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Re: Viral outbreak in China - Coronavirus Pandemic 2020 [Re: HamHead]
    #26745548 - 06/15/20 04:36 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

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How are mask stopping 'things' smaller than cells?





You wear the mask to protect others.  Here's a link to a New England Journal of Medicine article (WITH VIDEO) of an experiment they did.  A guy didn't wear a mask and spoke.  A laser tracked the droplets.  The same guy then wore a mask and it showed almost no droplets in the air.

I wasn't able to directly link the video, but it's right there at the top of the page.

https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMc2007800?query=featured_home


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Re: Viral outbreak in China - Coronavirus Pandemic 2020 [Re: ShroomerInTheRye] * 4
    #26745559 - 06/15/20 04:42 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

That's why it doesn't work unless literally everyone is compliant in indoor areas

:huxleyfacepalm:


But it's a small fucking price to pay for a 40-80% reduction in cases. Hope all of you in states that are seeing a spike are staying safe.


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Re: Viral outbreak in China - Coronavirus Pandemic 2020 [Re: pirate-blues] * 4
    #26745619 - 06/15/20 05:20 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

The data scientist that Florida fired started her own dashboard funded by donations and volunteers.

https://experience.arcgis.com/experience/7572b118dc3c48d885d1c643c195314e/

It shows a little less than 1,600 ICU beds available in Florida.

:ilold: we're kinda fucked 

This weekend, some friends asked me to meet them at the bar for darts.  I might have been down if they were sitting outside, but being inside without a mask around others not wearing masks in one of the four most heavily hit zip codes in my county for overpriced liquor?  I'll pass...thanks.


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Re: Viral outbreak in China - Coronavirus Pandemic 2020 [Re: ShroomerInTheRye] * 2
    #26745637 - 06/15/20 05:28 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

I saw that! She's literally my fucking hero, I love this bitch.


And yeah, things are way calmer up here now, but I won't chill inside with people other than maybe one or two who I know are being safe - and everyone seems pretty damn okay with that. Planning a semi-socially distanced firepit trip for next week and thinking to going to a drive in concert lol. It's kind of weird and lame, but I can deal with it, small price to pay.


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Re: Viral outbreak in China - Coronavirus Pandemic 2020 [Re: pirate-blues] * 2
    #26745641 - 06/15/20 05:30 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Wow, her dashboard tells me how many ICU beds are available at the hospitals near me!


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Re: Viral outbreak in China - Coronavirus Pandemic 2020 [Re: pirate-blues] * 3
    #26745644 - 06/15/20 05:32 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Literally the smallest price to pay.  If it wasn't effective at all than I suppose Japan & Korea have just been deluding themselves for many decades.  Culturally inculcating mask usage into their population so they grow up to use them when sick & during peak flu season- with the idea that at best masks help serve a Dual Purpose for both self & other - and at least that they help one side of the equation from the other.

It’s not like someone is taking away your right to vote...or free speech....or putting you in a concentration camp.  :crankey:


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Re: Viral outbreak in China - Coronavirus Pandemic 2020 [Re: ShroomerInTheRye]
    #26745651 - 06/15/20 05:37 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

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The Blind Ass said:
Literally the smallest price to pay.  If it didn’t work than I suppose Japan & Korea have just been deluding themselves for the past 40 some years.  Culturally inculcating mask usage when sick & during peak flu season for nothing :sad:

Or “they” know better than lil old HammyHead.







Yeah I doubt mask use is just gonna go away here either now too...I am definitely a permanent 24/7 hand sanitizer carrier too now :okay:


...hopefully when that big influenza pandemic we're due for finally hits we'll be more prepared?...right guys? maybe?
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Wow, her dashboard tells me how many ICU beds are available at the hospitals near me!






Yeah I found one of those for me. There are some counties that got down to a couple ICU beds during the thick of it, with one of the strictest shutdowns in the country. Those rural areas don't have many people, but it doesn't really matter when you've got 5 ICU beds and 20 people who need them. Thank god we have fairly robust health systems that are easy to get to..I can't even imagine what it's like in some truly remote areas where you're 3 hours to the nearest ER.


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Re: Viral outbreak in China - Coronavirus Pandemic 2020 [Re: pirate-blues] * 3
    #26745660 - 06/15/20 05:42 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Hopefully this is a good dry run / mock trial for when a more deadly pathogen becomes a pandemic.  In a globalized world where all countries rely on each other for various goods and business interests, the risk of a new pathogen going global is higher & quicker than ever before.

I mean, don’t freak out and over react and start investing in an old abandoned nuclear silo to turn into a doomsday bunker...just recognize biaaa.


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Re: Viral outbreak in China - Coronavirus Pandemic 2020 [Re: The Blind Ass]
    #26745695 - 06/15/20 06:08 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

So, what you mask people are saying is, you believe I am infected.

That's the fucking bottom line.

Don't give me any bullshit about asymptomatic spread.

Here's a fun fact, viruses are so small, they attach to pollutants, not just moisture.

https://www.engineeringtoolbox.com/particle-sizes-d_934.html

Airborne particles
Airborne particles are solids suspended in the air.

Larger particles - larger then 100 μm
terminal velocities > 0.5 m/s
fall out quickly
includes hail, snow, insect debris, room dust, soot aggregates, coarse sand, gravel, and sea spray
Medium-size particles - in the range 1 to 100 μm
sedimentation velocities greater than 0.2 m/s
settles out slowly
includes fine ice crystals, pollen, hair, large bacteria, windblown dust, fly ash, coal dust, silt, fine sand, and small dust
Small particles - less than 1 μm
falls slowly, take days to years to settle out of a quiet atmosphere. In a turbulent atmosphere they may never settle out
can be washed out by water or rain
includes viruses, small bacteria, metallurgical fumes, soot, oil smoke, tobacco smoke, clay, and fumes


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The Italian researchers’ findings, published by the INT’s scientific magazine Tumori Journal, show 11.6% of 959 healthy volunteers enrolled in a lung cancer screening trial between September 2019 and March 2020 had developed coronavirus antibodies well before February.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-italy-timing-idUSKBN27V0KF

This online first version has been peer-reviewed, accepted and edited,  but not formatted and finalized with corrections from authors and proofreaders

https://www.icandecide.org/


Edited by HamHead (06/15/20 06:11 AM)


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Re: Viral outbreak in China - Coronavirus Pandemic 2020 [Re: HamHead] * 7
    #26745698 - 06/15/20 06:12 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

YES THAT'S WHAT EVERYONE HAS SAID SINCE THE BEGINNING OF THE PANDEMIC.  ASSUME YOU ARE POSITIVE AND TAKE ACTION TO STOP THE SPREAD.  JESUS BUTTFUCKING CHRIST 4 MONTHS AND YOU FINALLY GET IT.


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Re: Viral outbreak in China - Coronavirus Pandemic 2020 [Re: ShroomerInTheRye]
    #26745705 - 06/15/20 06:15 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

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ShroomerInTheRye said:
YES THAT'S WHAT EVERYONE HAS SAID SINCE THE BEGINNING OF THE PANDEMIC.  ASSUME YOU ARE POSITIVE AND TAKE ACTION TO STOP THE SPREAD.  JESUS BUTTFUCKING CHRIST 4 MONTHS AND YOU FINALLY GET IT.




That's great, a wonderful excuse for vaccination.

Fucking you!!! All the way up a wall!!!


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The Italian researchers’ findings, published by the INT’s scientific magazine Tumori Journal, show 11.6% of 959 healthy volunteers enrolled in a lung cancer screening trial between September 2019 and March 2020 had developed coronavirus antibodies well before February.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-italy-timing-idUSKBN27V0KF

This online first version has been peer-reviewed, accepted and edited,  but not formatted and finalized with corrections from authors and proofreaders

https://www.icandecide.org/


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Re: Viral outbreak in China - Coronavirus Pandemic 2020 [Re: ShroomerInTheRye] * 1
    #26745706 - 06/15/20 06:15 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

HamHead said:
So, what you mask people are saying is, you believe I am infected.






At least what people think you are contagious with is an actual contagion


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Re: Viral outbreak in China - Coronavirus Pandemic 2020 [Re: HamHead] * 3
    #26745711 - 06/15/20 06:17 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Nobody is going to force a vaccination on you. :tinfoil: If we can't force Karens to vaccinate their crotch droppings for smallpox and rubella, they won't force you to get a COVID vaccine.


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Re: Viral outbreak in China - Coronavirus Pandemic 2020 [Re: ShroomerInTheRye] * 1
    #26745717 - 06/15/20 06:20 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

What might happen is that you might not be able to travel without one(not due to our government, due to other countries not wanting us to fuck their shit up),  or enroll your(hopefully hypothetical) children in school without one.



But no one's gonna come and force you to get vaccinated. Think I read that herd immunity required for COVID is actually significantly lower than a lot of other viruses too.


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Re: Viral outbreak in China - Coronavirus Pandemic 2020 [Re: ShroomerInTheRye] * 4
    #26745725 - 06/15/20 06:26 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

So what you science people are saying is, you want me to actually use the brain that is in my skull?

That's fucking rich.

Why hasn't your precious WHO brought up brain usage, if it's supposedly so helpful?

You want to know what the real deal is with brains?

You want read it anyway. But. I dare you:




A brain is an organ that serves as the center of the nervous system in all vertebrate and most invertebrate animals. It is located in the head, usually close to the sensory organs for senses such as vision. It is the most complex organ in a vertebrate's body. In a human, the cerebral cortex contains approximately 14–16 billion neurons,[1] and the estimated number of neurons in the cerebellum is 55–70 billion.[2] Each neuron is connected by synapses to several thousand other neurons. These neurons communicate with one another by means of long protoplasmic fibers called axons, which carry trains of signal pulses called action potentials to distant parts of the brain or body targeting specific recipient cells.

Brain
Chimp Brain in a jar.jpg
A common chimpanzee brain
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MeSH
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NeuroNames
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TA
A14.1.03.001
Anatomical terminology
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Physiologically, brains exert centralized control over a body's other organs. They act on the rest of the body both by generating patterns of muscle activity and by driving the secretion of chemicals called hormones. This centralized control allows rapid and coordinated responses to changes in the environment. Some basic types of responsiveness such as reflexes can be mediated by the spinal cord or peripheral ganglia, but sophisticated purposeful control of behavior based on complex sensory input requires the information integrating capabilities of a centralized brain.

The operations of individual brain cells are now understood in considerable detail but the way they cooperate in ensembles of millions is yet to be solved.[3] Recent models in modern neuroscience treat the brain as a biological computer, very different in mechanism from an electronic computer, but similar in the sense that it acquires information from the surrounding world, stores it, and processes it in a variety of ways.

This article compares the properties of brains across the entire range of animal species, with the greatest attention to vertebrates. It deals with the human brain insofar as it shares the properties of other brains. The ways in which the human brain differs from other brains are covered in the human brain article. Several topics that might be covered here are instead covered there because much more can be said about them in a human context. The most important is brain disease and the effects of brain damage, that are covered in the human brain article.
The shape and size of the brain varies greatly between species, and identifying common features is often difficult.[4] Nevertheless, there are a number of principles of brain architecture that apply across a wide range of species.[5] Some aspects of brain structure are common to almost the entire range of animal species;[6] others distinguish "advanced" brains from more primitive ones, or distinguish vertebrates from invertebrates.[4]

The simplest way to gain information about brain anatomy is by visual inspection, but many more sophisticated techniques have been developed. Brain tissue in its natural state is too soft to work with, but it can be hardened by immersion in alcohol or other fixatives, and then sliced apart for examination of the interior. Visually, the interior of the brain consists of areas of so-called grey matter, with a dark color, separated by areas of white matter, with a lighter color. Further information can be gained by staining slices of brain tissue with a variety of chemicals that bring out areas where specific types of molecules are present in high concentrations. It is also possible to examine the microstructure of brain tissue using a microscope, and to trace the pattern of connections from one brain area to another.[7]

Cellular structure
drawing showing a neuron with a fiber emanating from it labeled "axon" and making contact with another cell. An inset shows an enlargement of the contact zone.
Neurons generate electrical signals that travel along their axons. When a pulse of electricity reaches a junction called a synapse, it causes a neurotransmitter chemical to be released, which binds to receptors on other cells and thereby alters their electrical activity.
The brains of all species are composed primarily of two broad classes of cells: neurons and glial cells. Glial cells (also known as glia or neuroglia) come in several types, and perform a number of critical functions, including structural support, metabolic support, insulation, and guidance of development. Neurons, however, are usually considered the most important cells in the brain.[8] The property that makes neurons unique is their ability to send signals to specific target cells over long distances.[8] They send these signals by means of an axon, which is a thin protoplasmic fiber that extends from the cell body and projects, usually with numerous branches, to other areas, sometimes nearby, sometimes in distant parts of the brain or body. The length of an axon can be extraordinary: for example, if a pyramidal cell (an excitatory neuron) of the cerebral cortex were magnified so that its cell body became the size of a human body, its axon, equally magnified, would become a cable a few centimeters in diameter, extending more than a kilometer.[9] These axons transmit signals in the form of electrochemical pulses called action potentials, which last less than a thousandth of a second and travel along the axon at speeds of 1–100 meters per second. Some neurons emit action potentials constantly, at rates of 10–100 per second, usually in irregular patterns; other neurons are quiet most of the time, but occasionally emit a burst of action potentials.[10]

Axons transmit signals to other neurons by means of specialized junctions called synapses. A single axon may make as many as several thousand synaptic connections with other cells.[8] When an action potential, traveling along an axon, arrives at a synapse, it causes a chemical called a neurotransmitter to be released. The neurotransmitter binds to receptor molecules in the membrane of the target cell.[8]

A bright green cell is seen against a red and black background, with long, highly branched, green processes extending out from it in multiple directions.
Neurons often have extensive networks of dendrites, which receive synaptic connections. Shown is a pyramidal neuron from the hippocampus, stained for green fluorescent protein.
Synapses are the key functional elements of the brain.[11] The essential function of the brain is cell-to-cell communication, and synapses are the points at which communication occurs. The human brain has been estimated to contain approximately 100 trillion synapses;[12] even the brain of a fruit fly contains several million.[13] The functions of these synapses are very diverse: some are excitatory (exciting the target cell); others are inhibitory; others work by activating second messenger systems that change the internal chemistry of their target cells in complex ways.[11] A large number of synapses are dynamically modifiable; that is, they are capable of changing strength in a way that is controlled by the patterns of signals that pass through them. It is widely believed that activity-dependent modification of synapses is the brain's primary mechanism for learning and memory.[11]

Most of the space in the brain is taken up by axons, which are often bundled together in what are called nerve fiber tracts. A myelinated axon is wrapped in a fatty insulating sheath of myelin, which serves to greatly increase the speed of signal propagation. (There are also unmyelinated axons). Myelin is white, making parts of the brain filled exclusively with nerve fibers appear as light-colored white matter, in contrast to the darker-colored grey matter that marks areas with high densities of neuron cell bodies.[8]



https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brain


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Re: Viral outbreak in China - Coronavirus Pandemic 2020 [Re: pirate-blues] * 2
    #26745737 - 06/15/20 06:30 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

When we take our pets on a plane, we have to provide paperwork that they've had their shots and medicines, right?  Why don't we do that?

That's right....MUH FREEDOMZ.  It's my freedom to infect you with my diseases without your consent.  You do not have the freedom to protect yourself or the public because that takes away my freedom to be the modern day Typhoid Mary.

In America, you can be anything you want to be.  ESPECIALLY Typhoid Mary :patriot:


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Re: Viral outbreak in China - Coronavirus Pandemic 2020 [Re: ShroomerInTheRye]
    #26745841 - 06/15/20 07:36 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Maybe if we wear masks to protect old people they should not be allowed to drive after 65 to protect us


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Re: Viral outbreak in China - Coronavirus Pandemic 2020 [Re: bodhisatta] * 1
    #26745894 - 06/15/20 08:13 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

A strawman argument at best.  I'm not against screening the elderly more thoroughly or having their licenses renewed more often after a certain age.  Your sight goes, your reflexes go.


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Re: Viral outbreak in China - Coronavirus Pandemic 2020 [Re: ShroomerInTheRye] * 1
    #26745954 - 06/15/20 08:50 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Y'all hear about that woman in NY who wasn't wearing a mask in a bagel shop and I guess (according to the story) another woman either said something or mentioned it to the employees and then non-mask wearing lady went up to the other woman and coughed on her



:eek:

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Re: Viral outbreak in China - Coronavirus Pandemic 2020 [Re: Niffla] * 3
    #26746017 - 06/15/20 09:21 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

That shit should be assault. Someone needs to charge her, and I don't doubt that someone in NY will step up to the plate and make that happen.

https://local12.com/news/coronavirus/woman-charged-after-coughing-on-35000-worth-of-produce-at-grocery-store-margaret-cirko-pennsylvania-gerritys-cincinnati

This happened not that far from me. I think this was a case of mostly mental illness as this lady has been trouble before apparently, but still. Assholes abound.


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