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Re: Viral outbreak in China [Re: feevers]
#26864399 - 08/05/20 11:41 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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morrowasted said: what would be really neat is an implanatable device that automatically releases antigen-encoding mRNA into your blood at periodic interbals
you just gave anti-vaxxers an aneurysm
lol, yeah. i don't mean mandated, but it would be a neat option
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so can you get the rona twice?
my understanding is that it appears antibody levels depend on the severity of infection, and typically only last 4 months or so. so yes, when they go away, you could get it again.
not all pharmaceutical companies are "bad". there are investors out there shelling out millions to develop antibiotics that are almost certainly never going to be profitable, simply because antibiotic resistance is a major problem. the greedy people who encourage massive painkiller campaigns, off-label RXing of psych meds like seroquel, and arbitrary increases in the price of insulin give the industry a bad name in general. but for the most part it's just an industry like any other. they wanna make a profit, yes, but the idea that none of them care about society at large is overly cynical. in the case of COVID19, even from a purely profit-driven standpoint, it's in their best interest to develop a vaccine that that works and is affordable for everyone, because COVID19 primarily kills members of the specific patient population that consumes most of the medications that they make their money on- antihypertensives, blood thinners, chemo meds, etc.
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Re: Viral outbreak in China [Re: feevers]
#26864402 - 08/05/20 11:42 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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cannabinated said: https://www.the-scientist.com/news-opinion/does-the-common-cold-protect-you-from-covid-19--67792
havent read the whole thing but suspected it
Yea that's what I've been thinking from back in March/April, where some homeless shelters in my city were having huge (like 95%+) asymptomatic rates. The vitamin D crowd jumped right on it, but it didn't make much sense in the winter and when some prisons elsewhere were seeing the same thing. Makes sense that a separate and weaker coronavirus could have gone through the facilities in previous months, leaving nearly everyone with antibodies that could help prevent against C19.
would be a great tool to steer society in whatever direction you'd like
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biotech is prolly as messy as the energy sector
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havent read the whole thing but suspected it
yeah I think most people in healthcare have suspected this from the beginning. I've actually wondered whether it wouldn't be a terrible idea to just inject people with live virus of a weak coronavirus while we wait for a vaccine. make them sick on purpose for 24-48hours with a disease we're certain they'll recover from in order to give them some protection against covid19. I don't know anything about the logistics of doing that though- I guess you'd need a medium for replicating the virus and such.
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s the energy sector
which also has companies run by people that care about the common welfare. my best friend works as a chemist for a non profit that develops catalytic converters to reduce carbon emissions from large scale fossil fuel powerplants
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im not being cynical yo
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cannabinated said: biotech is prolly as messy as the energy sector 
In my area biotech seems to be a bunch of former frat boys who are mostly finance majors. They hire a couple actual scientists, hype a couple preliminary studies and hope to get bought out
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Fauci is on CNN right now saying that it is possible having had a coronavirus cold in the past two years makes you less susceptible to serious covid
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Re: Viral outbreak in China [Re: koods]
#26864430 - 08/05/20 11:53 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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LOL so what i suspected during a shroom trip before the outbreak; that they tried to use another strain to protect certain populations during the onset of the pandemic, and the antibodies are fleeting so we cant investigate now 
was the whole plan!
so not cynical
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InfiniteDreams said: It is estimated that the treatment of HIV and malaria on a global scale have also been set back 20 years as an effect.
I estimate that common sense has also been set back twenty years by tha rona.
It isn't all about you, JSB.
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Re: Viral outbreak in China [Re: koods]
#26864432 - 08/05/20 11:53 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Also the antibodies that people are carrying around to other coronavirus spike proteins appear to be mitigating the severity of infection. I have to admit that I have misspoken on this account before, claiming that nobody could possibly be immune to COVID19 without having already been infected with. Some people may have enough other coronavirus antibodies to handle the job.
post I made in march.
not really surprising. antibody epitopes have some degree of flexibility, which is probably why things like autoimmune disorders happen. I can't say for sure, but I imagine the S-spike on all of the coronaviruses is roughly the same
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Re: Viral outbreak in China [Re: koods]
#26864461 - 08/05/20 12:05 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Two years is a lot longer than I thought, but that'd definitely help explain the high amount of asymptomatics. Originally I was thinking the seasonality of other coronaviruses could mean in the fall people will catch those and in theory get some antibody protection, the shutdown and protective measures obviously complicates things. Should be a mild flu season at least
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InfiniteDreams said: It is estimated that the treatment of HIV and malaria on a global scale have also been set back 20 years as an effect.
I estimate that common sense has also been set back twenty years by tha rona.
It isn't all about you, JSB.
Lol the irony coming from someone like you
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Re: Viral outbreak in China [Re: feevers]
#26864466 - 08/05/20 12:07 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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feevers said: Two years is a lot longer than I thought, but that'd definitely help explain the high amount of asymptomatics. Originally I was thinking the seasonality of other coronaviruses could mean in the fall people will catch those and in theory get some antibody protection, the shutdown and protective measures obviously complicates things. Should be a mild flu season at least 
It’s really not that high a number. There is a higher proportion of asymptomatic flu infections than covid
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Re: Viral outbreak in China [Re: koods]
#26864473 - 08/05/20 12:10 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Half the adults in the country get a flu shot though, and vaccines from past years can supposedly offer some immunity as well.
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Re: Viral outbreak in China [Re: feevers]
#26864533 - 08/05/20 12:42 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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I'm going to the hospital now.
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Re: Viral outbreak in China [Re: Gorlax]
#26864766 - 08/05/20 02:56 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Good luck dude
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Re: Viral outbreak in China [Re: feevers]
#26864915 - 08/05/20 04:04 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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feevers said: Half the adults in the country get a flu shot though, and vaccines from past years can supposedly offer some immunity as well.
Flu vaccination coverage among adults was 37.1%, a decrease of 6.2 percentage points from the previous flu season. Vaccination coverage varied by age group and state, and coverage decreased in all age groups and in most states.Oct 25, 2018
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cannabinated said: AND the coronavirus has some nasty glycoproteins that obscure the spike and only allow a traditional vaccine to work for for a few months
yeah it may be one that has to be given as much as 3 times a year but meh, I'll do it anyway, covid19 is a shit disease
If we need a new corona shot every 3-4 months and every subsequent case of corona is worse, we'll need to eradicate this like Smallpox the moment we have a vaccin.
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Re: Viral outbreak in China [Re: Asante] 1
#26864961 - 08/05/20 04:28 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Get ready for this....
Patient denies alcohol tobacco or recreational drug use though UDS dies shows marijuana (MMJ patient).Patient may have had COVID exposure as he works with deadbodies and this can not be ruled out!!!!!!!!
WHATTTTT
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