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Re: Viral outbreak in China - Coronavirus 2020 [Re: lifeiswhatyoumake]
    #26679367 - 05/18/20 05:11 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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My thought is that Trump isn't really taking hydroxychloroquine; he's just making it seem like he is so that other people spend money to obtain the drug themselves.




That thought occurred to me.


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Re: Viral outbreak in China - Coronavirus 2020 [Re: lifeiswhatyoumake]
    #26679369 - 05/18/20 05:11 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Even specifically said well no he didn't recommend it :lol:


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Re: Viral outbreak in China - Coronavirus 2020 [Re: lifeiswhatyoumake] * 3
    #26679413 - 05/18/20 05:23 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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Trump should prove he’s taking hydroxychloroquine by dropping dead from a fatal arrhythmia



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My thought is that Trump isn't really taking hydroxychloroquine; he's just making it seem like he is so that other people spend money to obtain the drug themselves.



He also said he took azithromycin which makes no sense since that has no prophylactic use for a virus. He’s lying. It just popped into his head and he said it. Like usual.


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Re: Viral outbreak in China - Coronavirus 2020 [Re: Seriously_trippin]
    #26679433 - 05/18/20 05:29 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

I'm skeptical of any these death rate numbers above 1 percent. Especially if one the biggest inputs is antibody testing in new york. While new york has made great strides toward testing i dont believe the current antibody numbers represent anything but a small snapshot of whats really going on. I really think based on more solid numbers we have to start thinking of a high percentage of asymptomatic individuals.


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Re: Viral outbreak in China - Coronavirus 2020 [Re: CHeifM4sterDiezL]
    #26679434 - 05/18/20 05:30 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Theres also alot of questions on the validity of all these tests which when I was first looking at these models can throw ur numbers wayyyy the fuck off.


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Re: Viral outbreak in China - Coronavirus 2020 [Re: koods]
    #26679441 - 05/18/20 05:33 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Nah i think trump is telling the truth


Hydroxychloroquine isnt as dangerous at the media makes it out to be. Gajillions of people take it. Id be willing to bet good money almost all of those people who died from it had severe  heart disease and or were taking diuretics. We barely use it for peoppe in the hospital because it's a shit treatment but it may be a good prophylactic for otherwise healthy people.  Rumor has it docs working with covid pts not uncommonly rx it to themselves. You cant get remdisivir without a covid19 dx but docs can write hcq scripts off label.


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Re: Viral outbreak in China - Coronavirus 2020 [Re: morrowasted]
    #26679447 - 05/18/20 05:36 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

What about the heart complications it causes?


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Re: Viral outbreak in China - Coronavirus 2020 [Re: morrowasted]
    #26679452 - 05/18/20 05:36 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

I hear Trump wears a girdle. So prob some heart issues. Besides his fast food diet. But for his age he sure makes Sanders and Hillary look decrepit. Most upper middle class men in their 40s look like trump.


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Re: Viral outbreak in China - Coronavirus 2020 [Re: morrowasted]
    #26679467 - 05/18/20 05:42 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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Nah i think trump is telling the truth


Hydroxychloroquine isnt as dangerous at the media makes it out to be. Gajillions of people take it. Id be willing to bet good money almost all of those people who died from it had severe kidney or heart disease. We barely use it for peoppe in the hospital because it's a shit treatment but it may be a good prophylactic for otherwise healthy people.  Rumor has it docs working with covid pts not uncommonly rx it to themselves. You cant get remdisivir without a covid19 dx but docs can write hcq scripts off label.




In the 90’s I was prescribed a prophylactic anti-malarial because I was traveling on the Indian subcontinent

I think it may have been this drug. A lot of western tourists were taking it.


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You constantly make posts thatr fling middle school insults at people you don't like mixed in with maladjusted psychopathic comments about wanting to beat up the other poster with a crowbar.

You know how shit you are, you just don't give a fuck for precisely that reason.

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Re: Viral outbreak in China - Coronavirus 2020 [Re: Seriously_trippin]
    #26679474 - 05/18/20 05:46 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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What about the heart complications it causes?



So here is a sample chart used for risk assessment in giving hcq. They vary slightly but are roughly the same



On this one anyone with a score under 7 would be considered very low risk for adverse outcomes. Docs know what they take, they can order labs and run ekgs on themselves.

In the beginning my guess is patients were coming in more or less unresponsive or just highly medically illiterate and unable to answer medical history questions about meds taken and were started on hcq and it turned out they take furosemide and/or some kind of schizophrenia med

This isnt an endorsement of hcq but we give risky meds all day long, we just know how to anticipate and manage risks better when a med has been used to treat something for a long time. Hcq for covid was totally new


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Re: Viral outbreak in China - Coronavirus 2020 [Re: TheFakeSunRa]
    #26679488 - 05/18/20 05:53 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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Nah i think trump is telling the truth


Hydroxychloroquine isnt as dangerous at the media makes it out to be. Gajillions of people take it. Id be willing to bet good money almost all of those people who died from it had severe kidney or heart disease. We barely use it for peoppe in the hospital because it's a shit treatment but it may be a good prophylactic for otherwise healthy people.  Rumor has it docs working with covid pts not uncommonly rx it to themselves. You cant get remdisivir without a covid19 dx but docs can write hcq scripts off label.




In the 90’s I was prescribed a prophylactic anti-malarial because I was traveling on the Indian subcontinent

I think it may have been this drug. A lot of western tourists were taking it.




I don’t think it’s used anymore. In most parts of the world, malaria is now resistant to it


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Re: Viral outbreak in China - Coronavirus 2020 [Re: lifeiswhatyoumake]
    #26679489 - 05/18/20 05:54 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Adjusted accordingly.  :wink:


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Re: Viral outbreak in China - Coronavirus 2020 [Re: morrowasted]
    #26679496 - 05/18/20 05:55 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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What about the heart complications it causes?



So here is a sample chart used for risk assessment in giving hcq. They vary slightly but are roughly the same



On this one anyone with a score under 7 would be considered very low risk for adverse outcomes. Docs know what they take, they can order labs and run ekgs on themselves.

In the beginning my guess is patients were coming in more or less unresponsive or just highly medically illiterate and unable to answer medical history questions about meds taken and were started on hcq and it turned out they take furosemide and/or some kind of schizophrenia med

This isnt an endorsement of hcq but we give risky meds all day long, we just know how to anticipate and manage risks better when a med has been used to treat something for a long time. Hcq for covid was totally new




What risk is appropriate when the drug doesn’t work?


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Re: Viral outbreak in China - Coronavirus 2020 [Re: koods] * 1
    #26679507 - 05/18/20 05:59 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

My point was more that it isnt really that dangerous


It didnt work as a treatment in trials but it may work as a prophylactic


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Re: Viral outbreak in China - Coronavirus 2020 [Re: morrowasted]
    #26679515 - 05/18/20 06:04 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Prophylactic? What would putting it in your butt do?


Edited by CHeifM4sterDiezL (05/18/20 06:09 PM)


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Re: Viral outbreak in China - Coronavirus 2020 [Re: CHeifM4sterDiezL]
    #26679517 - 05/18/20 06:06 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Idk changes the intracellular ph or something which makes it hardfor the virus to replicate


Likely he takes bc it is going around the white house


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Re: Viral outbreak in China - Coronavirus 2020 [Re: CHeifM4sterDiezL]
    #26679519 - 05/18/20 06:07 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Can someone translate?


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Re: Viral outbreak in China - Coronavirus 2020 [Re: morrowasted]
    #26679520 - 05/18/20 06:07 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Whoa thats bonkos


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Re: Viral outbreak in China - Coronavirus 2020 [Re: koods]
    #26679521 - 05/18/20 06:07 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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Can someone translate?



Hes saying the president si doing buttdrugs in the Whitehouse


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Re: Viral outbreak in China - Coronavirus 2020 [Re: morrowasted]
    #26679523 - 05/18/20 06:09 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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Idk changes the intracellular ph or something which makes it hardfor the virus to replicate


Likely he takes bc it is going around the white house



It also suppresses immune response


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