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Re: Viral outbreak in China [Re: Doc9151] * 1
    #26867437 - 08/06/20 10:12 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

I apologize for causing confusion by not using quotes, I was responding to several people and I should have been more clear.

To address the comments on ppe. if you think hospitals kept huge stockpiles  your wrong, they buy what they need and keep small amounts for local mass casualties and even then the resources are over taxed. The execs are more worried about their bonus and 6 plus figure salaries to worry about keeping large amounts of gear that may or may not ever be used before it degrades, nor do  they have space for such things.

I get the impression that most of you have never seen a local mass casualty event and the resources required much less on global scale. The whole world was caught with their pants down,

if blame is to be placed, blame the government that lied and hid it from the world, blaming anyone else is wrong,  it is a government that is responsible,  not the people of that nation and certainly not President Trump.

Democrats are politicizing this pandemic because they are afraid, they know that's their only hope,  is to distract people from the truth.  Why is it Democrats are so quick to burn down businesses in the very neighborhoods they say they represent? You don't see behavior like like that from Republicans although Democrats accuse them of such things. Why are people so consumed with a party names and not the best candidate? Why not ban parties and have candidate's run on their own agenda instead of the agenda of a certain few? Why are Democrats so quick to give up constitutional rights? If Democrats really cared about citizens why are they not taking action for real change like ending the drug war or mandatory minimums for simple possessions, things that really affect the people that they say that they represent? They don't care is why, because like hospitals, it's all about the bottom line


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Re: Viral outbreak in China [Re: The Blind Ass] * 1
    #26867438 - 08/06/20 10:13 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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So if a person gets the test and is positive but asymptomatic and doesn’t get anything else (ie Treatment) and returns home right afterwards... you’re telling me your hospital gets 14k just for running the test? :confused:



yes, they can receive up to 14k in federal relief money


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Re: Viral outbreak in China [Re: Doc9151] * 1
    #26867441 - 08/06/20 10:19 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

It comes out to roughly 70 billiion if each one was paid the full amount but it's up to 14k per result, depending upon how its billed and of course they wouldn't be trying to get the max on every single case, my point is that there will be more wasted money on services not provided than services provided.  I don't think I said up to 14k but stated a flat amount and I was wrong for that.

edit: If you really believe that when it comes to federal and state money fraud isn'thappening, your either crazy or living in a fantasy world. Fraud is happening everyday and it is ridiculous to think that major hospitals are not profiting from it. I will  all anyone a liar that says a hospital doesn't bill for services not provided, especially when it comes to government money


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Re: Viral outbreak in China [Re: Doc9151]
    #26867447 - 08/06/20 10:22 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

i mean im sure that they are trying to get the most finnicky tests


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Re: Viral outbreak in China [Re: cannabinated]
    #26867457 - 08/06/20 10:31 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

it kills that these guys actually are trying to say fraud isn't being committed by hospital when it's a proven fact it happens everyday. Anyone can see this, medicare and medicaid have an entire department solely for that purpose. You can even read some of the cases yourself on the justice departments website, it's not only hospitals but private practice physicians.


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Re: Viral outbreak in China [Re: Doc9151]
    #26867475 - 08/06/20 10:49 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

They aren’t saying fraud isn’t committed - they are questioning your claim that hospitals earn 14k per patient solely through testing, regardless of treatment or not.  Not having a source makes it seems like you’re just venting frustration and projecting your own bias.

I’m sure billing is being milked - but when has it not been to some extent?  That happens in medicine because those involved with it are human - if there’s more of it now bc of covid19, that’s only natural Imho.  But to make it seem like everyone is doing it everywhere and that it’s the norm- with nothing to back that but your own word...is pretty meh.

One should also know, since your an MD, that many doctors and practitioners also do the opposite of milking the billing - to help patients & their families.  And the majority of billing just gets billed as is but bent towards the higher $, that’s mostly how it’s always been for decades if not much longer.

Don’t get me wrong - I’m sure there’s a moderate uptick in the trend of the amount of hospitals doing it, especially the ones fighting a loosing battle against falling into the Red and having to shut down or lay people off.  Them, and the ones with more corrupt & immoral personnel onboard.  Those 2 categories - sure - by how much & how often & how widespread is the doing of this practiced abused?
No way to know exactly without a real investigation. 

Still, hard to believe it’s some eyes wide shut Illuminati level fiasco.  It’s people- moral & immoral- facing a pandemic in a particularly trying situation.  If there are main culprits largely responsible for allowing & promoting the abuse - and it’s trickling down from there then you should notify the proper authorities if you’re so certain as to the situation around you in your area. 


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Re: Viral outbreak in China [Re: The Blind Ass] * 4
    #26868035 - 08/07/20 10:06 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

We’re seeing children that were previously healthy, no pre-existing conditions, that were infected with COVID, didn’t get that sick....but did get blood clots & wound up having heart attacks as a result.


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Re: Viral outbreak in China [Re: Dark_Star]
    #26868047 - 08/07/20 10:14 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Let's see, there's an article in the Denver post from  April 10th,  it Clearly states that hospitals are paid 12k per covid case period,  not if they are hospilized or something similar but for being positive,  some Florida hospitals are being paid as much as $132,000 PER CASE. That's just one source.

This is not counting what the patient is billed. this is federal relief, Medicare and medicaid will still have to pay if the person has it or another form of insurance.


They are feevers was certainly saying that fraud isn't committed and went so far as to try to break down to prove his knowledge but doesn't have a clue apparently how hospitals bill for services.


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Re: Viral outbreak in China [Re: Dark_Star]
    #26868056 - 08/07/20 10:19 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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We’re seeing children that were previously healthy, no pre-existing conditions, that were infected with COVID, didn’t get that sick....but did get blood clots & wound up having heart attacks as a result.



A lot of kids that live on convenience store food don't look unhealthy, yet.


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Re: Viral outbreak in China [Re: bodhisatta]
    #26868081 - 08/07/20 10:28 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

I’m not talking about looks. I’m talking about known medical histories.


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Re: Viral outbreak in China [Re: Dark_Star] * 3
    #26868095 - 08/07/20 10:36 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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We’re seeing children that were previously healthy, no pre-existing conditions, that were infected with COVID, didn’t get that sick....but did get blood clots & wound up having heart attacks as a result.







so scary.


I'm worried enough about all the teachers.


https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/extra-credit-masks-no-mandates-their-schools-teachers-urge-students-n1235920





IMO there has to be middle ground between keeping the schools shut and letting some kids starve of wallow in really terrible situations and opening them all up for everyone with half assed measures that are basically security theater at best(if that, for some places). This dichotomy of all or nothing we insist on is absolute insanity and (more) children are going to die as a result of it.


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Re: Viral outbreak in China [Re: pirate-blues]
    #26868101 - 08/07/20 10:38 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

if they open skewls its deff gunna be higher than 300k by the end of the year


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Re: Viral outbreak in China [Re: cannabinated] * 6
    #26868130 - 08/07/20 11:02 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Jesus. How tf did we wind up with so many dumb af mods?


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Re: Viral outbreak in China [Re: Doc9151] * 1
    #26868150 - 08/07/20 11:10 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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Let's see, there's an article in the Denver post from  April 10th,  it Clearly states that hospitals are paid 12k per covid case period,  not if they are hospilized or something similar but for being positive,  some Florida hospitals are being paid as much as $132,000 PER CASE. That's just one source.

This is not counting what the patient is billed. this is federal relief, Medicare and medicaid will still have to pay if the person has it or another form of insurance.


They are feevers was certainly saying that fraud isn't committed and went so far as to try to break down to prove his knowledge but doesn't have a clue apparently how hospitals bill for services.





Why are you arguing so passionately about something when it appears you have absolutely no knowledge of the situation, or even a link to a credible source? The amounts that you're referring to are a specific provision from the CARES act. That money has absolutely nothing to do with positive coronavirus tests and doesn't factor them in at all, it pays hospitals retroactively in lump sums based upon how much in fee-for-service medicare payments they received in 2019. It was paid out in theory to help them prepare to handle the coronavirus appropriately, and keep hospitals afloat as numbers of elective surgeries and treatments that are actually profitable declined.

You are actually arguing against yourself. The distribution was given to Florida at a time when they only were having 1,000 cases a day, compared to NY's 6,000-12,000. As the amount has nothing to do with coronavirus cases, they recieved a huge amount of money (100k+) if you were to compare it to how many cases they have, which misinfo pushers had fun doing (and you apparently took the bait). States like New York, which had far more cases, only averaged about $12k per case compared to $300k in states like Montana or Wisconsin that barely even had cases, so obviously having more cases was in no way profitable. The case amount was in no way related to the amount of funds received, people just compared the two numbers later on to either push the false hoaxer narrative, or to point out that the funds weren't going to places that were getting hit the hardest, since the money, again, was not tied to the cases but to how much they billed medicare for last year.

The actual medicare COVID surcharge (20%) is tied directly to hospital admission, not testing. It only applies to medicare recipients.

And again, no one said fraud isn't committed. I said that there are so many ways for a hospital or doctor to commit fraud, that choosing this extremely risky and difficult one makes no sense, and would require large-scale cooperation by a workforce of healthcare workers who for the most part would not choose to put their licenses and even freedom on the line to pad the pockets of the hospital execs, in a scheme that in many cases would be a net negative financially anyway.


Here are a couple excerpts from the only Denver Post article I could find discussing the reimbursements, I found nothing from April 10, so I'm still waiting for your source:

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Under the CARES Act, the government will pay hospitals 20% more for Medicare patients with COVID-19.

These payments are for Medicare patients with the disease who are hospitalized, and doesn’t change based on whether someone is discharged or dies. They also do not cover those who seek medical care for the coronavirus at emergency rooms and are not admitted for hospital stays, said Julie Lonborg, senior vice president of the Colorado Hospital Association.




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Yet industry experts say that even with that increase for COVID-19 patients, Medicare reimbursements still remain well below the actual cost of care.

“The idea that hospitals and doctors are falsely inflating COVID numbers and even putting patients on ventilators to drive up their payments is not just ridiculous, but it’s insulting to the doctors who are putting their own lives at risk,” said Joe Hanel, spokesperson for the Colorado Health Institute.




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In Colorado, Medicare reimbursement typically equates to 70 cents per dollar for the cost of care provided to a patient. Under the CARES Act, the reimbursement increases to 84 cents per dollar for care for COVID-19 patients, Lonborg said.

“They definitely pay us more for these patients but we still lose money for every (Medicare) patient that we provide this care,” she said.



https://www.denverpost.com/2020/05/20/coronavirus-covid-medicare-payments-hospitals/


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Re: Viral outbreak in China [Re: feevers]
    #26868250 - 08/07/20 12:14 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Well even more bad news... I drank 2 liters of water and only 230mL went into my bladder. I just finished the antibiotics for the staph infection but I think the damage has been done. The doctor asked me if the flowmax was making me feel weird when I stood up and its like he read my mind. I'd stand up and almost black out. He switched me to a drug he said hasn't been in use in a long time..........


I wasn't withdrawaling from kratom I took like 6 capsules 3 days prior. I smoked medical marijuana who the fuck cares its legal almost everywhere. I had strep a week prior to being hospitalized and was almost 100% positive I got food poisoning but they focused on me being a drug addict hallucinating on something.

They have blatant lies and contradictions in my medical chart. I'm sharing my medical info with u guys. Most of you know me I am a vet on here 12+ years. 2 scientific degrees. I'm not some dumb ass blaming the hospital for my seizure I'm blaming them for going against my will and infected my bladder. they obviously didn't want to prescribe antibiotics because then it would have shown that they did give me the infection.

My urologist said it was hospital acquired Staph.

If things get worse I'll be 28 years old and have to use a catheter.

This is a hard pill to swallow I'm not suicidal but god damn I've been through so fucking much. Imagine pissing blood and shit for a month and them blowing it off!?!?!


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Re: Viral outbreak in China [Re: Gorlax]
    #26868368 - 08/07/20 01:25 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Would euthanasia be advised?  If you are dead then you no longer have to worry about contracting the coronavirus.

For the children, we could suspend them in a deep freeze.  That way they won't be educationally retarded when we want them to act like real people again.


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Re: Viral outbreak in China [Re: cannabinated]
    #26868425 - 08/07/20 01:48 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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if they open skewls its deff gunna be higher than 300k by the end of the year



we'll see


@feeevers, if it had nothing to with covid19 it wouldn't say that is what it is for, I posted one source, I'm going to go through and post every link, look for yourself and stop letting others tell you what is going on. You are the one with no clue trying to say that hospitals don't commit fraud and it's foolish to think that when it comes to billions of even trillions of dollars in government funds that corruption isn't happening and that is what you are saying.

I'm simply saying that this virus has created the perfect storm for thievery,  even HHS is  aware of this fact and trying to curb it as best as possible.  So don't act like it ain't happening. When it comes to money. people will steal and I don't care if its the freaking pope, it's fact.


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Re: Viral outbreak in China [Re: InfiniteDreams]
    #26868428 - 08/07/20 01:49 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

I would have taken it when they were jamming that thing up my penis.

Who knows if I had covid either they didn't run the Abbott test so.....


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Re: Viral outbreak in China [Re: Gorlax] * 1
    #26868434 - 08/07/20 01:51 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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Well even more bad news... I drank 2 liters of water and only 230mL went into my bladder. I just finished the antibiotics for the staph infection but I think the damage has been done. The doctor asked me if the flowmax was making me feel weird when I stood up and its like he read my mind. I'd stand up and almost black out. He switched me to a drug he said hasn't been in use in a long time..........


I wasn't withdrawaling from kratom I took like 6 capsules 3 days prior. I smoked medical marijuana who the fuck cares its legal almost everywhere. I had strep a week prior to being hospitalized and was almost 100% positive I got food poisoning but they focused on me being a drug addict hallucinating on something.

They have blatant lies and contradictions in my medical chart. I'm sharing my medical info with u guys. Most of you know me I am a vet on here 12+ years. 2 scientific degrees. I'm not some dumb ass blaming the hospital for my seizure I'm blaming them for going against my will and infected my bladder. they obviously didn't want to prescribe antibiotics because then it would have shown that they did give me the infection.

My urologist said it was hospital acquired Staph.

If things get worse I'll be 28 years old and have to use a catheter.

This is a hard pill to swallow I'm not suicidal but god damn I've been through so fucking much. Imagine pissing blood and shit for a month and them blowing it off!?!?!



I'm so sorry gorlax :hug: I know you can get through this. I know what it's like to be terrified you're going to die or get very ill and stay that way. All I can say is this will make you stronger as a person. Get us the charts but in the mean time dyi the fuck outta some home remedies and keep on the doctors as much as possible. Make sure all of your complaints are in your chart. Don't give up on life you know you're worth more then that.


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    #26868489 - 08/07/20 02:16 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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Jesus. How tf did we wind up with so many dumb af mods?




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