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Re: Viral outbreak in China [Re: koods]
    #26688440 - 05/22/20 03:22 PM (9 days, 5 hours ago)

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Trump just had a press conference declaring churches essential businesses and demanding they open. He is a seriously dangerous person. Such reckless posturing.




Was in the city today
was impressed that basically every church had a sign out front about how people should respect social distancing
and that Sunday services were available online

my personal favourite was
"Shout Hosanna!  But step back 6 feet first"

it is good to see spiritual organizations that work for the good of people
rather than trying to rush and reopen for their tax-free collection plates


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Re: Viral outbreak in China [Re: Tantrika] * 5
    #26688620 - 05/22/20 04:28 PM (9 days, 4 hours ago)

Wonder whose idea this was?
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WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The U.S. Department of Veterans Affairs (VA) has treated 1,300 coronavirus patients with the malaria drug hydroxychloroquine, which a study has tied to an increased risk of death, according to a document released by a Senate Democrat on Friday.

Senate Democratic Leader Chuck Schumer, who received the information from the VA in response to questions he submitted on the issue, said he was “deeply troubled” by the data...



https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-usa-veterans/u-s-veterans-agency-has-given-hydroxychloroquine-to-1300-coronavirus-patients-idUSKBN22Y2UA

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... yall gotta do mental gymnastics and insults to be comfortable reading what I have to say.



I don't, I just stop reading what you (and a few others) post.:blah::nignored:
(not officially ignored but none the less)
I suggest all-y'all do the same. :yesnod:

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Re: Viral outbreak in China [Re: vinsue] * 1
    #26688624 - 05/22/20 04:30 PM (9 days, 4 hours ago)

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Re: Viral outbreak in China [Re: Jokeshopbeard] * 2
    #26688636 - 05/22/20 04:34 PM (9 days, 4 hours ago)

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How is the USA doing this week with regards to getting out of this pandemic?



There's only one word to describe how the USA has done, from the very start, when it comes to this pandemic, and that is; SHIT.

I mean seriously, what a godawful, goddamned, godforsaken clusterfuck.

It's really, really, really sad.




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Re: Viral outbreak in China [Re: TheFakeSunRa] * 2
    #26688646 - 05/22/20 04:37 PM (9 days, 3 hours ago)

Every single day for six weeks we’ve had over 20,000 new cases. No other country has ever seen a single day with that many cases and we do it every day. Brazil will probably beat us soon but that place is a fucking joke to begin with.


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Re: Viral outbreak in China - 2020 Global Pandemic [Re: TheFakeSunRa] * 2
    #26688650 - 05/22/20 04:38 PM (9 days, 3 hours ago)

For sure.

Trump failed, the Federal Government failed, in the imfamous words of Trump, it was a Total Disaster.


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Re: Viral outbreak in China - 2020 Global Pandemic [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
    #26688666 - 05/22/20 04:48 PM (9 days, 3 hours ago)

Vinsue, it isnt just the Veterans hospital still using hydroxychloroquine. It may yet prove to be a decent prophylactic. It is going piss me off if the media gets in the way of science being done just to take digs at Donald Trump. I dont like Donald Trump, and I dont think he she be running his mouth about medical matters, but I honestly dont think cnn, MSNBC, nytimes are doing a fair job when they write the articles. The clinical trials we have had were shit quality, you need a lot of people to detect a signal when you are treating a disease that almost everyone eventually recovers from whether or not they receive medication. The way they are measuring outcomes like "reduced length of stay" when comparing trials performed in late january and February in other countries versus late march and april in the usa is totally confounded by the fact that supportive, non pharmacological treatment is already way better in most of the USA and improved considerably during that period by learning from mistakes. Hydroxychloroquine may yet be worth investigating as a prophylactic for healthcare workers and certain other at risk individuals to use and it will irritate me if politics get in the way of that science happening.


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Re: Viral outbreak in China - 2020 Global Pandemic [Re: morrowasted]
    #26688708 - 05/22/20 05:11 PM (9 days, 3 hours ago)

You don’t need clinical trials to determine if it is an effective prophylaxis. Three are plenty of people who take the drug already. Do they get covid. Yes they do. Do they get it at a different rate? I don’t know but the data is already there. It is simply unethical to continue to run trials on this drug with the results we have seen so far.


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Re: Viral outbreak in China - 2020 Global Pandemic [Re: koods]
    #26688714 - 05/22/20 05:14 PM (9 days, 3 hours ago)

Doctors trained in ethics are using it off label but koods says it's not ethical. We should probably get koods teaching a medical ethics course


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Re: Viral outbreak in China - 2020 Global Pandemic [Re: bodhisatta]
    #26688722 - 05/22/20 05:20 PM (9 days, 3 hours ago)

Prescribing doctors are not making decisions on ethics of running trials. The organizations sponsoring those trials are.

In a properly run study the doctors treating patients won’t even know if they are giving their patients the drug or not.



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Re: Viral outbreak in China - 2020 Global Pandemic [Re: koods] * 1
    #26688738 - 05/22/20 05:27 PM (9 days, 3 hours ago)

At this point, any doctor prescribing hydroxychloroquine outside an approved study to prevent or treat covid is not making a sound medical decision and is risking malpractice lawsuits and even a loss of their license. Doctors have the right to prescribe any medication they wish but that comes with a responsibility to do so with a reasonable medical rationale. That simply does not exist anymore:


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Re: Viral outbreak in China - 2020 Global Pandemic [Re: koods] * 2
    #26688798 - 05/22/20 06:07 PM (9 days, 2 hours ago)

I hear that same argument from people who think weed is dangerous.


At this point, any doctor prescribing hydroxychloroquine medical marijuana outside an approved study to prevent or treat covidstress or pain is not making a sound medical decision and is risking malpractice lawsuits and even a loss of their license. Doctors have the right to prescribe any medication they wish but that comes with a responsibility to do so with a reasonable medical rationale.


Who's word do you go by?


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Re: Viral outbreak in China - 2020 Global Pandemic [Re: mushboy] * 2
    #26688802 - 05/22/20 06:10 PM (9 days, 2 hours ago)

What an absolutely moronic analogy. Did you not see the study that showed hydroxychloroquine is literally killing people?


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Re: Viral outbreak in China - 2020 Global Pandemic [Re: morrowasted] * 2
    #26688815 - 05/22/20 06:14 PM (9 days, 2 hours ago)

@ "...I honestly dont think cnn, MSNBC, nytimes are doing a fair job when they write the articles..."
That's why I picked one from Reuters.  :cookiemonster:

I do get your point but I'm curious, how many health care workers do you know who are taking
or would be willing to take hydroxychloroquine as a prophylactic?

I'm seeing my doc next week to ask for an antibody test and if I'm not exposed yet I'd be
seriously interested in taking something as a prophylactic.
What other suggestions are recommended? :justdontknow:

I am a bit worried about my risk because I'm 63, I'm taking meds for hypertension,
COPD and heart disease and I live in north NJ. :uhoh:



I found some good stuff here.:smirk:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_unproven_methods_against_COVID-19
- Chloroform and ether-based drug loló was said to cure the disease in messages spread in Brazil
- A mix containing amphetamines, cocaine and nicotine, on sale on the Dark Web for US$300, was advertised as a vaccine against COVID-19
- A claim that cannabis could protect against the coronavirus appeared on YouTube, along with a petition to legalize cannabis in Sri Lanka
- Drinking cow urine and applying cow dung on the body was claimed to cure coronavirus by Indian politician Swami Chakrapani.
- Drinking camel urine has been advocated in the Middle East
- A suggestion that COVID-19 could be prevented by applying a cotton ball soaked in violet oil to the anus has brought Abbas Tabrizian renewed widespread ridicule in Iran. :goatse:
-  Televangelist Kenneth Copeland had urged followers to touch their televisions as a means of vaccination by proxy, and also attempted to exorcise COVID-19 on at least three occasions by summoning "the wind of God", stating that this had destroyed the virus (either US- or world-wide). Earlier, he had urged followers to ignore public health advisories and come to his churches, saying they could be healed there by the laying on of hands if they fell ill
- Garlic was said to prevent COVID-19 on Facebook. There is no evidence that garlic protects against COVID-19.
- Consuming large amounts of boiled ginger after fasting for a day was rumoured to prevent or cure coronavirus on Facebook.
- Facebook claims that 'gargling salt water, drinking hot liquids like tea and avoiding ice cream can stop the transmission of COVID-19'

There's soo much more in there if anyone needs some lol's and :facepalm:'s.


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Re: Viral outbreak in China - 2020 Global Pandemic [Re: koods]
    #26688817 - 05/22/20 06:14 PM (9 days, 2 hours ago)

My point is, you can find tons of opinions but at the end of the day it's just another person telling you something. People need to make decisions themselves. If they wanna take trump's miracle drug fucking let them. I hope they all take it.

Doctors over prescribe shit all day why is this any different?


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Re: Viral outbreak in China - 2020 Global Pandemic [Re: mushboy]
    #26688840 - 05/22/20 06:19 PM (9 days, 2 hours ago)

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My point is, you can find tons of opinions but at the end of the day it's just another person telling you something. People need to make decisions themselves. If they wanna take trump's miracle drug fucking them.

Doctors over prescribe shit all day why is this any different?





Your point doesn't hold weight because you're talking about opinion, while Kood's point does hold weight because he's referencing cold, hard statistics.


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Re: Viral outbreak in China - 2020 Global Pandemic [Re: vinsue]
    #26688843 - 05/22/20 06:20 PM (9 days, 2 hours ago)

I would guess remdesivir would work as a prophylactic but it’s probably hard to get until you’re actually sick

Maybe start smoking. That seems to be the best measure we have so far.


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Re: Viral outbreak in China - 2020 Global Pandemic [Re: lifeiswhatyoumake]
    #26688844 - 05/22/20 06:20 PM (9 days, 2 hours ago)

Do you even know what my point is?

I think you both need to relax.


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Re: Viral outbreak in China - 2020 Global Pandemic [Re: mushboy]
    #26688847 - 05/22/20 06:22 PM (9 days, 2 hours ago)

Yes, I do know your point.
I like how you know you lost this argument so you resort to telling us to relax. :lol: :rolleyes:


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Re: Viral outbreak in China - 2020 Global Pandemic [Re: mushboy]
    #26688848 - 05/22/20 06:23 PM (9 days, 2 hours ago)

Your point is to cast doubt on sound medical research becasue you’re mad cannabis is not a recognized treatment for ... stress.


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