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Re: Viral outbreak in China [Re: CookieCrumbs] * 2
    #26799559 - 07/02/20 02:40 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Also hey if you get tested or think you have symptoms of covid get a pulse oximeter to measure your O2 levels.


It may well have saved my aunt's life.


Cuz she had been sent home 3x before this.



They just don't have the resources or time to keep a close eye on everyone.


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Re: Viral outbreak in China [Re: CookieCrumbs] * 3
    #26799915 - 07/02/20 05:34 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Yeah a pulse oximeter is a good thing to have in the tool bag, it can also let you know if you are chronically hypoxic (below or around 90%) which can be caused by many conditions.  I have a very fancy one from when my mom was sick, and use it daily since the outbreak. 

Side note:Can also be used for intense cardio to know when you are getting into the anaerobic range of training. (though its a bitch to keep on your  finger, I use medical tape.


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Re: Viral outbreak in China [Re: Ice9]
    #26800522 - 07/02/20 11:34 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

My town. :kingcrankey:

https://www.abc15.com/entertainment/events/tempe-bar-varsity-tavern-under-investigation-for-allegedly-letting-employees-with-covid-19-keep-working?fbclid=IwAR2HP61WKRRxZahJQ5rVUS0YVlSo4IZEQrz42Eu1rgoxfYnAK2oJ4QhmRdw


y: Josh FrigerioPosted at 12:54 PM, Jul 02, 2020 and last updated 7:58 PM, Jul 02, 2020
TEMPE, AZ — A Tempe bar is under investigation for allegedly allowing employees who had tested positive for COVID-19 to continue working, and for violating the governor's executive order to enforce social distancing measures, the Arizona Department of Liquor Licenses and Control said Thursday.

According to a news release, Varsity Tavern, a bar and restaurant in downtown Tempe, reportedly told the Arizona Department of Liquor on Wednesday that it had closed in light of the investigation. Its license has been deemed inactive, which bars them from buying or selling alcohol.

John Cocca, director of the department, will seek to revoke the venue's liquor license, the news release said.

Among the alleged violations:

Multiple instances where management required or permitted employees who had tested positive to continue working
Management failed to take appropriate measures to notify the Arizona Department of Health Services (ADHS) or other agencies, employees, or customers that employees who had tested positive had worked while symptomatic
Management failed to create or enforce written policies in compliance with the executive order, CDC or ADHS guidelines
Management failed to enforce social distancing guidelines requiring masks or limiting groups to gather
Depending on the outcome of the investigation, penalties could include suspension or revocation of the bar's liquor license, and up to $3,000 in fines per violation, according to the notice given to Varsity Tavern. The Department of Liquor then shared copies of that notice with ABC15 and other news outlets.


Because of the seriousness of the charges, anyone with information is asked to call the Department’s Investigations Division at 602-542-9062.

Varsity Tavern has had its license suspended by the liquor department twice -- December 2018 and July 2019.

In the 2018 incident, Varsity Tavern agreed to a $15,500 fine to resolve four cases of allegedly serving minors alcohol.

In the July 2019 agreement, Varsity Tavern had its license summarily suspended by the Department of Liquor after a man who was believed to have been impaired fell or jumped off the second-story balcony onto the pavement below. In that case, Varsity Tavern agreed to a $24,000 fine, among other changes.

In both cases, the bar's liquor licenses were reinstated.

Last week, Arizona Gov. Doug Ducey issued an executive order requiring bars, gyms, movie theaters, water parks, and tubing operators, to pause their operations until July 27 in a renewed effort to slow the spread of COVID-19 in the state, which has seen record-increased in positive cases the last few weeks.

Those that defied the governor's order could have their liquor license suspended, if applicable, and/or face a fine up to $2,500, officials have said.

Enforcement has also increased with local police issuing citations and the Arizona Department of Liquor summarily suspending liquor licenses of businesses allegedly in violation of the order.

In June, Scottsdale police charged Riot House, a nightclub in Old Town Scottsdale, with a misdemeanor for allegedly failing to enforce social distancing or require customers or employees to wear a mask. Final warnings were also issued to eight other bars, restaurants, and nightclubs in Scottsdale.

On Tuesday and Wednesday, the Arizona Department of Liquor Licenses and Control summarily suspended liquor licenses at Life Time fitness centers in Phoenix and Scottsdale, who have defied the governor's order and remained open. Mountainside Fitness has also been cited by multiple police agencies for remaining open. The CEO of Mountainside Fitness has filed a lawsuit against the state believing the executive order was arbitrarily applied to certain industries.


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Re: Viral outbreak in China [Re: mndfreeze]
    #26800547 - 07/03/20 12:09 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Too bad they didn't simulate coughing into your arm. You'd think that would have an effect similar to wearing a bandana.



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Re: Global Coronavirus Pandemic 2020 - Phase 2 [Re: CookieCrumbs]
    #26800644 - 07/03/20 02:47 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Sorry about your Aunt Cookies. Ive heard ahout those O2 monitors. Do u breathe into them like a breathalizer? Not sure how they work....

Glad to hear Texas has stepped up and made masks mandatory. Bout fuckin time! U watching this Florida?!


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Re: Global Coronavirus Pandemic 2020 - Phase 2 [Re: LogicaL Chaos] * 1
    #26800656 - 07/03/20 03:03 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

pulse oximeters are what look like sorta like a plastic finger splint almost, or a plastic clip you put on your finger. you likely have encountered one before if you've seen a doctor fairly often in the last several years, especially if you've gone to the hospital for whatever reason - they basically spring it open the way you would with any old plastic clip for holding a bag of chips closed, then clamp it on your finger till it gives a reading (doesn't take very long, like less than a minute.)

uses an infrared light or something i think. it's a wild shot in the dark here, i'm too lazy to wiki it, but if i had to guess, i'd assume it uses the light to measure how detect how fast the bloods flowing to figure out the pulse rate and how much the light is getting reflected to detect the oxygen saturation (since more oxygen rich blood is a brighter red than depleted blood, it would reflect red light better - this is why your veins are bluish in color, because the blood is darker.)

that's a WILD GUESS though. don't take that as science, just someone who's sleepy and bored speculating how they might work! :P

oh, and you may have one already, in your smartphone. check your model - my samsung s7 does. the Samsung health app can measure it, if you do the "stress" test and your phone has the appropriate sensor. i'm not sure how "accurate" this is compared to a dedicated pulse oximeter device, but my phone usually measures me at around 70-90 bpm and around 93% to 96% O2 saturation. once in a while it goes up to 98% and sometimes as low as 92%. :frown: once it was 89%! either my device sucks or i got some lung problems...


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Re: Global Coronavirus Pandemic 2020 - Phase 2 [Re: Psion]
    #26800748 - 07/03/20 05:50 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Veins look blue because the vessel walls look blue. Blood inside the veins still looks red... have you never seen someone bleed?

That being said, the oximeter does use the difference in the color of oxygenated vs deoxygenated blood to work.


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Re: Global Coronavirus Pandemic 2020 - Phase 2 [Re: koods]
    #26801147 - 07/03/20 09:47 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

I wouldn't trust any consumer grade pulse oximeter. Medical ones are +/- 2%
Consumer grade are 4-5% +/- and you're looking for readings between 90-100.
Consider them a fun toy. Not an a reliable medical device.
medical ones in hospital settings are only just one part of the monitoring.


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Re: Viral outbreak in China [Re: mndfreeze]
    #26801287 - 07/03/20 11:18 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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My town. :kingcrankey:

https://www.abc15.com/entertainment/events/tempe-bar-varsity-tavern-under-investigation-for-allegedly-letting-employees-with-covid-19-keep-working?fbclid=IwAR2HP61WKRRxZahJQ5rVUS0YVlSo4IZEQrz42Eu1rgoxfYnAK2oJ4QhmRdw


y: Josh FrigerioPosted at 12:54 PM, Jul 02, 2020 and last updated 7:58 PM, Jul 02, 2020
TEMPE, AZ — A Tempe bar is under investigation for allegedly allowing employees who had tested positive for COVID-19 to continue working, and for violating the governor's executive order to enforce social distancing measures, the Arizona Department of Liquor Licenses and Control said Thursday.

According to a news release, Varsity Tavern, a bar and restaurant in downtown Tempe, reportedly told the Arizona Department of Liquor on Wednesday that it had closed in light of the investigation. Its license has been deemed inactive, which bars them from buying or selling alcohol.

John Cocca, director of the department, will seek to revoke the venue's liquor license, the news release said.

Among the alleged violations:

Multiple instances where management required or permitted employees who had tested positive to continue working
Management failed to take appropriate measures to notify the Arizona Department of Health Services (ADHS) or other agencies, employees, or customers that employees who had tested positive had worked while symptomatic
Management failed to create or enforce written policies in compliance with the executive order, CDC or ADHS guidelines
Management failed to enforce social distancing guidelines requiring masks or limiting groups to gather
Depending on the outcome of the investigation, penalties could include suspension or revocation of the bar's liquor license, and up to $3,000 in fines per violation, according to the notice given to Varsity Tavern. The Department of Liquor then shared copies of that notice with ABC15 and other news outlets.


Because of the seriousness of the charges, anyone with information is asked to call the Department’s Investigations Division at 602-542-9062.

Varsity Tavern has had its license suspended by the liquor department twice -- December 2018 and July 2019.

In the 2018 incident, Varsity Tavern agreed to a $15,500 fine to resolve four cases of allegedly serving minors alcohol.

In the July 2019 agreement, Varsity Tavern had its license summarily suspended by the Department of Liquor after a man who was believed to have been impaired fell or jumped off the second-story balcony onto the pavement below. In that case, Varsity Tavern agreed to a $24,000 fine, among other changes.

In both cases, the bar's liquor licenses were reinstated.

Last week, Arizona Gov. Doug Ducey issued an executive order requiring bars, gyms, movie theaters, water parks, and tubing operators, to pause their operations until July 27 in a renewed effort to slow the spread of COVID-19 in the state, which has seen record-increased in positive cases the last few weeks.

Those that defied the governor's order could have their liquor license suspended, if applicable, and/or face a fine up to $2,500, officials have said.

Enforcement has also increased with local police issuing citations and the Arizona Department of Liquor summarily suspending liquor licenses of businesses allegedly in violation of the order.

In June, Scottsdale police charged Riot House, a nightclub in Old Town Scottsdale, with a misdemeanor for allegedly failing to enforce social distancing or require customers or employees to wear a mask. Final warnings were also issued to eight other bars, restaurants, and nightclubs in Scottsdale.

On Tuesday and Wednesday, the Arizona Department of Liquor Licenses and Control summarily suspended liquor licenses at Life Time fitness centers in Phoenix and Scottsdale, who have defied the governor's order and remained open. Mountainside Fitness has also been cited by multiple police agencies for remaining open. The CEO of Mountainside Fitness has filed a lawsuit against the state believing the executive order was arbitrarily applied to certain industries.





I work in that industry and this is rampant currently all over.  Owners and workers either desperate or plain out negligent. I preemptively told work in staying home,  my husband is high risk,  and I flat out don't trust anyone but a couple of very close friends to respect my health.

Friend walked out of his cook gig 2 days ago because a coworker was waiting on her test results,  i guess she had possible exposure.  Came to work,  owners knew,  no one cared. 

You are 100% expendable to about half the population in the US. Only after their actions cause personal harm to themselves will they care and then it will be self justification rather than empathy for others.

Doesn't matter what is open the freedumb crowd will flood it beyond capacity and refuse to wear a mask. 
Everyone do yourself and others a solid and stay home the next month.


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Re: Global Coronavirus Pandemic 2020 - Phase 2 [Re: koods]
    #26801516 - 07/03/20 01:59 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

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Veins look blue because the vessel walls look blue. Blood inside the veins still looks red... have you never seen someone bleed?

That being said, the oximeter does use the difference in the color of oxygenated vs deoxygenated blood to work.




i don't think we're in disagreement here - just that the veins are bluish because the blood is darker, so the blood vessels bluish color stands out more for blood heading back to the lungs to be re-oxygenated.


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Re: Global Coronavirus Pandemic 2020 - Phase 2 [Re: Psion]
    #26801520 - 07/03/20 02:01 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

What are you comparing it to? Arteries aren’t visible at all.


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Re: Viral outbreak in China [Re: CookieCrumbs] * 2
    #26801542 - 07/03/20 02:11 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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Bad vibes today tbh. Got triggered and shit and found out my aunt and cousin and her baby daddy and the baby all have covid. Aunt isn't doing real well :frown:

Sucks cuz her husband my uncle in law committed suicide 4 years ago on Easter after a long battle with crippling injuries and depression.

Bad vibes man.

People with complicated home lives, poor people, can't afford social distance. They also can't afford to get sick. Lose fucking lose.



My aunt got admitted this morning. She's in the ICU. The staff said she's the healthiest one in there despite, ya know, not being able to fucking breathe.


That's... scary.



And I'm mad basically no one can visit her.



My aunt and my uncle in law baby sat us when me and my bro were little. I baby sat my cousin when she was little. Sucks to see all the shit they've gone through as we all got older. Sucks I can't do much to be there for them when they've been there for me. They're family man. What family should be.

Something most of the rest of my family didn't really make the cut for.



Fuck China, fuck the US government, and fuck all these stupid kids. People. People with the consciousness of children.

Being locked away and helpless is the shitty thing man.





An update. My cousin was admitted last night. She's 22.
They moved her from the ICU to a regular room because they ran out of beds for sicker patients.


I could slap the shit out of the politicians that are saying that it's not rising, there's just better testing.

No if ICU rooms are filling up it's not only rising but it's also probably worse than it was in wave 1. Unless people were causally at home instead. Which I don't think they were.


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Re: Viral outbreak in China [Re: CookieCrumbs]
    #26801644 - 07/03/20 03:04 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

So sorry to hear that Cookie :sad: We love ya :hug:


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Re: Viral outbreak in China [Re: CookieCrumbs] * 1
    #26801752 - 07/03/20 04:05 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

:sad: Hang in there Cousin of Cookies! :sad:


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Re: Viral outbreak in China [Re: LogicaL Chaos] * 1
    #26801922 - 07/03/20 05:45 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Sorry to hear that, hope it all turns out well CC. Hospitals have learned a lot about how to treat it so they're likely in very good hands.


My mom's biopsies came back today, they took 10 of them from various spots around the pancreas, liver, kidneys and the large mass she has on her intestines. All negative for cancer, along with the fluid they drained from her lungs.

I feel like we should be relieved, but all signs point towards the post-covid systemic inflammation, which as far as I know they still don't know how to treat. She has stents in her kidneys and her liver that are keeping things flowing, but those are temporary so who knows what the next steps are. May have to section her intestine to clear the mass.

Honestly I'd really suggest everyone who feels like they might have it to go get tested as soon as you can, that way at least if something pops up later on you can tie it back. Also if you're having any symptoms in any of the known organs it affects, go get it checked even if you never had covid symptoms. Her only symptom after the suspected COVID passed was a lack of appetite. If she had waited longer her kidneys likely would have failed. Her creatinine tripled above the norm in 4 days.

I'm having my own issues with either my kidneys, bladder or prostate. Haven't slept in weeks since Im up peeing all night. Doc thinks its prostatitis and wants me on 7 weeks of antibiotics, but Im testing negative for bacteria so she said it's likely an inflammation issue. My private stash of muscle relaxers help which makes me think that as well, so Im avoiding the meds. Going to get ultrasounds if it lasts another week.

This is a weird fucking time, how do we not have a widely available and accurare antibody test yet? How are we slicing the budget allocated to researching a novel pandemic virus that has barely even started picking up speed? Rhetorical questions, I guess.


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Re: Viral outbreak in China [Re: feevers]
    #26801980 - 07/03/20 06:13 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

I like how we argue about masks while they get away with all that.

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Re: Viral outbreak in China [Re: mushboy]
    #26802003 - 07/03/20 06:25 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

I'd guess it has a lot to do with the fact that they and everyone around them have access to quick and reliable testing anytime they want, top class healthcare, and have careers that by design are largely unaffected by whatever happens.

I'd also guess that if we told politicians that if the death/hospitalization count reached a certain level, along with actual economic markers (not the dow jones), that they'd be voted out.. we'd be looking at a response that mimicked a war time mobilization towards tackling the problem.

But the system worked as designed, and tribal politics muddied the waters to the benefit only of the elite.


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Re: Viral outbreak in China [Re: feevers]
    #26802026 - 07/03/20 06:37 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Word

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Re: Viral outbreak in China [Re: mushboy]
    #26802071 - 07/03/20 06:56 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

IDK, I'm not elite and never had any issue. 
Then again I don't subscribe to the apocalyptic narrative.


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Re: Viral outbreak in China [Re: feevers] * 2
    #26802077 - 07/03/20 07:00 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

So sorry CC a horrible scary ass thing to go through. Praying for them don't know what else to say but I'm so sorry


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