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Re: Viral outbreak in China [COVID 19 aka. SARS-CoV-2 aka "Wuhan Coronavirus"] [Re: tomnl]
    #26523190 - 03/08/20 01:04 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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16 million




You sure?



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Re: Viral outbreak in China [COVID 19 aka. SARS-CoV-2 aka "Wuhan Coronavirus"] [Re: tomnl]
    #26523192 - 03/08/20 01:05 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

Dude!!! :holyfuckdude:

Italy has about 60 Million people: https://www.worldometers.info/world-population/italy-population/


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Re: Viral outbreak in China [COVID 19 aka. SARS-CoV-2 aka "Wuhan Coronavirus"] [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
    #26523197 - 03/08/20 01:09 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

I'm satisfied with this logic.


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Re: Viral outbreak in China [COVID 19 aka. SARS-CoV-2 aka "Wuhan Coronavirus"] [Re: SpiritualSnorkel]
    #26523376 - 03/08/20 05:20 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

Just bought some extra toiletpaper and stocked my freezer with another couple kgs of beef and chicken

I expect a total lockdown here in the next two weeks


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Re: Viral outbreak in China [COVID 19 aka. SARS-CoV-2 aka "Wuhan Coronavirus"] [Re: Tripsurfer] * 1
    #26523383 - 03/08/20 05:24 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

Sell tulips, buy Gouda.


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Re: Viral outbreak in China [COVID 19 aka. SARS-CoV-2 aka "Wuhan Coronavirus"] [Re: ninja cat 09] * 1
    #26523527 - 03/08/20 08:20 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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ninja cat 09 said:
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Remember kids more than 500mg of vitamin C per day is counterproductive and harmful. 100mg is plenty



You got a source for that? My doc has me on 2 grams :uhoh:




Google? Its common knowledge for 30+ years.
Too much vitamin C turns it into a pro oxidant rather than an antioxidant. The body can only use so much
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Vitamin C is practically nontoxic, however, its large doses (500 mg/d or more) can cause alimentary tract disturbances (nausea, pyrosis and diarrhea), enhanced urination with a feeling of burning, and also erythrocyte hemolysis during glucose-6-phosphate dehydrogenase (G-6-PD) and vitamin B12 deficiency. To put this in perspective most people aim for 1000mg per dose with 2000 to 6000mg per day being a common dose. 500mg per day is a relatively low dose for vitamin C supplements.

By inducing severe urine acidification, such doses impair the excretion of weak acids and bases, which may result in the precipitation of cystinate and urate depositions in the urinary tract, leading to the formation of renal calculi. Vitamin C doses > 1g/d elevate blood and urinary oxalic acid concentrations to a degree increasing the risk of calculi formation from calcium oxalate. Thus, such large doses should not be administered in chronic renal failure, cystinuria, predisposition to gout, urate and oxalate calculosis. Therapeutically applied vitamin C increases blood sodium concentration and decreases potassium concentration which can lead to deficiency of the latter. Also, it negatively impacts on some drugs taken, causing vitamin B12 destruction (therefore, the two vitamins should not be administered in combination), and augments amphetamine derivative and tricyclic antidepressant drug elimination by inhibiting their reabsorption in renal tubules. Due to its chemical incompatibility, vitamin C should not be administered with drugs which have oxidizing properties. By acidifying the urine, it can lead to the crystallization of urine excreted p-aminosalicylic acid and sulphonamides. The use of high-dose vitamin C yields false results in body fluid analyses performed with the use of methods based on redox reactions, e.g. determinations of bilirubin, glucose, or creatinine concentrations, and LDH or AspAT activity.

High doses of vitamin C hamper copper absorption and inhibit copper-containing ceruloplasmin and superoxide dismutase (Cu,Zn-SOD) activities . In contrast, they enhance iron absorption to the harmful degree in individuals with its excessive intestinal absorption, and also in those with increased blood iron concentration, and with hemochromatosis, sideroblastic anemia or thalassemia (where the symptoms exacerbate. The excess unbound iron accumulates in the tissues and skin, irritates gastrointestinal mucosa, causes intoxication, and contributes to the prooxidant effects of vitamin C.






https://atpscience.com/the-great-vitamin-c-hoax/



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Re: Viral outbreak in China [COVID 19 aka. SARS-CoV-2 aka "Wuhan Coronavirus"] [Re: bodhisatta]
    #26523540 - 03/08/20 08:29 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

No shit, I chew a 1000 mg tablet every day :eek:


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Re: Viral outbreak in China [COVID 19 aka. SARS-CoV-2 aka "Wuhan Coronavirus"] [Re: Tripsurfer] * 1
    #26523542 - 03/08/20 08:31 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

All because some quack phd nobel prize winning doctor said so and was debunked ages ago.

Autism and vaccines was the same thing, quack Doctor. Now it will be decades before that non-truth gets erased from pop culture.

Too much vitamin C it begins to act on metals producing reactive oxygen species. Aka oxidants and free radicals


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Re: Viral outbreak in China [COVID 19 aka. SARS-CoV-2 aka "Wuhan Coronavirus"] [Re: bodhisatta]
    #26523571 - 03/08/20 08:46 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

Imma break those tablets in half from now on :thumbup:


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Re: Viral outbreak in China [COVID 19 aka. SARS-CoV-2 aka "Wuhan Coronavirus"] [Re: Tripsurfer] * 3
    #26523578 - 03/08/20 08:51 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

Luckily most of that tablet is probably wasted if you took it all at once anyway.

I personally wouldn't take any vitamin C supplements. Your diet isn't completely shit you're already getting more than plenty.

Besides most vitamin C is produced by the Monsanto method of having gmo aspergillus create it in bioractors. And if I had to guess most people eating vitamin C supplements hate Monsanto because of their poor critical thinking skills.

So if Monsanto = evil to you. Then avoid vitamin C


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Re: Viral outbreak in China [COVID 19 aka. SARS-CoV-2 aka "Wuhan Coronavirus"] [Re: bodhisatta]
    #26523592 - 03/08/20 09:03 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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bodhisatta said:
Quote:

ninja cat 09 said:
Quote:

bodhisatta said:
Remember kids more than 500mg of vitamin C per day is counterproductive and harmful. 100mg is plenty



You got a source for that? My doc has me on 2 grams :uhoh:




Google? Its common knowledge for 30+ years.
Too much vitamin C turns it into a pro oxidant rather than an antioxidant. The body can only use so much
Quote:


Vitamin C is practically nontoxic, however, its large doses (500 mg/d or more) can cause alimentary tract disturbances (nausea, pyrosis and diarrhea), enhanced urination with a feeling of burning, and also erythrocyte hemolysis during glucose-6-phosphate dehydrogenase (G-6-PD) and vitamin B12 deficiency. To put this in perspective most people aim for 1000mg per dose with 2000 to 6000mg per day being a common dose. 500mg per day is a relatively low dose for vitamin C supplements.

By inducing severe urine acidification, such doses impair the excretion of weak acids and bases, which may result in the precipitation of cystinate and urate depositions in the urinary tract, leading to the formation of renal calculi. Vitamin C doses > 1g/d elevate blood and urinary oxalic acid concentrations to a degree increasing the risk of calculi formation from calcium oxalate. Thus, such large doses should not be administered in chronic renal failure, cystinuria, predisposition to gout, urate and oxalate calculosis. Therapeutically applied vitamin C increases blood sodium concentration and decreases potassium concentration which can lead to deficiency of the latter. Also, it negatively impacts on some drugs taken, causing vitamin B12 destruction (therefore, the two vitamins should not be administered in combination), and augments amphetamine derivative and tricyclic antidepressant drug elimination by inhibiting their reabsorption in renal tubules. Due to its chemical incompatibility, vitamin C should not be administered with drugs which have oxidizing properties. By acidifying the urine, it can lead to the crystallization of urine excreted p-aminosalicylic acid and sulphonamides. The use of high-dose vitamin C yields false results in body fluid analyses performed with the use of methods based on redox reactions, e.g. determinations of bilirubin, glucose, or creatinine concentrations, and LDH or AspAT activity.

High doses of vitamin C hamper copper absorption and inhibit copper-containing ceruloplasmin and superoxide dismutase (Cu,Zn-SOD) activities . In contrast, they enhance iron absorption to the harmful degree in individuals with its excessive intestinal absorption, and also in those with increased blood iron concentration, and with hemochromatosis, sideroblastic anemia or thalassemia (where the symptoms exacerbate. The excess unbound iron accumulates in the tissues and skin, irritates gastrointestinal mucosa, causes intoxication, and contributes to the prooxidant effects of vitamin C.






https://atpscience.com/the-great-vitamin-c-hoax/






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Re: Viral outbreak in China [COVID 19 aka. SARS-CoV-2 aka "Wuhan Coronavirus"] [Re: bodhisatta] * 4
    #26523604 - 03/08/20 09:09 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

Hi folks,

Live report from Italy, here. I live in a small town not far from Florence. The zone of Florence is not a "red zone" yet, but inside the city of Florence you can see the 1/5 of the usual people on the street. Empty trains and so on. From some days: no school for the youth, no mass for the Catholics, no fun for the others. From today, even here, discos and other clubs closed. Open only restaurants that guarantee at least 1.5 meters (around 60 inch) distance between customers. Any type of public meeting of large number people is prohibited. Yesterday night, people of Milan knew in advance of the coming quarantine (yes, we are in Italy) and stormed the last train heading south. Really weird situation. Now I am going to a party (a private one) whit my friends. Who know, maybe it's the last time (and maybe the police will decide to arrive and to close it; it's barely legal to have a private party). Honestly, I fear the panic of the crowd more than the virus. And I fear the panic of the LEO more than the panic of the crowd.....
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Re: Viral outbreak in China [COVID 19 aka. SARS-CoV-2 aka "Wuhan Coronavirus"] [Re: OpenQwerty]
    #26523702 - 03/08/20 10:26 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

It sucks, but I think Italy is acting responsibly. The UK has so many cities with confirmed cases now, yet they do absolutely nothing. I'm 90% sure things will get out of hand in the UK in the following weeks and at some point, they will have no choice but to make some drastic choices. Shitty time for UK's economic, I wonder if Boris is happy to have this opportunity to be the hero in the end.


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Re: Viral outbreak in China [COVID 19 aka. SARS-CoV-2 aka "Wuhan Coronavirus"] [Re: 2bilas]
    #26523714 - 03/08/20 10:33 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

Someone at CPAC who shook hands with someone who shook hands with Trump just tested positive, wonder how many others did the same
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Re: Viral outbreak in China [COVID 19 aka. SARS-CoV-2 aka "Wuhan Coronavirus"] [Re: OpenQwerty]
    #26523780 - 03/08/20 11:32 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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Honestly, I fear the panic of the crowd more than the virus. And I fear the panic of the LEO more than the panic of the crowd.....
:feelsweirdman:




Same.

Everyone responding to the calm down, it's not that bad crowd, is like "well look at footage from Italy!"

And it's like... yeah the reaction to the thing is concerning because it is that reaction that is causing severe social disruption. Just because people are reacting doesn't mean a reaction like that is warranted. Politicians and authorities aren't experts on infectious disease. Much less experts on infectious disease and the frailties of social structure. They're experts in getting elected.



I think people forget that the most innovative age of mankind happened in the middle of a polio pandemic. With small pox, rabies, measles, hepatitis, tuberculosis, and numerous uncontrolled bacterial infections (like typhoid, cholera, leprosy, typhus) mixed in.

Once those things got out in the wider population the only thing we could do was make vaccines for them. And that's what we'll have to do for coronavirus if it isn't one of these viruses that die down on their own. We can't shut ourselves in and stop living while we wait for that to happen. In fact there's no reason to because it's not the spanish flu and people aren't dropping like flies. It's just another shitty virus that makes people sick and kills those that are vulnerable. Like almost every other virus of its nature that history has ever recorded and we dismiss out of hand.


Again we have lived with these things since the beginning of time. We've lived with our current social structure for a very short period of time. And I think it's entirely too susceptible to panic/hysteria.



I think we forget how much of a luxurious age we are living in. And we panic like sheltered children at the idea of anything disrupting that. Something surely eventually will... but this is not it.








I would hope some important people are taking note of how ill prepared we are for a serious pandemic that is wildly contagious and lethal... but I'm sure they'll draw the wrong conclusions.
But at least we're getting some great data so in the year 2400 we can look back and easily point out the problem and shake our heads about how silly more primitive men were.

I'll leave with this, too, and probably drop it for a while.

https://www.ncdemography.org/2014/06/16/mortality-and-cause-of-death-1900-v-2010/
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Although mortality from infectious diseases declined dramatically, the emergence of chronic (HIV/AIDS) and drug resistant (TB) infectious diseases reminds us that infectious diseases are “volatile” by nature and highlights the importance of being “vigilant over the threats posed by microbes.” In spite of the changing nature of disease, health inequalities in disease burden and mortality persist. Jones and colleagues remind us that these disparities are challenges to both “our scientific knowledge and political will.”

Genetic variations don’t explain why mortality rates double as you cross Boston Harbor from Back Bay to Charlestown or walk up Fifth Avenue from midtown Manhattan into Harlem…. Disparities in health and disease are outcomes that are contingent on the ways society structures the lives and risks of individuals.





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Re: Viral outbreak in China [COVID 19 aka. SARS-CoV-2 aka "Wuhan Coronavirus"] [Re: CookieCrumbs] * 2
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Re: Viral outbreak in China [COVID 19 aka. SARS-CoV-2 aka "Wuhan Coronavirus"] [Re: cannabinated]
    #26523891 - 03/08/20 12:43 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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For the "just a flu" people:  8:25


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Re: Viral outbreak in China [COVID 19 aka. SARS-CoV-2 aka "Wuhan Coronavirus"] [Re: Asante]
    #26523955 - 03/08/20 01:30 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

It is though. When a new strain that is highly contagious breaks out it infects more because the immune system is less prepared to ward against it. As it spreads and infects more people the infection rate will go down.

The spanish flu was the H1N1 strain. Or a variant of it. I reflected on the last outbreak some pages back, it killed a whole lot less people than the spanish flu.


Like this is what you'd expect to see with a new strain of something as lethal and contagious as the common flu.



Now if officials and media are inducing concern simply because people are stupid and don't protect themselves and their loved ones from cotangents regularly... okay. That's cool. I guess.

I also reflected earlier on the fact that I don't like that people are really fucking stupid about spreading their shit. But at least we aren't 1900 or 1850 stupid.

There's alot of evidence that infection rates and mortality of most infectious disease have gone down a great deal just because we're more sanitary.

So. Just fucking be sanitary.





And for the love of god, dear sweet ignorant officials, do something about service and restaurant workers having to work while they're sick.

There's so much evidence that we have put pathogens down thanks to how we structure our societies and then shit like this happens and we don't even talk about the next step. The next step is paid sick leave and enforcing it.

When I worked at Amazon we had 2 days sick leave and 2 days vacation. And they acted like that was a great act of charity. Sad to say, in the warehouse industry, it is. So if my kid gets sick and then I get sick... well fuck your packages, have fun opening a box of COVID19.



Seriously we need to reflect on how we're doing things if we're going to decide to give a shit.


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Re: Viral outbreak in China [COVID 19 aka. SARS-CoV-2 aka "Wuhan Coronavirus"] [Re: CookieCrumbs]
    #26523977 - 03/08/20 01:50 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

You think paper currency is a vector for COVID?

I've read there was some concern about the products handled by infected Chinese folks being shipped out but it seems unlikely to survive and be an issue with the travel times of goods.

But locally- paper currency can move around much more quickly.

Imagine someone sick is in line at the grocery store, gas station, anywhere that takes cash... a sneeze, cough, covering face with hands then pulling out that cotton absorbent money to pay.

Not only is that put in a drawer with all the other cash, but it is likely given to the next person that gets cash back or change for a hundo. The cashier is also handling all the other bills as they come and go...

Not likely to transmit overseas in boxes, but cash is like passing a little dirty towel that never gets washed around very quickly.

Edit* Found this after I posted. I guess there is some concern at least.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.interestingengineering.com/dirty-money-banknotes-become-contaminated-with-covid-19

Edit 2- NY Times wrote about dirty money in 2018.

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At the microscopic level, because cash is so highly trafficked, it becomes a sort of palimpsest that records all the hands and back pockets and piggy banks it has passed through, accreting a kind of monetary microbiome. A study of $1 bills in New York identified a total of 397 bacterial species. Swiss researchers discovered that when they smeared bills with mucus from children with the flu, the virus lived for up to 12 days. Bank notes also retain evidence of our recreational habits. Ninety-five percent of the currency researchers tested from Washington showed traces of cocaine; in Macao, 98 percent contained ketamine.




https://www.nytimes.com/2018/03/20/magazine/how-to-clean-paper-currency.html



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Re: Viral outbreak in China [COVID 19 aka. SARS-CoV-2 aka "Wuhan Coronavirus"] [Re: susurrador]
    #26524006 - 03/08/20 02:07 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

I've been considering getting a sack of gold clad dollars for that reason.  Probably won't though because cards are still working and if that stops it'll be looting time anyway.

I told my dad to wear gloves when handling cash and keep his wallet in a plastic bag he can wipe down


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