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Re: Viral outbreak in China - Coronavirus Pandemic 2020 [Re: morrowasted]
#26849675 - 07/28/20 10:54 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Here is epiphany for you:
Everything I stated for Swedish situation will be proved and made example how to get the official death tolls up.
Here is another one: putting people on ventilator is a death sentence. Most of the victims who died on ventilator could have been saved.
Time will tell.
Meanwhile get ready for mandatory vaccines.
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Re: Viral outbreak in China - Coronavirus Pandemic 2020 [Re: LeningradCowboy] 1
#26849680 - 07/28/20 10:57 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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I'd say yes because if it is due to bad practices, either lab or most likely animal agriculture practices, we should really be doing our best to end the conditions making such things possible.
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Re: Viral outbreak in China - Coronavirus Pandemic 2020 [Re: LeningradCowboy] 1
#26849683 - 07/28/20 10:59 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Ventilators I agree are very bad, its better to give the patient oxygenated blood. Vaccines are really the only solution unless we want to wait decades for immunity, or find some amazing drug.
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Re: Viral outbreak in China - Coronavirus Pandemic 2020 [Re: LeningradCowboy]
#26849690 - 07/28/20 11:03 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Flushots are not that effective and do not come without side effects you know. New one for every year because the mutations. Covid has 40+ of them.
Good luck with (working) vaccine.
One that can be used to skim billions from goverments is not so hard to come up though
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Re: Viral outbreak in China - Coronavirus Pandemic 2020 [Re: LeningradCowboy]
#26849739 - 07/28/20 11:32 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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That's the issue with COVID 19. So far there hasn't been a successful vaccine for coronavirus, but getting a flu shot is certainly better than getting the flu, particularly if you're old or have other conditions (Most people in the west are obese, so that's a lot of people at risk). COVID is a lot deadlier than the flu, I know UK mortality rate is 15%. Scotland is doing far better than england though.....
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Re: Viral outbreak in China - Coronavirus Pandemic 2020 [Re: AcidGandalf] 3
#26849763 - 07/28/20 11:47 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Here is another one: putting people on ventilator is a death sentence. Most of the victims who died on ventilator could have been saved.
This dude is simultaneously mad that people aren't getting treatment for covid and that people are getting too much treatment for covid
He honestly believes that the Swedish government is intentionally killing old people just to "get the official numbers up". NEWSFLASH: The higher the official numbers, the worse the Swedish government's policies reflect on it.
I try to keep my posts polite and objectively informative, but you are making that increasingly difficult to do. It's seriously like every time you post, you make it a challenge to say something even dumber- and frankly, more insulting to everyone who is out here trying to make a difference- than what you said the last time.
I have an idea: If you think you know so much, GO TO SCHOOL AND COME TO WORK. In the meantime, I'd recommend that you STOP POSTING because the more you post, the more embarrassed you're going to feel when you actually get out of your armchair and do something other than watch contrarian youtube videos and stir up drama on messageboards. Until then, you come across like a literary critic who lambasts everyone that got published by the publishers who turned his books down. Worse yet: just a literary critic who fancies himself a writer, but isn't, and lambasts everyone that's out there actually trying to write.
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Re: Viral outbreak in China - Coronavirus Pandemic 2020 [Re: morrowasted]
#26849774 - 07/28/20 11:55 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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That...makes no sense lol. Honestly fed up with conspiracy theorists in regards to covid, my father works in A&E and I havent been able to see him in months. He isn't killing anyone, he is risking his life
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Re: Viral outbreak in China - Coronavirus Pandemic 2020 [Re: AcidGandalf]
#26849777 - 07/28/20 11:56 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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AcidGandalf said: That...makes no sense lol. Honestly fed up with conspiracy theorists in regards to covid, my father works in A&E and I havent been able to see him in months. He isn't killing anyone, he is risking his life 
Dude literally spent pages bitching about Sweden putting people who probably would've required ventilation to HAVE A CHANCE AT SURVIVING COVID on palliative care rather than treating them, then has the nuts to claim that people are dying because they get put on ventilators. The cognitive dissonance is absolutely mindblowing
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Re: Viral outbreak in China - Coronavirus Pandemic 2020 [Re: morrowasted]
#26849786 - 07/28/20 12:00 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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So what? You could use the ignore button. You dont have to engage. No one is saving the world by being correct in a pub thread on shroomery.
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Re: Viral outbreak in China - Coronavirus Pandemic 2020 [Re: mushboy]
#26849816 - 07/28/20 12:14 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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I just might. I can't remember the last time I used it, but it's coming close. The idea of him convincing even a single person in this thread that medics are causing patient deaths because they either A) don't understand how to treat covid as well as he does or B) are okay with intentionally murdering patients is very disturbing though. It is very personal when someone is accusing the people of your profession of being both malicious and stupid. I seriously hope nobody is taking him seriously. I don't expect gratitude. As nauseating as it sometimes gets being called a hero by people who don't have their heads firmly implanted within their own assholes, being accused of negligence and malice by the lowest-grade kind of online dilettante imaginable is much harder to stomach. I can frankly deal with the hoaxer attitude, but someone with no medical education who continually acts as though he somehow understands how to prevent or treat covid19 better than the entire collective of people who do have medical education is far worse. Fully anticipating him coming back by and accusing me of egotism or something just for pointing how that he is cluelessly spreading falsehoods that are both dangerous and highly insulting.
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Re: Viral outbreak in China - Coronavirus Pandemic 2020 [Re: morrowasted]
#26849848 - 07/28/20 12:30 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Are you saying somewhere in Sweden some docs used palliative care to help comfort patients with oxygen starvation etc etc? I’m not well informed on the covid situation in countries other than us, mex, and sk. So idk what you all were referring to by it.
Whatever the case, someone’s always going to get conspiratorial on such low hanging fruit, they can’t help themselves. It’s the easy cop-out deluded laden answer to anything not easily & instantly understood.
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Re: Viral outbreak in China - Coronavirus Pandemic 2020 [Re: morrowasted] 1
#26849853 - 07/28/20 12:33 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Especially after that rant
The reason I suggested ignore is because eventually you'll lose your cool and either troll him(bannable) or melt.
Please dont do either
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Re: Viral outbreak in China - Coronavirus Pandemic 2020 [Re: mushboy]
#26849917 - 07/28/20 01:13 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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mushboy said: Especially after that rant
The reason I suggested ignore is because eventually you'll lose your cool and either troll him(bannable) or melt.
Please dont do either
What do you mean "troll him"? He is clearly trolling us. He is repeatedly instigating arguments- "masks are bad for you", "Sweden is murdering patients with narcotics", "doctors are killing patients by putting them on vents". He provides zero valuable contributions to this thread, he only comes in here to play contrarian knowitall and throw around passive aggressive (and sometimes not so passive agressive) insults. I never "troll" anyone, I just come in here and respond to his ridiculous posts. I will put him on my ignore list, though. Just please, if you have a question about covid care, don't ask him. He doesn't know what he is talking about.
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Are you saying somewhere in Sweden some docs used palliative care to help comfort patients with oxygen starvation etc etc? I’m not well informed on the covid situation in countries other than us, mex, and sk. So idk what you all were referring to by it.
It appears that Sweden has chosen not to provide COVID19 treatment for certain people, most of whom are elderly and in nursing homes, that get diagnosed with it. They put them on palliative care to ease the pain of dying. Patients on palliative care are allowed to obtain as much pain medication as they want, which means that some of them are choosing to self-euthanize. Most of them are likely just dying of COVID19 while receiving pain medication. Yes, the pain medication has the potential to speed up the process of dying from pneumonia, but patients on palliative care are also allowed to refuse those medications.
It sucks that these specific people in Sweden can't get treatment for COVID19 as a result of government policies, but he is trying to cache out this decision as "murder", which it clearly is not. The one article he cited that appears to substantiate this is highly disreputable and agenda-laden, and the others he cited don't actually substantiate it at all, he is simply misinterpreting them. Medical personnel could all walk away from their jobs and just let everyone try to survive covid19 without any treatment (or palliative care to reduce suffering) at all, and it still wouldn't be murder. We are not obligated to do this job simply because we got degrees in the field. That would be tantamount to slavery. Instead, they continue to show up to their jobs. Nurses can't give patients treatments that the doctors haven't ordered. What the doctors have ordered for these patients is palliative care. Therefore the job of those nurses is to ease the pain of dying for those people exactly as much as those patients want.
My guess that those Swedish doctors are aware of how many ventilators (and other equipment used for severe cases) are available for use, how long the average patient has to be on one before either surviving or dying, what the relationship is between age/comorbidites and the likelihood of ventilator therapy being effective, and made the decision the keep the ventilators available for a patient population with whom the ventilators are likely to help, rather than allowing them all to be tied up for weeks by a patient population that is likely to die inevitably regardless. It's a shitty situation, but the medical personnel are simply dealing with the fallout of the Swedish government's policies and attempting to maximize the number of lives saved given the amount of resources they have.
In the USA, we try to treat every single person for COVID, even people who are very unlikely to live no matter what we do, like people with end stage renal disease or severe congestive heart failure. Without being put on a ventilator, most of them would die very very quickly. Even with ventilators, many of them die. He is trying to claim that these people would have lived had they not been put on ventilators.
In summation, he is mad that some people in Sweden aren't getting COVID19 treatment and dying as a result of it, when for most of them, the course of treatment would require precisely the medical intervention (ventilators) that he is claiming patients are dying as a result of in order to even have any chance of surviving at all.
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Re: Viral outbreak in China - Coronavirus Pandemic 2020 [Re: morrowasted]
#26849933 - 07/28/20 01:20 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Here is another one: putting people on ventilator is a death sentence. Most of the victims who died on ventilator could have been saved.
This dude is simultaneously mad that people aren't getting treatment for covid and that people are getting too much treatment for covid
He honestly believes that the Swedish government is intentionally killing old people just to "get the official numbers up". NEWSFLASH: The higher the official numbers, the worse the Swedish government's policies reflect on it.
I try to keep my posts polite and objectively informative, but you are making that increasingly difficult to do. It's seriously like every time you post, you make it a challenge to say something even dumber than what you said the last time.
I have an idea: If you think you know so much, GO TO SCHOOL AND COME TO WORK. In the meantime, I'd recommend that you STOP POSTING because the more you post, the dumber you're going to feel when you actually get out of your armchair and do something real. Until then, you come across like a literary critic who lambasts everyone that got published by the publishers who turned his books down.
If you would read what I post with idea, or read the links even. You would now that im at school atm for second degree on this field. Have been continous theme in my post you know. All so that next period of work in HOSPITAL with ELDERS starts in beginning of next month.
You did not read the Wall street journal article did you?
Neither the bbc?
But yeah im making this up in mu head 
Im not mad that people get treatment. I´m mad that people get wrong kind of treatment. Or ar denied treatment.
88% of people put in ventilators die. right? Would it be time to think another kind of treatments? Like surplus oxygen though air or blood? And please dont try to mengle with my words! Speaking about oxygen here! Not ventilators.
It is funny that every time you end up in position where you run out of words you start smearing shit on people by talking them in 3 person.
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morrowasted said: I just might. I can't remember the last time I used it, but it's coming close. The idea of him convincing even a single person in this thread that medics are causing patient deaths because they either A) don't understand how to treat covid as well as he does or B) are okay with intentionally murdering patients is very disturbing though. It is very personal when someone is accusing the people of your profession of being both malicious and stupid. I seriously hope nobody is taking him seriously. I don't expect gratitude. As nauseating as it sometimes gets being called a hero by people who don't have their heads firmly implanted within their own assholes, being accused of negligence and malice by the lowest-grade kind of online dilettante imaginable is much harder to stomach. I can frankly deal with the hoaxer attitude, but someone with no medical education who continually acts as though he somehow understands how to prevent or treat covid19 better than the entire collective of people who do have medical education is far worse. Fully anticipating him coming back by and accusing me of egotism or something just for pointing how that he is cluelessly spreading falsehoods that are both dangerous and highly insulting.
I did not accuse you of neglecting your patients at any point! I hope you realize this.
This story checks up. Yep Nurses killing patients on the orders of doctors. Nurses were the whistle blowers about this too. And know investigation is on its way why and how this happened.
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Here is another one: putting people on ventilator is a death sentence. Most of the victims who died on ventilator could have been saved.
This dude is simultaneously mad that people aren't getting treatment for covid and that people are getting too much treatment for covid
You are still trying to read me wrong on purpose. oxygen treatment is another thing from ventilator.
Put me on ignore, it does not change that this happened the way I presented it.
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Re: Viral outbreak in China - Coronavirus Pandemic 2020 [Re: The Blind Ass]
#26849996 - 07/28/20 02:01 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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The Blind Ass said: Are you saying somewhere in Sweden some docs used palliative care to help comfort patients with oxygen starvation etc etc? I’m not well informed on the covid situation in countries other than us, mex, and sk. So idk what you all were referring to by it.
Whatever the case, someone’s always going to get conspiratorial on such low hanging fruit, they can’t help themselves. It’s the easy cop-out deluded laden answer to anything not easily & instantly understood.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-52704836
https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/deadly-covid-discrimination-against-the-elderly-in-sweden/
This happened. Morrow beeing all so a nurse is in denial that this is possible. Investigation in sweden started all ready why and how this was even possible.
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Re: Viral outbreak in China - Coronavirus Pandemic 2020 [Re: AcidGandalf]
#26850004 - 07/28/20 02:07 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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AcidGandalf said: That's the issue with COVID 19. So far there hasn't been a successful vaccine for coronavirus, but getting a flu shot is certainly better than getting the flu, particularly if you're old or have other conditions (Most people in the west are obese, so that's a lot of people at risk). COVID is a lot deadlier than the flu, I know UK mortality rate is 15%. Scotland is doing far better than england though.....
There are successful coronavirus vaccines, just not for humans because there hasn’t been a disease that produced the financial incentive to create one. The SARS vaccine was in development but the disease was eradicated.
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Re: Viral outbreak in China - Coronavirus Pandemic 2020 [Re: LeningradCowboy]
#26850020 - 07/28/20 02:17 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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LeningradCowboy said: Joe Rogan had a quest who was one of the early covid patients in usa. He sais that the thing that saved his life was that he was no put on ventilator.
And as far as tagging somebody red or black. Morrow this is not it.
How in the fuck does he know that?
You said a while back that 88% of people on ventilators died, then went on to suggest that it’s the ventilators that are killing them. This is completely moronic. I don’t even know how someone could make such a logically unsustainable argument.
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Re: Viral outbreak in China - Coronavirus Pandemic 2020 [Re: LeningradCowboy]
#26850044 - 07/28/20 02:31 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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I read those ones already.
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Re: Viral outbreak in China - Coronavirus Pandemic 2020 [Re: The Blind Ass]
#26850068 - 07/28/20 02:45 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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shit, I ordered kn95 masks from that makeup site people were shilling here, and after currency exchange it cost me $80 for 40 masks, now I just got a call from UPS and they are stuck at customs, it broke the billing down by item and customs is only charging me like $10, but UPS is charging me brokerage and tax, it added another $40, so now im at $120 for 40 masks, so now im paying like $3 a mask, I dont know what kinda racket UPS is pulling with these brokerage fees
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Re: Viral outbreak in China - Coronavirus Pandemic 2020 [Re: gopher]
#26850080 - 07/28/20 02:53 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Zero racket. The racket is the shipper not following directions and people ordering things most people would be like uhhh scam about.
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