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Re: Viral outbreak in China - Coronavirus Pandemic 2020 [Re: larry.fisherman] 1
#26762421 - 06/21/20 07:50 AM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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I went out to eat yesterday, without a mask, in Georgia. I FEEL THE COVID IN MY LUNGS!
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Re: Viral outbreak in China - Coronavirus Pandemic 2020 [Re: larry.fisherman]
#26762422 - 06/21/20 07:51 AM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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larry.fisherman said: You've been active in this thread for this long and you're still not learning anything. At this point you're just being willfully ignorant. The reason you know the term "flatten the curve" is because it wasn't about stopping it, it was about the overall load on the healthcare system which as it increases causes a decrease in available critical care. This is why Italy had so many deaths all at once. The hospitals became overloaded. I don't know what's so complicated about that idea. How the hell can you compare it to seasonal flu when the whole planet has taken precautions?
Please, what am I missing?
They didn't want to overload hospitals but shut down clinics???
What have you learned?
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Re: Viral outbreak in China - Coronavirus Pandemic 2020 [Re: FSHuntings]
#26762429 - 06/21/20 07:55 AM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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FSHuntings said: I went out to eat yesterday, without a mask, in Georgia. I FEEL THE COVID IN MY LUNGS!
Hahahaha
I'm on vacation in door county. I've seen like 15 masks all week.
Also there's no economic model where people from every income level are going to be ok missing multiple weeks of work.
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Re: Viral outbreak in China - Coronavirus Pandemic 2020 [Re: bodhisatta]
#26762451 - 06/21/20 08:20 AM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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Here's a thought. Entertainment I suppose, to answer a question.
Why are people not continuing to drop dead from Covid19, even though so many are becoming infected?
Oxygen.
Plant life is flourishing, filtering out all those nasty air pollutants causing respiratory issues. Like CO2.
Covid causes hypoxia. . .
More oxygen to breathe = less hypoxia. . .
Less hypoxia = less organ failure. . .
Wrap your brains around this hypothesis. . .
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Re: Viral outbreak in China - Coronavirus Pandemic 2020 [Re: HamHead]
#26762452 - 06/21/20 08:21 AM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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There's not more oxygen though.
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Re: Viral outbreak in China - Coronavirus Pandemic 2020 [Re: HamHead] 2
#26762470 - 06/21/20 08:33 AM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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HamHead said: Here's a thought. Entertainment I suppose, to answer a question.
Why are people not continuing to drop dead from Covid19, even though so many are becoming infected?
Oxygen.
Plant life is flourishing, filtering out all those nasty air pollutants causing respiratory issues. Like CO2.
Covid causes hypoxia. . .
More oxygen to breathe = less hypoxia. . .
Less hypoxia = less organ failure. . .
Wrap your brains around this hypothesis. . .
That's a pretty dumb hypothesis. Srry had to say it
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Re: Viral outbreak in China - Coronavirus Pandemic 2020 [Re: bodhisatta]
#26762475 - 06/21/20 08:37 AM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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bodhisatta said: There's not more oxygen though.
Right. More CO2 then?
Thanks for not throwing shit at me.
I don't have a mask on.
Here's this.
https://www.npr.org/2013/08/08/210243967/swinging-co2-levels-show-the-earth-is-breathing-more-deeply#:~:text=There's%20more%20carbon%20dioxide%20in,and%20winter%2C%22%20Graven%20explains.
"Swinging CO2 Levels Show The Earth Is 'Breathing' More Deeply August 8, 20135:05 PM ET
Plant life on our planet soaks up a fair amount of the carbon dioxide that pours out of our tailpipes and smokestacks. Plants take it up during the summer and return some of it to the air in the winter. And a new study shows that those "breaths" have gotten deeper over the past 50 years.
This isn't just a curiosity. Plant life is helping to reduce the speed at which carbon dioxide is building up in our atmosphere. That's slowing the global warming, at least marginally, so scientists are eager to understand how this process works. The new study provides some clues.
If you look at the graph of carbon dioxide concentrations in the atmosphere, you'll notice that it has climbed sharply over the past five decades, from about 315 parts per million to 400 parts per million. But that's not the whole story.
 This chart shows the levels of atmospheric carbon dioxide as measured from Point Barrow, Alaska, from 1974 to 2007. Not only has the general trend ticked upward, but the size of the seasonal swings (the "saw tooth" pattern) has increased year to year.
"In addition to this steady increase caused by fossil fuel combustion and other human activities, there's a regular seasonal cycle of CO2 concentration," says Heather Graven, a postdoctoral researcher at the Scripps Institution of Oceanography.
The graph actually looks like the edge of a saw. The annual zigzag follows the seasons. There's more carbon dioxide in the winter and a bit less in the summer. That's the collective breathing of all the plants in the Northern Hemisphere.
"Plants are accumulating carbon in the spring and summer when they're active, and they're releasing carbon back to the air in the fall and winter," Graven explains.
And that up-and-down pattern contains important clues about the plants that grab that carbon dioxide and use it to grow.
Scientists at Scripps and elsewhere are publishing a new study that looks at that global breathing pattern in detail. The new data include air samples taken from an airplane that flew repeatedly over the Pacific Ocean, from one pole to the other, to look for small differences in carbon dioxide.
The group reports in Science magazine that the teeth in that saw-tooth pattern have grown bigger over the past 50 years.
"The vegetation is taking deeper breaths, if you will," Graven says.
In particular, that is happening in the far northern parts of the planet, mostly the boreal forest and the Arctic tundra. And Graven says you can actually see changes in the vegetation from space and in aerial photographs.
"The area covered by forest in these northern latitudes has grown over the past few decades, so there's more forests," she says. "We've also seen that some species and ecosystems have been migrating pole-ward," she says.
Some of the biggest changes are in the open fields of the Arctic, the tundra.
"The really big visual difference is the amount of shrubs, which is increasing greatly," says Steven Oberbauer, a plant physiologist at Florida International University. He has witnessed these big changes firsthand at his research sites in northern Alaska. But Oberbauer says the story isn't quite so simple.
True, plants are taking up carbon dioxide. But this plant growth is also changing the ecosystems. For example, Arctic shrubs hold onto snow that would otherwise blow away, "and that snow makes an insulation blanket, basically, over the soil, which allows the soil to be warmer in the winter."
Warmer soil is likely to release carbon dioxide that's stored there, and that could be very worrisome.
"The kicker for the Arctic is there's a huge amount of carbon stored in the peat there, in the organic soils, and if that were to be released into the atmosphere, it would increase the atmospheric CO2 concentrations enormously," Oberbauer says. And this would have repercussions far beyond the Arctic. Climate change means more sea-level rise back at Oberbauer's home in Florida.
Oberbauer was not involved in the study that's being published in Science, but he says it should help the many scientists who have been trying to figure out the fate of all that carbon dioxide. There are other lines of evidence that suggest what's happening in the Arctic is not the whole story."
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Now, I understand this article is a little old at 2013. If there's a curve we should look at flattening, it's that ramp of CO2 and other greenhouse gasses.
Lets look at CO2, Hypercapnia & Hypoxia.
https://study.com/academy/lesson/hypercapnia-hypoxia.html#:~:text=Hypoxia,blood%20is%20known%20as%20hypoxemia.&text=Both%20hypercapnia%20and%20hypoxia%20are%20very%20serious%20and%20require%20immediate%20medical%20treatment.
"We need just the right amount of oxygen and carbon dioxide in our bodies in order for our bodies to function properly. Two conditions can occur when this doesn't happen. These are called hypercapnia and hypoxia.
Teetering Oxygen and Carbon Dioxide
Do you remember playing on a seesaw or teeter totter when you were younger? You know, the long board that had a metal support in the middle and you and a playmate sat on opposite ends. You guys would make it level so you could both get on and then would use your weight and legs to make your side go up or down. As you did this, you and your playmate would be in exact opposite positions. When you were up, your playmate was down, and when you were down, your playmate was up. The only time you were in the same spot is when you both worked to keep the board flat by balancing each other's weight.
There are two gases that we breathe that work in the same manner. We normally inhale oxygen or O2 and exhale carbon dioxide or CO2. This should happen in a manner where they are balanced so that the body maintains the proper amounts of each at any given point in time. You can almost imagine oxygen and carbon dioxide being on opposite ends of the seesaw. If the gases are being exchanged properly, then the board is flat, going straight across. But as soon as one gas goes up or increases, then the other gas is usually going to go down or decrease. This can cause conditions like hypercapnia and hypoxia.
Hypercapnia First let's take a look at hypercapnia. When the gas seesaw swings in the direction of carbon dioxide being increased in the body, it creates a condition called hypercapnia. Hypercapnia is a term that refers to abnormally high levels of carbon dioxide in the blood.
As CO2 accumulates in the blood, you'll see symptoms like difficulty thinking clearly, headaches, and sleepiness. More severe or longer lasting cases of hypercapnia may cause symptoms like dizziness, excessively fast breathing and heart rates, increase in blood pressure, twitching of the muscles, and skin flushing.
Hypoxia Now keep in mind that when CO2 in the blood is up, as in hypercapnia, then O2 must be down. A decrease or less than the normal amount of oxygen in the blood is known as hypoxemia. And if there isn't enough oxygen in the blood, then there won't be enough oxygen getting to the organs of the body, which is a condition we term hypoxia.
Hypoxia is, of course, a very serious condition for the body since every organ in the body needs oxygen in order to function. It doesn't take very long for symptoms to occur as the organs of the body begin to suffer from the lack of necessary oxygen.
 Hypoxia causes the brain to make changes in body functions
One of the most noticeable symptoms is bluish skin color. Since hypoxia and hypercapnia tend to go hand-in-hand, there are some symptoms that are seen in both conditions. These include confusion and excessively fast heart and breathing rates. Other symptoms that appear specifically due to hypoxia are wheezing, coughing, shortness of breath, and sweating. These symptoms are due to your heart pumping blood faster in order to try to get oxygenated blood out to the organs of the body. Both hypercapnia and hypoxia are very serious and require immediate medical treatment. . ."
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And then???
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Re: Viral outbreak in China - Coronavirus Pandemic 2020 [Re: HamHead] 2
#26762506 - 06/21/20 08:56 AM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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So much death today from Covid. Would you look at that, +2.
I may get a +2 on this post.

And yeah, I see that +19 up there. So what. 19? Seriously?
Guess all these mask people can't figure out how to wear properly, are working.
Now do yesterday
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Re: Viral outbreak in China - Coronavirus Pandemic 2020 [Re: trees]
#26762526 - 06/21/20 09:04 AM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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trees said: That's a pretty dumb hypothesis. Srry had to say it
It's ok. I'm happy you even considered it.
This is how science is done. You say I'm wrong and I'll keep pulling evidence saying otherwise.
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Re: Viral outbreak in China - Coronavirus Pandemic 2020 [Re: HamHead]
#26762573 - 06/21/20 09:29 AM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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trees said: That's a pretty dumb hypothesis. Srry had to say it
It's ok. I'm happy you even considered it.
This is how science is done. You say I'm wrong and I'll keep pulling evidence saying otherwise.
Why did you just spam this thread with a long copy pasta about CO2 when your theory is masks increase hypoxia, and co2 has nothing to do with causing hypoxia. CO2 does have an indirect effect on regulating breathing rates tho. Higher CO2 levels generally tend to raise blood oxygen levels through increased breathing rates.
Can you provide any data that masks cause you to rebreathe your own CO2? Where is it hiding? Between your face and the mask?
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Re: Viral outbreak in China - Coronavirus Pandemic 2020 [Re: koods]
#26762590 - 06/21/20 09:38 AM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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trees said: That's a pretty dumb hypothesis. Srry had to say it
It's ok. I'm happy you even considered it.
This is how science is done. You say I'm wrong and I'll keep pulling evidence saying otherwise.
Why did you just spam this thread with a long copy pasta about CO2 when your theory is masks increase hypoxia, and co2 has nothing to do with causing hypoxia. CO2 does have an indirect effect on regulating breathing rates tho. Higher CO2 levels generally tend to raise blood oxygen levels through increased breathing rates.
Can you provide any data that masks cause you to rebreathe your own CO2? Where is it hiding? Between your face and the mask?
One of the most noticeable symptoms is bluish skin color. Since hypoxia and hypercapnia tend to go hand-in-hand, there are some symptoms that are seen in both conditions.
It has been reported of covid paitents having blue lips or blue toes or blue in the face.
The CDC recommends seeking "medical attention immediately" for trouble breathing, persistent pain or pressure on chest, bluish lips or face or a new "confusion or inability to arouse."
Any relation? Not to mask of course, but to that CO2 article and how CO2 effects breathing.
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Re: Viral outbreak in China - Coronavirus Pandemic 2020 [Re: HamHead]
#26762632 - 06/21/20 10:02 AM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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Excess CO2 doesn’t cause hypoxia nor bluing of the lips.
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Re: Viral outbreak in China - Coronavirus Pandemic 2020 [Re: koods]
#26762659 - 06/21/20 10:14 AM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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koods said: Excess CO2 doesn’t cause hypoxia nor bluing of the lips.
Please, koods, do your own research.
Like I'm doing. It's why I copy paste, so you may see what I am seeing.
It's so easy to just say, it's a virus, without looking for any causes or correlation.
If people want to continue to cowar away in fear, so be it.
I'll continue to ask why.
I have learned a lot these past few months. Especially how people are treated when they go against a grain.
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Re: Viral outbreak in China - Coronavirus Pandemic 2020 [Re: HamHead] 2
#26762771 - 06/21/20 11:09 AM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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What the fuck are you even talking about.
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Re: Viral outbreak in China - Coronavirus Pandemic 2020 [Re: koods]
#26762781 - 06/21/20 11:15 AM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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koods said: What the fuck are you even talking about.
Coronaviruses. Disease. Immune systems. Health. Environment.
Why am I getting such a hard time sharing all this info.
If you don't like what have to say, please feel free to ignore me.
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Re: Viral outbreak in China - Coronavirus Pandemic 2020 [Re: HamHead]
#26762789 - 06/21/20 11:18 AM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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yah whats going on with the c02? What about the virus koods explain that away u cant so stfu.
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Re: Viral outbreak in China - Coronavirus Pandemic 2020 [Re: HamHead] 1
#26762801 - 06/21/20 11:22 AM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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koods said: What the fuck are you even talking about.
Coronaviruses. Disease. Immune systems. Health. Environment.
Why am I getting such a hard time sharing all this info.
Because you’re posting an article about global CO2 levels in a thread about a viral disease. You don’t appear to have a clue what you’re talking about.
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Re: Viral outbreak in China - Coronavirus Pandemic 2020 [Re: koods]
#26762806 - 06/21/20 11:24 AM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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koods said:
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koods said: What the fuck are you even talking about.
Coronaviruses. Disease. Immune systems. Health. Environment.
Why am I getting such a hard time sharing all this info.
Because you’re posting an article about global CO2 levels in a thread about a viral disease. You don’t appear to have a clue what you’re talking about.
Perhaps, the two are related.

Since you seem to have all the clues, what do you know?
Please, koods, share your knowledge with us. I would like to learn more.
Edit, to avoid spam.

Here ya go koods. States are shut down for double digit deaths.
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Re: Viral outbreak in China - Coronavirus Pandemic 2020 [Re: koods] 2
#26762833 - 06/21/20 11:32 AM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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No. There are double digit deaths because of the shutdowns. A month ago some of those states were pushing 4 digit deaths. It’s unbelievable we’re four months into this and people still don’t get it 🤦♂️
North Carolina hospitals are reaching capacity.
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Re: Viral outbreak in China - Coronavirus Pandemic 2020 [Re: koods]
#26762848 - 06/21/20 11:40 AM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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Yah cuz north Carolina ppl apparently are one the most cut off regressed regions on the planet and this is only just now getting to them. The virus isn't doing anything it hasn't done before koods. I dont get qhy u would argue different.
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