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Re: Viral outbreak in China - Coronavirus Pandemic 2020 [Re: Niffla]
#26846081 - 07/26/20 12:55 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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The fact that people tried to out buy everyone and attempt to just leave people to starve is why I am disappointed the virus is turning out to not be as deadly as we were told. I really want the virus to ramp up its deadliness so those fucking psychos die.
They buy up all the shit and then they go, wear a mask to protect me lol fook off.
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Re: Viral outbreak in China - Coronavirus Pandemic 2020 [Re: budmanman]
#26846091 - 07/26/20 12:58 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Hah
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Re: Viral outbreak in China - Coronavirus Pandemic 2020 [Re: budmanman]
#26846098 - 07/26/20 01:03 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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budmanman said: The fact that people tried to out buy everyone and attempt to just leave people to starve is why I am disappointed the virus is turning out to not be as deadly as we were told. I really want the virus to ramp up its deadliness so those fucking psychos die.
They buy up all the shit and then they go, wear a mask to protect me lol fook off.
Lol it really was quite the display of just how fragile we are. People were so scared and utterly panicked, like a bunch of chickens with their heads cut off going to the stores trying to buy everything out as if a few shopping carts of toilet paper and hand sanitizer and whatever food was left on the shelves was going to save them from the end of the world.
It was pathetic. We like to think of ourselves as levels above wild animals but in reality, when panic set in we behaved worse than wild animals.
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Re: Viral outbreak in China - Coronavirus Pandemic 2020 [Re: mushboy]
#26846107 - 07/26/20 01:07 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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mushboy said: Seaweed extract eh?
Should I start eating my petri dishesđ¤
my personal but admittedly unqualified suspicion is that a lot of vegetable compounds may be capable of tricking the virus into binding to them rather than ace receptors. My understanding is that the s spike is in part composed of a particular sugar compound for binding that can also be bound up by a variety of plant lectins. There was a study for the original sars virus that found quite a few different plant chemicals capable of doing this, at least in cell culture. In vivo activity is unclear.
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Re: Viral outbreak in China - Coronavirus Pandemic 2020 [Re: morrowasted]
#26846113 - 07/26/20 01:10 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Well I had the virus and my wife feeds me a lot of vegetables so maybe its true because I barely got that sick.
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Re: Viral outbreak in China - Coronavirus Pandemic 2020 [Re: morrowasted] 1
#26846160 - 07/26/20 01:31 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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LG: neither the bbc nor the euronews article says a thing about forced euthanasia, it substantiates what i said in my previous post about giving people the option to either receive palliative care or attempt to survive without any care at all. I cant read the full wsj article, but it appears to indicate that the palliative care is optional. When they order palliative care they are not ordering forced euthanasia. As i said previously, they are saying the person cant be treated for the disease, only for the pain. It may or may not be the "right decision"- I am not familiar with how many resources sweden has to go around- but it is totally different from "murder". Healthcare workers didnt create a deadly virus. They are not OBLIGATED treat anyone at all, much less EVERYONE who gets it. We present great risk to ourselves and loved ones by showing up to work at all. We could all just walk away from the job entirely, and that wouldnt be murder either.
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Re: Viral outbreak in China - Coronavirus Pandemic 2020 [Re: Niffla] 1
#26846192 - 07/26/20 02:00 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Niffla said:
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budmanman said: The fact that people tried to out buy everyone and attempt to just leave people to starve is why I am disappointed the virus is turning out to not be as deadly as we were told. I really want the virus to ramp up its deadliness so those fucking psychos die.
They buy up all the shit and then they go, wear a mask to protect me lol fook off.
Lol it really was quite the display of just how fragile we are. People were so scared and utterly panicked, like a bunch of chickens with their heads cut off going to the stores trying to buy everything out as if a few shopping carts of toilet paper and hand sanitizer and whatever food was left on the shelves was going to save them from the end of the world.
It was pathetic. We like to think of ourselves as levels above wild animals but in reality, when panic set in we behaved worse than wild animals.
Undoubtedly we are nothing but animals and even in fight or flight panic mode we can really show ugliness
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Re: Viral outbreak in China - Coronavirus Pandemic 2020 [Re: connectedcosmos]
#26846226 - 07/26/20 02:30 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Normal mode we show our ugliness.
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Re: Viral outbreak in China - Coronavirus Pandemic 2020 [Re: mushboy]
#26846238 - 07/26/20 02:35 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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mushboy said: Normal mode we show our ugliness.
no doubt but in "normal" times we have the facade of being mostly halfway semi-decent, generally speaking anyway, but all of that was thrown out the window a few months ago when it came down to the last rolls of toilet paper and hand sanitizer on the store shelves
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Re: Viral outbreak in China - Coronavirus Pandemic 2020 [Re: Niffla]
#26846250 - 07/26/20 02:42 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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That facade is as fake as press on nails child.
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Re: Viral outbreak in China - Coronavirus Pandemic 2020 [Re: mushboy] 2
#26846257 - 07/26/20 02:46 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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âQuark : Let me tell you something about Hew-mons, Nephew. They're a wonderful, friendly people, as long as their bellies are full and their holosuites are working. But take away their creature comforts, deprive them of food, sleep, sonic showers, put their lives in jeopardy over an extended period of time and those same friendly, intelligent, wonderful people... will become as nasty and as violent as the most bloodthirsty Klingon. You don't believe me? Look at those faces. Look in their eyes.â
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Re: Viral outbreak in China - Coronavirus Pandemic 2020 [Re: Niffla]
#26846258 - 07/26/20 02:46 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Because of all the panic I was forced to go to the store to attempt to get some of the the scraps that were left after the storms of panicky headless chicken human beings swarmed every store on every corner as if the stores would cease to exist forever in 24 hours.
But if the apocalypse happens (and it's not going to be from covid but it could be from something else) in my lifetime, I've got my mind made up -- I'm not ever buying into the panic again. Even if it's justified.
I mean do people really think a few months worth of groceries is going to save them from the end? It's not. It'll just buy a few more months (if you're lucky) before they die like the rest of us.
The only ones that have a real shot of surviving in a scenario like that are those with actual survival skills. People who can hunt and know how to live off the land. Most of us in cities with very little to no legitimate survival skills will wither and die helplessly in droves in a scenario like that. A few months worth of shit that you raided off the grocery store shelves will not save you from the apocalypse.
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Re: Viral outbreak in China - Coronavirus Pandemic 2020 [Re: The Blind Ass]
#26846282 - 07/26/20 03:00 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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The Blind Ass said: âQuark : Let me tell you something about Hew-mons, Nephew. They're a wonderful, friendly people, as long as their bellies are full and their holosuites are working. But take away their creature comforts, deprive them of food, sleep, sonic showers, put their lives in jeopardy over an extended period of time and those same friendly, intelligent, wonderful people... will become as nasty and as violent as the most bloodthirsty Klingon. You don't believe me? Look at those faces. Look in their eyes.â
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Oh shit what's the episode!? They were on a planet and the dominion were invading and Starfleet was in the trenches. That brought me back. That's were his nephew lots his leg or something?
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Re: Viral outbreak in China - Coronavirus Pandemic 2020 [Re: mushboy]
#26846364 - 07/26/20 03:44 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Ha. Yeah I think thatâs the one âď¸
Quick google search for âquarks nephew missing leg episodeâ brought up this: "The Siege of AR-558" is the 158th episode.
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https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/excess_deaths.htm
Roughly 1000 people more than usual died in TX the week ending July 4th, compared to 210 reported COVID deaths.
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Re: Viral outbreak in China - Coronavirus Pandemic 2020 [Re: mushboy]
#26846440 - 07/26/20 04:48 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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WARNING long scientific post about Sars-COV-2::
This quarantine has given me a lot of time on my hand and its hard not to look into covid-19 literature since I am highly interested in biology, chemistry, and science. I've compiled this from scientific papers on covid-19.
COVID-19 is a novel corona-virus caused by Sars-Cov-2. It is the 3rd coronavirus to be introduced into humans. The first 2 being SARS and MERS. Isolated in Wuhan, China in 2019. 80% idential to SARS. 96% identical to specific proteins. +rNA strand viruses. Unusual features. Pandemic started in Wuhan, China with a level 4 virology lab located in Wuhan, China.
Step 1. Binds to host cells binding to ACE2 with the help of S glycoprotein spike (most likely the best way to prevent infection is to prevent binding to host cells) this is demonstrated in this photo with the introduction of antibodies. https://ars.els-cdn.com/content/image/1-s2.0-S0092867420302622-fx1.jpg
Griffithsin binds to these spikes and would prevent host binding which could be involved in drug development. i haven't read about this shit anywhere https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2820936/
We have all seen the photo of Sars-cov-2 and that ball spikes are the depiction of the S glycoprotein spike
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Step 2. Cleaved by host protease to activate membrane fusion TNMPRSS2 or Cathepsin-L Step 3. Single strand of RNA is released in host cytosol and is translated by host ribosome into large polyproteins. These are immediate protealized into smaller pieces by 2 proteases these then form together to form the RNA polymerase or replicase Step 4. RNA replicates full length genomes as templates and packaging making it infect numerous tissues Step 5. Packaged and released by exocytosis. https://www.economist.com/sites/default/files/images/print-edition/20200314_FBC902.png Addition of furin site for gain a function research has been highly theorized as the reason for this viruses ability to spread into humans and its reason for being highly infectious. Gain a function research is the ability of an organism to essentially gain a new evolutionary function. This would mean that its ability to infect humans would have been a function to gain.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK285579/
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In recent years, some members of the scientific community have been involved in a vigorous debate over so-called âgain-of-functionâ (GOF) experiments involving pathogens with pandemic potential (PPP), such as influenza virus. Proponents and opponents of GOF work engaged in extensive discussion about the value, safety, ethics, and validity of this type of research. The debate was initially catalyzed by research experiments published in 2012, which reported that serial passage in ferrets rendered variants of the highly pathogenic avian influenza virus (HPAIV) H5N1 transmissible in a mammalian species (1, 2). These experiments were performed, in part, because there was debate in the field as to whether H5N1 could become transmissible in humans. The result was accompanied by publication of the specific mutations associated with this new function, which was essentially a âspecies jumpâ to mammalian transmission
https://mbio.asm.org/content/5/4/e01730-14?__cf_chl_jschl_tk__=8ada4b4fc210141d5259a30d7601a12d75be552a-1595801614-0-ASeKAEhvzZFni0ZWgci6R8LVk2LnCqbNmvvMVEBidq2M1UyRFjW6khRzCTnUIhP5esDifWO9z1NXG6v8o9SXa_AbgpNODLp2Yb6uIL0Kiq6A6vs_xgs1-xsQhTQyJcLmo2yFmQfM1YnyKJ5DcZOq3sORVkvK6nlWF0hOWP7rBMrcuMSuO7UATGPOcRcqCueMoU6b4RAB2TRE7B06XmsF0HGUK9F6kP-gGexeQn3Vm8bVRAIoIZblpDJGclmq16OU5oSybeck8lTjEjpqwPivjL6P95ZkKeWOZIEGHRaHxhhg
My theory is that scientist were doing gain a function research using live tissues. They either genetically introduced the key mechanisms or altered one and it spread rapidly and was highly infectious when inside the biolab. Lets be frank china prob isn't the best at containing anything especially with the report of an accident prior. The virus could have been under study and mutated under specific conditions or was genetically altered to express certain mutations. Everything breaks down to the genetic code so alternating the genetic code will make certain genes get expressed and you can essentially play god. This is seen in genetically modified plants.
I do not think China wanted to unleash a global pandemic but it surely has covered a lot of things up and probability is not on their side.
Zoonotic host has not been identified. Unusual characteristics for a virus. Gain a function research has been theorized to induce pandemics. Wuhan institute of virology - accidents - mismanaged - chinas first biolab 4 the most dangerous viruses.
The Washington Post newspaper reported information obtained from diplomatic cables on 14 April. They show that, in 2018, US science diplomats were sent on repeated visits to a Chinese research facility.
Officials sent two warnings to Washington about the lab. The column says the officials were worried about safety and management weaknesses at the Wuhan Institute of Virology (WIV) and called for more help.
It also claims diplomats were concerned the lab's research on bat coronaviruses could risk a new Sars-like pandemic. The newspaper says the cables fuelled more recent discussions in the US government about whether the WIV or another lab in Wuhan could have been the source of the virus behind the current pandemic.
The Institute checked its coronavirus collection and found the new virus had 96% genetic similarity to RaTG13, a virus its researchers had discovered in horseshoe bats in southwest China.
It becomes harder and harder not to think that China didn't play a role in covering this up. It started in China. We saw the videos. It has 96% genetic similarities to viruses known to be studied in Wuhan. It 100% has several functions it has mutated in its genome. I find the probability these all mutated and became instantly infectious to humans to be very rare. It is already seemingly well adapted to human to human transmission. If it weren't we would not see it be this easily transmitted. It is most likely more infectious indoors because the lack of air flow. Indoors it is cramped and the virus can spread easily from droplets. This is why you have positive pressure rooms and suits they prevent stagnant (contaminated air) from leaving the biohood or room it also explains why this virus spread more in nursing homes and indoors. The addition of barriers will prevent mucous transmission for the most part. 
The main target seems to be the respiratory system. This would make any virus highly infectious. Imagine getting HIV or Hep C by talking to someone!
This is a highly controversial topic and I have not been looking to go into a rabbit hole but its almost impossible given the information. You look at gain a function research, SARS and MERS, Wuhan, spread, infection, research.
The initial host has not been identified. It is also suspicious that the hosts are likely to be test animals. Bats are used in virus research because they are immune to lots of dangerous viruses like ebola and SARS.
https://phys.org/news/2019-01-bat-borne-virus-ebola.html
The other scary hole this drags you into is what exactly are viruses? They sure as hell want to infect cells of other animals and they evolutionary develop to become more contagious and more prolific.
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Re: Viral outbreak in China - Coronavirus Pandemic 2020 [Re: feevers] 1
#26846488 - 07/26/20 05:25 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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its not like everyone on a ventilator already cant breathe. But when they come off of it something happens to where their lungs are still relying on a machine which causes them to suffocate. You should only be put on a ventilator if you really CANNOT breathe
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Re: Viral outbreak in China - Coronavirus Pandemic 2020 [Re: Saul Ptamets]
#26846495 - 07/26/20 05:31 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Re: Viral outbreak in China - Coronavirus Pandemic 2020 [Re: Niffla] 2
#26846548 - 07/26/20 06:19 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Niffla said: One good thing at least is that the early covid panic with the rush to get food and supplies to buy us all some time in the event of the impending apocalypse has proved to be not anything close to what everyone all initially feared.
Grocery stores, at least around here in Dallas (and Dallas has been one of the harder hit cities recently suffering quite a tough second wave) are still completely fine with no shortages. And this is after the first huge panic and then another large wave and things are still fine as far as the shelves go. Just walking though the store yesterday one wouldn't even know we were in the midst of a pandemic if you just judged the shelves.
I told people way back in this thread you only need to prepare for 2 weeks of quarantine not 6 months in a bomb shelter. I still have a few frozen steaks from that first run, food distribution system will be fine, I'm back to regular weekly shopping.
My city is fucked, they want to go back to fully open, but during normal times our public transit trains are packed shoulder to shoulder with commuters during rush hour. We can't go back to packed trains with social distance and there isn't enough parking for everyone to drive. We would need every downtown business to stagger the open/close times over several hours to be even close to safe commuting. Fully opened economy equals packed subways all over the world, I think there will have to always be some degree of lockdown until there is a cure. Otherwise we open, outbreak happens, we re close and the cycle goes on forever. But many businesses cannot just open and close like that. This is going to be next level devastating.
And I see every eatery here now has a patio, that's good for about 6 more weeks but no one is sitting on patios here in October. All my favorite little bars are going to get decimated. And I feel like a POS hypocrite for posting messages of support for my favorite indy movie theater on facebook and being too afraid to go to screenings. I am too afraid to get on a plane to go see my family. And even if I did my elderly parents are locked down and i could at best wave at them from a parking lot.
Movies, flying, bars, education, transit, these things are all going to change forever. Post covid world is going to be a very different place, and not in a better way. I may never jump in the pit at a punk show again, or have a stripper rub her ass in my face. The list just goes on and on....
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Re: Viral outbreak in China - Coronavirus Pandemic 2020 [Re: viraldrome] 1
#26846553 - 07/26/20 06:23 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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viraldrome said: or have a stripper rub her ass in my face. The list just goes on and on....
I was just thinking about this like last night. Strip clubs are so fucked from this. Strip clubs still are still all virtually closed for the most part, right?
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