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Re: Viral outbreak in China [Re: Doc9151]
    #26879932 - 08/14/20 10:38 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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I want someone to explain to me why non covid19 related deaths are being recorded as covid19 deaths if a big part of this isn't about money? Any ideas? can't say it isn't happening because it is, all over the U.S., I'm referring only to the U.S. I  don't know what they are doing in other countries but I know for a fact that its happening here in the states.

edit: I meant,  if it's not about money AND  politics





Actually there are far far more covid19 deaths not being reported as so than non covid19 deaths not being reported as not so.

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Re: Viral outbreak in China [Re: Doc9151]
    #26879976 - 08/14/20 11:15 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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I want someone to explain to me why non covid19 related deaths are being recorded as covid19 deaths if a big part of this isn't about money? Any ideas? can't say it isn't happening because it is, all over the U.S., I'm referring only to the U.S. I  don't know what they are doing in other countries but I know for a fact that its happening here in the states.

edit: I meant,  if it's not about money AND  politics


explain who you think is making money and how they are making it by recording cause of death as covid19 when it isnt covid19


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Re: Viral outbreak in China [Re: morrowasted]
    #26879978 - 08/14/20 11:17 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

I think the theory is like when you get money based on budgets. Schools spend every dime they get so next year they don't get less. Same goes for police departments and supposedly hospitals that receive funding


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Re: Viral outbreak in China [Re: Doc9151]
    #26879986 - 08/14/20 11:23 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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I want someone to explain to me why non covid19 related deaths are being recorded as covid19 deaths if a big part of this isn't about money? Any ideas? can't say it isn't happening because it is, all over the U.S., I'm referring only to the U.S. I  don't know what they are doing in other countries but I know for a fact that its happening here in the states.

edit: I meant,  if it's not about money AND  politics




Not happening



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Re: Viral outbreak in China [Re: koods]
    #26880018 - 08/14/20 11:50 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Happening.


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Re: Viral outbreak in China [Re: bodhisatta]
    #26880070 - 08/14/20 12:22 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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I think the theory is like when you get money based on budgets. Schools spend every dime they get so next year they don't get less. Same goes for police departments and supposedly hospitals that receive funding



the hospitals get money from medicare on the basis of diagnostic related group on admission, though, not cause of death


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Re: Viral outbreak in China [Re: morrowasted] * 2
    #26880074 - 08/14/20 12:28 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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edit: I meant,  if it's not about money AND  politics



if anything, the only fuckery that's afoot is the trump administration trying to manipulate the data to make his economic policies look less catastrophic by taking it out of the hands of the CDC


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Re: Viral outbreak in China [Re: Doc9151]
    #26880248 - 08/14/20 02:25 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

I work at a research facility for organ donation and we received bodies that were donated to science.

Prior to the testing being accurate enough now. The autopsy reports I read said suspected COVID-19. We then received the tests after being honestly quickly developed and had to get 2 verification to conclude it was exactly COVID-19.

To prevent people from going to funerals, protecting (us people who handled dead bodies) they were marked suspected covid-19 to prevent people from getting infected unknowingly handling the organs.

We could take a body and turn it into hundreds of allografts if that was then medically handled or implanted into someone they would likely get infected with COVID-19....

It was more be safe then sorry or get sued for allowing someone with COVID-19 to infect so many people. Not to mention coroners are probably working a 100 hours a week. They have to blow through these autospies and honestly they usually take last diagnosis and use that.

People could be shot and catch covid in the hospital.

We now have multiple tests and confirmed positives are sent straight to cremation if donated to science. I don't think there's a law to force cremation due to religion but when you donate to science the medical discard is what is cremated...which could honestly just be a torso.

I'm sure there's negligent reporting.


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Re: Viral outbreak in China [Re: Doc9151] * 2
    #26880380 - 08/14/20 04:12 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Negligent reporting cuts both ways as far as wrongfully attributing and wrongfully not attributing deaths to COVID.


Let's be objective here. It's a clusterfuck. We're not gonna have a clear view of this for years and years, and we probably won't ever be able to accurately quantify the full impact of this on people's lives. People are dying months and months later long after they recover too, I would guess covid will kill some folks decades after they got it due to permanent damage they suffered from it.


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Re: Viral outbreak in China [Re: InfiniteDreams]
    #26880401 - 08/14/20 04:25 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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Happening.




Covid deaths are significantly undercounted


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Re: Viral outbreak in China [Re: morrowasted]
    #26880419 - 08/14/20 04:39 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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I want someone to explain to me why non covid19 related deaths are being recorded as covid19 deaths if a big part of this isn't about money? Any ideas? can't say it isn't happening because it is, all over the U.S., I'm referring only to the U.S. I  don't know what they are doing in other countries but I know for a fact that its happening here in the states.

edit: I meant,  if it's not about money AND  politics


explain who you think is making money and how they are making it by recording cause of death as covid19 when it isnt covid19




Hospitals

:shrug: sorry I know you work in one


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Re: Viral outbreak in China [Re: koods] * 1
    #26880425 - 08/14/20 04:43 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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Happening.




Covid deaths are significantly undercounted




Yes and covid counters attributing to lowered lethality rates are significantly overestimated. Such as wearing masks and staying 6 feet apart. It doesn't work any better then growing uncovered shrooms with a mask on while handling shiitakes all day would. The CDC would come in with full biosuits on an episode of House Md right?

Why? Didn't they know masks and 6 feet distance is all that is required? And that is just a tv show.


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Re: Viral outbreak in China [Re: imachavel]
    #26880634 - 08/14/20 07:35 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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I want someone to explain to me why non covid19 related deaths are being recorded as covid19 deaths if a big part of this isn't about money? Any ideas? can't say it isn't happening because it is, all over the U.S., I'm referring only to the U.S. I  don't know what they are doing in other countries but I know for a fact that its happening here in the states.

edit: I meant,  if it's not about money AND  politics


explain who you think is making money and how they are making it by recording cause of death as covid19 when it isnt covid19




Hospitals

:shrug: sorry I know you work in one




You don’t make any money recording a death.


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Re: Viral outbreak in China [Re: imachavel] * 1
    #26880647 - 08/14/20 07:42 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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I want someone to explain to me why non covid19 related deaths are being recorded as covid19 deaths if a big part of this isn't about money? Any ideas? can't say it isn't happening because it is, all over the U.S., I'm referring only to the U.S. I  don't know what they are doing in other countries but I know for a fact that its happening here in the states.

edit: I meant,  if it's not about money AND  politics


explain who you think is making money and how they are making it by recording cause of death as covid19 when it isnt covid19




Hospitals

:shrug: sorry I know you work in one



Yeah no, Im totally interested. Explain to me how you imagine this happens, exactly. Who in the hospital is making money by fudging death certificates, and how are they making it? How much are they making? How much are they having to pay off the coroner?

If there is fudgy money going around, how would one go about getting in on it? In your estimation.


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Re: Viral outbreak in China [Re: morrowasted]
    #26880655 - 08/14/20 07:46 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Well duh if people knew then they wouldn't be able to get away with it :uhoh:


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Re: Viral outbreak in China [Re: bodhisatta] * 1
    #26880685 - 08/14/20 07:57 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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Well duh if people knew then they wouldn't be able to get away with it :uhoh:



In reality, hospitals are hemorrhaging money. Anyone employed by one knows it. It costs around 20,000 a week for a moderately sized facility with a known outbreak to be tested- that is just residents, not even including staff. Hospitals that normally can house 120 patients, 40 in 3 units, now only get 80 plus however many covid patients they have, which is typically not many, because they have to be on a separate unit. My sister, who is the medicare admin at a local hospital, is constantly calling me about some problem or another she is having with their director of nursing's needs to comply with county covid regulations cutting into their budget.


The hospitals are losing money, the workers are losing money, most of the doctors are losing money, the pharmaceutical companies are losing money. Everyone other than jeff bezos and crew,  I guess, is getting poorer right now, and it isnt a conspiracy. It is because a sufficiently deadly and contagious disease got out of hand too quickly


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Re: Viral outbreak in China [Re: morrowasted]
    #26880693 - 08/14/20 08:02 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Imagine thinking a hospital is making bank by charging Medicare $19,000 to treat some guy with covid for two weeks.

People have no fucking clue how any of this works


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Re: Viral outbreak in China [Re: morrowasted]
    #26880704 - 08/14/20 08:08 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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I want someone to explain to me why non covid19 related deaths are being recorded as covid19 deaths if a big part of this isn't about money? Any ideas? can't say it isn't happening because it is, all over the U.S., I'm referring only to the U.S. I  don't know what they are doing in other countries but I know for a fact that its happening here in the states.

edit: I meant,  if it's not about money AND  politics


explain who you think is making money and how they are making it by recording cause of death as covid19 when it isnt covid19




Hospitals

:shrug: sorry I know you work in one



Yeah no, Im totally interested. Explain to me how you imagine this happens, exactly. Who in the hospital is making money by fudging death certificates, and how are they making it? How much are they making? How much are they having to pay off the coroner?

If there is fudgy money going around, how would one go about getting in on it? In your estimation.




$2.2 billion in grants alone. Is that much money anymore these days?

https://www.healthcaredive.com/news/heres-how-much-for-profit-hospitals-have-received-in-covid-19-bailout-fund/578378/

Did health insurance companies stop paying out to people while covid has been active? Is that government mandated now? Far as I know healthcare companies are still profiting huge during a pandemic wether its natural or biologically engineered or not. I am the only person in the thread now saying this? Everyone else has pretended its not happening for the sake of agreement?

Oh I am sorry were you going to explain to me how many viruses in a 4 month period in time went down in lethality on a 4/1 basis? Is that why smallpox deaths went down because smallpox mutated in 4 months to a less lethal virus? Is that why bubonic plague became less lethal? Is that why HIV became less lethal? Ebola became less lethal in 4 months because it mutated?

Sorry that is all BS and no one with half a brain cell would believe that in a scenario where testing has increased by over 2000% in a 4 month time period and deaths have gone down statistically it means that that many more people have gotten it and instead of common sense telling you that more at risk people are avoiding this and less people are therefore dying that it instead means the "virus has mutated to be less lethal."

You claim to be a doctor in a hospital. Many doctors will stick a needle in someone and take their temperature and bill them $500 then claim it makes them a fucking biological expert. It fucking doesn't. You can't admit one time in 728 pages of this thread you have been wrong once. Well guess what you probably are.

You aren't saving any fucking lives by sticking to the same story and claiming its real because no one else will challenge you. Unfortunately health care is a trillion dollar industry. Unfortunately loved ones die and the family will get zip from an estate because the hospitals demands 200k for health bills and $60 a pop on an IB profin. Unfortinately an ambulance ride generally costs $950 one direction.

I have not been one of these people in the thread saying this whole pandemic thing has been a big conspiracy but I sure as fuck am not about to start bowing down to the concept that health care is big billions and pharma is big billions and in a state of economic despair in this country everyone is pretending is not happening that big money in health companies is not heavily endorsed by the government in a summer where money is not rolling in like previous summers.

Beats me why covid statistics have been exaggerated. I have read about people getting in car accidents and testing positive for covid 19 and the coroner labeling it a covid death. Fucking beats me why. Its not even the point I was making anyway but if it needs to be cleared up so be it.


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Re: Viral outbreak in China [Re: koods]
    #26880711 - 08/14/20 08:12 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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Imagine thinking a hospital is making bank by charging Medicare $19,000 to treat some guy with covid for two weeks.

People have no fucking clue how any of this works




:rolleyes: yeah a full ICU is not bank at all. Compared to other times the ICU is full when the hospital can charge 10x more what is 19k for 2 weeks? Usually its like 190k for 2 weeks so how in the universe are these guys still making money? :rolleyes: my rent is like more then 19k for 2 weeks. Also AOC needs $10 trillion over a 15 year period so people who think a few bucks here and there are making bank really need to go back to college and take some economic classes. Good lord 19k in 2 weeks unbelievable who thinks that is a lot of money


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Re: Viral outbreak in China [Re: imachavel] * 1
    #26880736 - 08/14/20 08:33 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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Oh I am sorry were you going to explain to me how many viruses in a 4 month period in time went down in lethality on a 4/1 basis? Is that why smallpox deaths went down because smallpox mutated in 4 months to a less lethal virus? Is that why bubonic plague became less lethal? Is that why HIV became less lethal? Ebola became less lethal in 4 months because it mutated?

Sorry that is all BS and no one with half a brain cell would believe that in a scenario where testing has increased by over 2000% in a 4 month time period and deaths have gone down statistically it means that that many more people have gotten it and instead of common sense telling you that more at risk people are avoiding this and less people are therefore dying that it instead means the "virus has mutated to be less lethal."




That’s how viruses tend to work....

If the host dies the virus has less places to replicate. The people that live to spread it are usually carrying a less devastating version. The people stuck in a coma can’t really spread it as effectively as the people who don’t even know they have it, it’s a numbers game


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