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pirate-blues


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Re: Viral outbreak in China - 2020 Global Pandemic [Re: cannabinated]
#26697022 - 05/26/20 12:55 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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Nah, this was sheer, simple mismanagement, not a conspiracy.
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koods
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Re: Viral outbreak in China - 2020 Global Pandemic [Re: mushboy] 1
#26697024 - 05/26/20 12:55 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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We just passed 100,000 dead
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Re: Viral outbreak in China - 2020 Global Pandemic [Re: pirate-blues] 1
#26697026 - 05/26/20 12:56 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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i mean if a few plants are what controls billions of pounds of product then def mismanaged
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InfiniteDreams


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Re: Viral outbreak in China [Re: koods]
#26697052 - 05/26/20 01:11 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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koods said: I just showed you the official stats. Took a screen grab.
And I linked you to the official stats: https://www1.nyc.gov/site/doh/covid/covid-19-data-boroughs.page
All Bronx, 245.09 deaths per 100,000 people. = 0.245%
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healthy ppl?
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koods
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InfiniteDreams said:
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koods said: I just showed you the official stats. Took a screen grab.
And I linked you to the official stats: https://www1.nyc.gov/site/doh/covid/covid-19-data-boroughs.page
All Bronx, 245.09 deaths per 100,000 people. = 0.245%
You’re wrong. Maybe that’s old data. Maybe you can’t math.


(3492+901)/1,418,000*100=.31%
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ShroomerInTheRye
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Re: Viral outbreak in China [Re: koods] 2
#26697299 - 05/26/20 03:31 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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I’m sitting in the vet office now having my cat looked at and the vet’s wife is talking to a client about how we had so many freedoms taken away from us in this pandemic. Also how AOC is going to turn the country communist over the pandemic.
So far nobody has been able to tell me what exact freedoms they’ve been stripped of.
Nobody in here is wearing a mask, also citing an intrusion of freedoms.
I’m still waiting for a good explanation of what freedoms have been stripped from us here. Looks like I need to find a new vet too.
It’s a sad state of affairs when we have to politicize every shitty little thing....even a virus.
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morrowasted
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Dealing with more and more "the numbers are fake" people lately.
Maybe they are wrong, but not in the way you think, and that doesnt make them fake
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Don't you see how perfect the game they made to keep people distracted is. People let politics fill every nook and cranny of their thoughts. It's like a sunglasses over your perception of reality. People are lead to believe their governance and political activism is everything. The real freedom people lost is the freedom to think for themselves. They have willingly let a battle between their ideology and the other ideology/ies become the focus of their life. Spooky demon rhetoric about "the others". The real thing government takes away is potential. It's a parasite that secretes a mind altering drug called politics that keeps people distracted from the productivity it steals.
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Re: Viral outbreak in China [Re: bodhisatta] 2
#26697346 - 05/26/20 03:51 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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We were distracted from the pandemic because we were too busy impeaching Trump and getting huffy that it didn’t happen. Yes. Still haven’t heard what freedoms have been stripped away.
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BANANA.MAN
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ShroomerInTheRye said: I’m sitting in the vet office now having my cat looked at and the vet’s wife is talking to a client about how we had so many freedoms taken away from us in this pandemic. Also how AOC is going to turn the country communist over the pandemic.
So far nobody has been able to tell me what exact freedoms they’ve been stripped of.
Nobody in here is wearing a mask, also citing an intrusion of freedoms.
I’m still waiting for a good explanation of what freedoms have been stripped from us here. Looks like I need to find a new vet too.
It’s a sad state of affairs when we have to politicize every shitty little thing....even a virus.
the government can deem your business non essential and prohibit voluntary transactions between two parties they have nothing to do with.
here in canada they are forcing every business to give every employee 10 days of paid sick leave.
that alone is enough to cripple alot of small business. imagine every employee gets 10 days of pay for doing absolutely no work. and its all in vain because 10 days is an arbitrary number. even in mild cases coronavirus typically takes 2 weeks to run its course, or so i have been told.
imagine a business that is not profitable and makes only enough to pay for everyone's salaries/wages.
its up to employee and employer to negotiate the terms of their voluntary arrangement.
you may think these things are good but you cant deny that forcing them on people is taking away the freedom of two parties to come to their own agreement.
advocates of government regulation of the market claim to dislike big corporations but then advocate for the introduction of regulation that only big corporations can afford to adhere to.
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Re: Viral outbreak in China [Re: BANANA.MAN] 4
#26697376 - 05/26/20 04:04 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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In England, all full time employees are entitled to a minimum of 28 days paid leave.
I can't believe you even spent the time typing out that shitty, shitty argument.
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Re: Viral outbreak in China [Re: BANANA.MAN] 1
#26697380 - 05/26/20 04:07 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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It will cripple a small business if the employees all get coronavirus. People can’t work or run business if they’re dead.
I see where you’re coming from, but at what point do we value life over a paycheck? How did we allow, as a society, to punish sock people or punish the for wanting to stay healthy?
Work or die. Make rich people richer or die. Those are the choices. That’s not freedom.
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Prime Minister Justin Trudeau says the federal government is talking to the provinces about bringing in 10 days of paid sick leave for workers — something the NDP demanded in exchange for supporting the Liberals' plan to extend the suspension of the House of Commons during the novel coronavirus pandemic.
"Nobody should have to choose between taking a day off work due to illness or being able to pay their bills. Just like nobody should have to choose between staying home with COVID-19 symptoms or being able to afford rent or groceries," Trudeau said during his prepared remarks this morning at his daily press conference.
"That's why the government will continue discussions with the provinces, without delay, on ensuring that as we enter the recovery phase of the pandemic, every worker in Canada who needs it has access to ten days of paid sick leave a year. And we'll also consider other mechanisms for the longer term to support workers with sick leave."
The federal NDP conditioned its support for suspending the full House of Commons sitting schedule on getting a commitment from the Liberal government to bring in paid sick leave for all Canadians and supports for people with disabilities struggling with the COVID-19 pandemic.
Just moments after Trudeau announced the ongoing negotiations with the provinces, NDP Leader Singh sent out a statement claiming victory.
"As more and more businesses are being asked to reopen, NDP Leader Jagmeet Singh secured two weeks of paid sick leave for every worker in Canada by pushing the federal government to act," reads the statement.
"We will keep pushing the government to make sure they deliver on this commitment and that they work with provinces to make sick leave for workers permanent going forward."
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Singh later told CBC News that he had secured commitments from Trudeau for two stages of a national sick leave guarantee.
The first stage is short term and involves making sure that those who need sick leave get it, so that as the economy reopens they don't feel pressured to go to work and risk spreading the virus to their co-workers or customers.
The federal government, Singh said, should pick up the cost for this near-term program by modifying an existing program such as the CERB or the federal wage subsidy, because provinces and businesses are not in a position to take on new expenses right now.
"In our conversation, [Trudeau] said 'Yes that is something we can do,'" Singh told CBC News.
"I'm not worried about the actual mechanism. I want to see a real path for someone who gets sick to not have to make that impossible choice — do they go to work rising exposure to their colleagues … or do they stay home and, without having paid sick leave, not know how they are going to pay their bills? That is a choice that I don't want anyone to have to make."
Singh said Trudeau's second commitment was for the longer term and involves the federal government working with provinces and businesses to share the costs of a sick leave program that would ensure all working Canadians receive paid sick leave.
B.C. Premier John Horgan has been pushing Ottawa for weeks to spearhead a national sick pay program to ensure people don't go to work when they're ill.
Horgan had said B.C. was willing to go it alone, but had insisted publicly and in private calls that the federal government should take the lead.
The Canadian Federation of Independent Business has expressed concerns about the financial burden a 10-day mandatory sick leave policy could place on small firms already taking a financial hit from the pandemic. Singh said permanent solutions to the shortage of sick leave may have to be developed on a cost-shared basis.
"For the longevity of this program … it will have to be a combination of federal, provincial and employers that come together to figure out ... a permanent sick leave for all Canadians," he said. "Much like it's become law in Canada to have a certain amount of vacation, this is something that should be a guarantee."
https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/debate-continues-over-monday-return-to-parliament-1.5582850
core takeaway taxes going up in future to offset costs to small businesses but everybody to get 10 days guaranteed sick leave on top of the existing 10 days of vacation
short term this is supposed to offset risk of people desperate for a paycheque infecting coworkers and crippling businesses by facillitating staying home long term this will bring us up to 20 days paid time off
what is with the 8 there tho? 5 day work weeks makes 10/20/25/30 make snes to me 28 seems sort of arbitrary
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Jokeshopbeard said: In England, all full time employees are entitled to a minimum of 28 days paid leave.
I can't believe you even spent the time typing out that shitty, shitty argument.
again. you may think its a good thing. its still an uninvopbed third party taking away the freedom of two parties to come to their own agreement.
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ShroomerInTheRye said: It will cripple a small business if the employees all get coronavirus. People can’t work or run business if they’re dead.
I see where you’re coming from, but at what point do we value life over a paycheck? How did we allow, as a society, to punish sock people or punish the for wanting to stay healthy?
Work or die. Make rich people richer or die. Those are the choices. That’s not freedom.
i am not saying it would be bad for a business who can afdord to give paid sick leave to do so. not at all.
you are shifting your argument from "no freedoms have been raken away" to "its better for the government to interfere in business than for them to not interfere"
you are starting a new discussiin. i was replying to your previous claim.
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Re: Viral outbreak in China [Re: BANANA.MAN]
#26697455 - 05/26/20 04:43 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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BANANA.MAN said:
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Jokeshopbeard said: In England, all full time employees are entitled to a minimum of 28 days paid leave.
I can't believe you even spent the time typing out that shitty, shitty argument.
again. you may think its a good thing. its still an uninvopbed third party taking away the freedom of two parties to come to their own agreement.
So what? Who says that’s the best way to organize the world? If we had it your way we’d still have 10 year olds working in 100° warehouses with no sprinklers or fire extinguishers
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BANANA.MAN
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Re: Viral outbreak in China [Re: koods]
#26697463 - 05/26/20 04:49 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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koods said:
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BANANA.MAN said:
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Jokeshopbeard said: In England, all full time employees are entitled to a minimum of 28 days paid leave.
I can't believe you even spent the time typing out that shitty, shitty argument.
again. you may think its a good thing. its still an uninvopbed third party taking away the freedom of two parties to come to their own agreement.
So what? Who says that’s the best way to organize the world? If we had it your way we’d still have 10 year olds working in 100° warehouses with no sprinklers or fire extinguishers
who saiid i want that or think thats best?.
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Re: Viral outbreak in China [Re: BANANA.MAN]
#26697468 - 05/26/20 04:50 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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that’s what you get without regulation.
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Re: Viral outbreak in China [Re: koods]
#26697477 - 05/26/20 04:55 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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i think people are capeable of making risk averse choices by themselves.
but thats beside the point. shroomer asked what freedoms have been taken away.
forcing businesses to shut down is taking away freedom. regardless of whether or not you think thats a good thing.
freedom is being taken away. you just happen to think thats a good thing. thats not what we are talking about.
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