptoms. At the end of may, when their outbreak was essentially over they found 5.5% positivity nationwide and 15% in Madrid which was hit harder than almost any city in the world. This idea that we have reached herd immunity is dangerous. A huge majority of the population is still vulnerable.
Im not aware of any studies in the US structured this way. The New York study advertised on the radio to come get a free test. You cannot allow self selection in your sample group of you want to be able to extrapolate the data. It’s useless. People who are interested in getting an antibody test are far more likely to have a reason to believe they had covid.
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