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Re: Viral outbreak in China [Re: budmanman]
#26863798 - 08/05/20 04:50 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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budmanman said: Can someone explain to me why kids are back in school during summer vacation? Doesn't make sense.
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Re: Viral outbreak in China [Re: Shiithead]
#26863996 - 08/05/20 08:25 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Yeah, the USA is fucked.
Its all about the money. Officials have even said its pretty much a calculated risk. People are going to die, but the economy will keep going. Money over people.
People cant go make money and keep the economy going if they have to watch their kids, so open schools. Better for the economy, not the people.
Only a 1/200 chance your kid will die. Dont worry. Send your kid to school and let them pass it around. NP!
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feevers


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prettyMushy said: Yeah, the USA is fucked.
Its all about the money. Officials have even said its pretty much a calculated risk. People are going to die, but the economy will keep going. Money over people.
People cant go make money and keep the economy going if they have to watch their kids, so open schools. Better for the economy, not the people.
Only a 1/200 chance your kid will die. Dont worry. Send your kid to school and let them pass it around. NP!
Another issue is that there really haven't been many(or any that I've seen) studies on the potential long-term risks in kids getting it. In adults, the research is looking not great, with 30%+ (in the current sample sizes I've seen) of people who were totally asymptomatic seeing some sort of damage to the lungs or heart that could be long-term, along with potential damage to other organs and increased risk of future blood clots and stroke.
How many of these kids live with grandparents? How many have a parent or sibling that is very high risk? What are they supposed to do? Anyone who thinks these kids will go through the school year without nearly all of them catching and spreading such a fast-moving and immensely contagious virus that our country is already saturated with is insane.
There really is no easy solution, it's a lose-lose. Hopefully schools are being sensitive to students and parents that don't want to take the risk, and making other options available.
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Re: Viral outbreak in China [Re: feevers] 1
#26864065 - 08/05/20 08:56 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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The money vs lives argument is so short-sighted to me. In a twisted way you could say it's a blessing that we even are able to have that argument, that this virus is not as deadly as the initial fears. It's still worse than anything our medical staff has ever experienced though, and the next one might be more deadly than we could ever imagine.
We have no idea when the next one will hit, but we can be 100% sure that it will hit. The fact that we're not using this opportunity to spare hundreds of thousands from death, millions from getting brutally sick and possibly permanently maimed, because we think taking new and radical measures would hurt the economy is asinine. We should be structuring our entire society to be armed against these inevitable and completely predictable disasters. We could create jobs and revitalize entire industries in doing so. We're basically duct-taping and super-gluing up a decrepit house that's on a crumbling foundation, ignoring that the next storm will flatten it.
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Re: Viral outbreak in China [Re: feevers]
#26864126 - 08/05/20 09:26 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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feevers said: The money vs lives argument is so short-sighted to me.
I know but this exactly what people like Gov. Greg Abbot of Texas are saying. One of the biggest covid hotspots. REFUSES to move backwards in opening up.
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Re: Viral outbreak in China [Re: feevers]
#26864128 - 08/05/20 09:28 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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feevers said: fast-moving and immensely contagious virus that our country is already saturated with is insane.
There really is no easy solution, it's a lose-lose. Hopefully schools are being sensitive to students and parents that don't want to take the risk, and making other options available.
I think we should learn from mexico. They are doing classes over TV. Fuck just make a netflix like program with approved courses and have 3 dozen teachers from each subject record lectures and give out logins to everyone in the usa. BAM. ez pz.
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if they listened to the scientists they would know that a vaccine wont be available til the economy is ded, then they can control who live n dies
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cannabinated said: if they listened to the scientists they would know that a vaccine wont be available til the economy is ded, then they can control who live n dies
don't even get me started on vaccines. the moderna one, 80% of people that get it have side effects right off the bat. not to mention normal vaccines wouldnt do another trial for a year so they could measure long-term side effects.
the seasonal flu vaccine has side-effects ranging from 5-15% (depending on the side effect)
you know why these companies are so eager to make vaccines? because you cant sue them. They can print money from human lives and are already getting that money from the government before they produce a single viable vaccine.
All comes back to MONEY - at least in my opinion
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Im not a anti-vaxxer or anything. I just value my life.
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side effects are expected with any kind of medicine. some may cause a mild fever, some may cause pain at the injection site. serious side effects are very rare. they do happen, but again, serious side effects also sometimes occur with the medicines we use to treat the diseases we are trying to prevent. the nice thing about the side effects of vaccines is that they go away within a couple of days and you rarely ever have to get the vaccine. As far as medicine goes, they're relatively unprofitable compared with medicines that need to be taken all the time.
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cannabinated



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AND the coronavirus has some nasty glycoproteins that obscure the spike and only allow a traditional vaccine to work for for a few months
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Its all about the money. Officials have even said its pretty much a calculated risk. People are going to die, but the economy will keep going. Money over people.
I think this is an oversimplification. Don't get me wrong, I agree the lockdowns were scaled back way too quickly and haphazardly here in Texas, but the idea that economic hardship isn't also associated with loss of life is naive. Many people commit suicide, develop deadly addictions, etc. in response to serious economic hardship. I also think that quality of life is an important consideration to make here. If I were forced to choose "which is more desirable?" between a society of 7billion people hooked up to ECMO machines or 100 million people with no medical problems and excellent quality of life, the choice would be easy to make. obviously this is a ridiculously extreme example, but there is definitely a point at which massive wide-scale reductions in quality of life outweigh smaller-scale losses of life, especially when that loss of life occurs primarily among people whose quality of life is already relatively poor
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cannabinated said: AND the coronavirus has some nasty glycoproteins that obscure the spike and only allow a traditional vaccine to work for for a few months
yeah it may be one that has to be given as much as 3 times a year but meh, I'll do it anyway, covid19 is a shit disease
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cannabinated



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its one way to make vaccines profitable
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I don't follow you. The reason you would have to give it more often has to do with the behavior of coronavirus antibodies. it appears that even naturally acquired immunity last only months
what would be really neat is an implanatable device that automatically releases antigen-encoding mRNA into your blood at periodic interbals
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Its all about the money. Officials have even said its pretty much a calculated risk. People are going to die, but the economy will keep going. Money over people.
I think this is an oversimplification. Don't get me wrong, I agree the lockdowns were scaled back way too quickly and haphazardly here in Texas, but the idea that economic hardship isn't also associated with loss of life is naive. Many people commit suicide, develop deadly addictions, etc. in response to serious economic hardship. I also think that quality of life is an important consideration to make here. If I were forced to choose "which is more desirable?" between a society of 7billion people hooked up to ECMO machines or 100 million people with no medical problems and excellent quality of life, the choice would be easy to make. obviously this is a ridiculously extreme example, but there is definitely a point at which massive wide-scale reductions in quality of life outweigh smaller-scale losses of life, especially when that loss of life occurs primarily among people whose quality of life is already relatively poor
The lockdowns themselves were put in place without care or much reasoning causing massive disruption of supply chain on a global scale. In reference to medical damage on a global scale, as a case in point, deaths from tuberculosis will see an increase of over one million explicitly because the lockdown disrupted both the supply of medication and treatment provided. It is estimated that the treatment of HIV and malaria on a global scale have also been set back 20 years as an effect.
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morrowasted said: what would be really neat is an implanatable device that automatically releases antigen-encoding mRNA into your blood at periodic interbals
you just gave anti-vaxxers an aneurysm
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cannabinated



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that might work for you being exposed to patients all day but that will not stop the spread thru the population
obviously more vaccine and demand for vaccine is more profit
so can you get the rona twice?
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InfiniteDreams said: It is estimated that the treatment of HIV and malaria on a global scale have also been set back 20 years as an effect.
I estimate that common sense has also been set back twenty years by tha rona.
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cannabinated said: https://www.the-scientist.com/news-opinion/does-the-common-cold-protect-you-from-covid-19--67792
havent read the whole thing but suspected it
Yea that's what I've been thinking from back in March/April, where some homeless shelters in my city were having huge (like 95%+) asymptomatic rates. The vitamin D crowd jumped right on it, but it didn't make much sense in the winter and when some prisons elsewhere were seeing the same thing. Makes sense that a separate and weaker coronavirus could have gone through the facilities in previous months, leaving nearly everyone with antibodies that could help prevent against C19.
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