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Re: Viral outbreak in China - Coronavirus Pandemic 2020 [Re: cannabinated]
#26852090 - 07/29/20 03:12 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Gorlax said: Well the source of COVID-19 actually is very important.
I can't see why the source is important in anything you say after this. The source doesn't seem to be very important in all the other pandemics in history, so why this one?
Every outbreak we find or try to find patient zero. It is literally important in every other pandemic in history lol.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Index_case
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David Heymann, professor of Infectious Disease Epidemiology at the London School of Hygiene & Tropical Medicine, and formerly with the World Health Organization (WHO),[25] has questioned the importance of finding patient zero, stating, "Finding patient zero may be important in some instances, but only if they are still alive and spreading the disease; and more often than not, especially in large disease outbreaks, they're not."[26]
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Re: Viral outbreak in China - Coronavirus Pandemic 2020 [Re: Jokeshopbeard]
#26852091 - 07/29/20 03:13 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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yes, business can use science for an agenda
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Re: Viral outbreak in China - Coronavirus Pandemic 2020 [Re: cannabinated]
#26852096 - 07/29/20 03:14 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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but this isnt about patient zero its about lab protocol and the economy
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Re: Viral outbreak in China - Coronavirus Pandemic 2020 [Re: Jokeshopbeard]
#26852102 - 07/29/20 03:21 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Gorlax said: Well the source of COVID-19 actually is very important.
I can't see why the source is important in anything you say after this. The source doesn't seem to be very important in all the other pandemics in history, so why this one?
Every outbreak we find or try to find patient zero. It is literally important in every other pandemic in history lol.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Index_case
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David Heymann, professor of Infectious Disease Epidemiology at the London School of Hygiene & Tropical Medicine, and formerly with the World Health Organization (WHO),[25] has questioned the importance of finding patient zero, stating, "Finding patient zero may be important in some instances, but only if they are still alive and spreading the disease; and more often than not, especially in large disease outbreaks, they're not."[26]
I guess knowing that the last somewhat big ebola outbreak in 2014 most likely came from a bat, which was discovered by finding patient 0 was useless information.
Knowing to be careful around bats was useless information.
Awww shit covid 19 likely came from a bat, if only more people knew just how dangerous bats were and were more careful.
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Re: Viral outbreak in China - Coronavirus Pandemic 2020 [Re: cannabinated] 1
#26852105 - 07/29/20 03:21 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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https://thenewdaily.com.au/news/world/2020/02/17/coronavirus-bat-lab/
not a conspiracy this is a story that has been squashed by the mainstream
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In one incident, a worker reportedly quarantined himself for two weeks after he was attacked by bats and got blood on his skin because “he knew the extreme danger of the infection”, the researchers said.
In a separate incident, the same worker quarantined himself again after bats urinated on him.
“It is plausible that the virus leaked around and some of them contaminated the initial patients in this epidemic, though solid proofs are needed in future study,” the researchers said.
“In addition to origins of natural recombination and intermediate host, the killer coronavirus probably originated from a laboratory in Wuhan.”
ur just too scared of change
The US funded the bat research in wuhan
https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020/04/nih-s-axing-bat-coronavirus-grant-horrible-precedent-and-might-break-rules-critics-say
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Re: Viral outbreak in China - Coronavirus Pandemic 2020 [Re: budmanman]
#26852106 - 07/29/20 03:22 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Oh and if you are fortunate enough to find the actual animal that infected the person, that would be useless too. I mean obviously.
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Re: Viral outbreak in China - Coronavirus Pandemic 2020 [Re: budmanman]
#26852121 - 07/29/20 03:30 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Gorlax said: Well the source of COVID-19 actually is very important.
I can't see why the source is important in anything you say after this.
The source doesn't seem to be very important in all the other pandemics in history, so why this one?
Every outbreak we find or try to find patient zero. It is literally important in every other pandemic in history lol.
Did you see that in a movie?
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Re: Viral outbreak in China - Coronavirus Pandemic 2020 [Re: budmanman]
#26852131 - 07/29/20 03:38 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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budmanman said: Oh and if you are fortunate enough to find the actual animal that infected the person, that would be useless too. I mean obviously.
Why would you think that is useful? Did you see that in a movie?
Why don’t you tell us why this would be important
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Re: Viral outbreak in China - Coronavirus Pandemic 2020 [Re: koods]
#26852136 - 07/29/20 03:41 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Just remember when badmanman is telling us why these things are obvious, that he believes that getting covid changes his genes so that his offspring will also be immune to covid. That’s the level of scientific expertise we’re dealing with here.
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Re: Viral outbreak in China - Coronavirus Pandemic 2020 [Re: koods]
#26852144 - 07/29/20 03:45 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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and ive been trained to work in biosafety labs and know what im talking about
not that many who do do
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Re: Viral outbreak in China - Coronavirus Pandemic 2020 [Re: cannabinated]
#26852154 - 07/29/20 03:52 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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When I worked at nih there was an HIV infected human brain in our freezer that we would occasionally cut slices from to stain to test antibodies.
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Re: Viral outbreak in China - Coronavirus Pandemic 2020 [Re: Jokeshopbeard]
#26852155 - 07/29/20 03:52 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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umm are you serious? We find the source of the outbreak to quarantine it.
let me give you examples:
SARS MERS Ebola HIV POLIO FLU swine flu zika virus
it wasnt properly quarantined.
this was written in 2014 about the dangers of gain a function research:
Epidemics can have catastrophic effects on the social order and result in the disruption of benefits that we associate with current society, such as law and order and reliable food distribution (for a vivid and dramatic representation of the effect of epidemics on society, readers are invited to see the movie Contagion, where an outbreak with a new fictional virus leads to the breakdown of the social order). Hence, epidemics pose existential threats to civil society even when morbidity and mortality occur in a fraction of those infected. Given the biological characteristics of the influenza virus that ensure the continuous generation of antigenic variability, this virus poses a continuous extant threat, with the likelihood of new pandemics being determined by variables that remain poorly understood. In this environment, the influenza virus research community is humanity’s best defense against influenza virus. Consequently, anything that impacts influenza virus research is of utmost importance to societal well-being.
In recent years, some members of the scientific community have been involved in a vigorous debate over so-called “gain-of-function” (GOF) experiments involving pathogens with pandemic potential (PPP), such as influenza virus. Proponents and opponents of GOF work engaged in extensive discussion about the value, safety, ethics, and validity of this type of research. The debate was initially catalyzed by research experiments published in 2012, which reported that serial passage in ferrets rendered variants of the highly pathogenic avian influenza virus (HPAIV) H5N1 transmissible in a mammalian species (1, 2). These experiments were performed, in part, because there was debate in the field as to whether H5N1 could become transmissible in humans. The result was accompanied by publication of the specific mutations associated with this new function, which was essentially a “species jump” to mammalian transmission. Although influenza virus has historically demonstrated the capacity to move across species, in this particular experiment, the GOF was the acquisition of mammalian transmissibility for a virus that previously lacked it. The debate over this type of experimentation (i.e., that which changes the transmissibility of an influenza virus to include a mammalian species) resulted in a temporary moratorium on GOF experiments involving HPAIV, followed by continuation of the work with additional biosafety precautions and regulation
read full articles here. peer reviewed. concrete science. https://mbio.asm.org/content/5/4/e01730-14
What a fucking coincidence they predicted this research would cause identical problems we are facing now
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Re: Viral outbreak in China - Coronavirus Pandemic 2020 [Re: Gorlax]
#26852158 - 07/29/20 03:53 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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That’s great. What does that have to do with our current situation?
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Re: Viral outbreak in China - Coronavirus Pandemic 2020 [Re: koods]
#26852163 - 07/29/20 03:56 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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its literally the story 
if they say its a wet market and impossible it came from a lab
the evidence points to the lab
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Re: Viral outbreak in China - Coronavirus Pandemic 2020 [Re: koods]
#26852166 - 07/29/20 03:57 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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what a fucking coincidence they predicted this research would cause identical problems we are facing now
It’s not really a coincidence. You’re using circular logic by assuming that this research caused a problem that people said would be caused by this research. This is almost certainly a natural virus. People want to believe nature isn’t capable of producing well adapted organisms but that is exactly what evolution is about. You’re stuck in a “intelligent designer” mind set.
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Re: Viral outbreak in China - Coronavirus Pandemic 2020 [Re: koods]
#26852173 - 07/29/20 04:00 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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i think engineering a virus is really stupid
DNA is a barcode
but creating a cesspool for them to evolve and study, instead of having to go out in the bush, thats occums razor bro
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Re: Viral outbreak in China - Coronavirus Pandemic 2020 [Re: cannabinated]
#26852179 - 07/29/20 04:04 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Breeding viruses in animals for research can be beneficial. But in a country like China is extremely scary.
A couple months ago I found some evidence that some intern caught it there and went shopping at the whluhan wet market.
This has been shoved deep under the rug in so much that you have people with a political ideology using every inch of their power trying to say it doesn't matter.
Thats the power if the CCP
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Re: Viral outbreak in China - Coronavirus Pandemic 2020 [Re: cannabinated]
#26852186 - 07/29/20 04:08 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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cannabinated said: its literally the story 
if they say its a wet market and impossible it came from a lab
the evidence points to the lab
If you hear the proponents of this theory, they make it sound like the lab was right across the street from the market. That sounded compelling. The you find out the lab is no where near the lab. It’s not even in the city. It’s 10 miles away. That’s when you need to stop listening to people who can’t get the simplest facts straight.
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Re: Viral outbreak in China - Coronavirus Pandemic 2020 [Re: budmanman]
#26852191 - 07/29/20 04:11 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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budmanman said: Breeding viruses in animals for research can be beneficial. But in a country like China is extremely scary.
A couple months ago I found some evidence that some intern caught it there and went shopping at the whluhan wet market.
You found some evidence did you?
Please tell us more. And maybe throw in a lesson on genetic based immunity.
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Re: Viral outbreak in China - Coronavirus Pandemic 2020 [Re: koods] 2
#26852199 - 07/29/20 04:13 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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How where those brain sandwiches?
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