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Re: Viral outbreak in China [Re: Jokeshopbeard] * 4
    #26672447 - 05/15/20 11:03 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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Besides now everyone is pretending like they give a fuck about the other people around them. Lol



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Re: Viral outbreak in China [Re: koods] * 1
    #26672453 - 05/15/20 11:05 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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Sweden has 50% more deaths per capita than the US, sixth highest in the world.
It’s certainly not a success story.



all the countries that are locking down are delaying many deaths. as long as Sweden does not exceed its medical capacity they will likely end up with a similar death rate.

we have to look at the end result. of course sweden has more deaths NOW. thats not proof of anything. if every otger country ends up with the same death rate at the end of the year then has Sweden really done worse?

There is pressure to go to work when sick in Canada. people do it all the time.


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Re: Viral outbreak in China [Re: pirate-blues] * 2
    #26672457 - 05/15/20 11:08 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

My heart goes out to you PB!:heart:


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Re: Viral outbreak in China [Re: tyrannicalrex] * 7
    #26672463 - 05/15/20 11:12 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

https://www.patheos.com/blogs/jaysondbradley/2020/05/how-a-plague-exposed-the-christian-nation-myth/

When an unarmed black man or woman is shot and killed on camera, they instantly make excuses on behalf of authorities. That can look like trotting out an old mugshot to prove that person’s terrible character, or simply pointing out that they got themselves killed by not being obedient enough.

But when asked to stay home, patriots have no problem grabbing their guns and defying orders. The mixture of Christianity and Americanism is a troubling tincture, enabling people to cite Romans 13 to get others to obey authority while they stock up weapons to fight off a potentially tyrannical government.

American Christianity makes salvation a personal commodity. It’s something you acquire through invocation–say the right prayer and you’re in. It places certain social and moral expectations on us, but it doesn’t infringe upon our liberty. No one can place expectations upon us. It’s an insurance policy we purchase that allows us to pursue the American dream without fear of our eternal future.
We like to identify ourselves as a Christian nation, a city on a hill. But think about it a minute. What is it that separates America from every other nation on earth? We’ve become an epicenter for a disease that has killed more than 80,000 of our fellow citizens. And we’re the only country that would rather go to war with our local government to protect our individual freedom than make sacrifices for the greater good.

It’s taken a pandemic to see the gulf between historic Christianity and its American counterpart. All it took was an expectation of community responsibility to tear off the mask and reveal its true face.


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Re: Viral outbreak in China [Re: tyrannicalrex] * 1
    #26672472 - 05/15/20 11:17 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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My heart goes out to you PB!:heart:




Same. Hoping for the best outcome for your grandmother and family, pirate.


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Re: Viral outbreak in China [Re: pirate-blues] * 1
    #26672477 - 05/15/20 11:23 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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So we got that phone call I've been dreading today. My grandma has been presumed positive for about a week because she was right in the middle of a cluster. Tested negative. Facility presumed her and about 13 other folks positive who were also testing negative. She's now presenting with a fever and a cough. :sad: Waiting on retest results, but I think we can safely say we know what it is...


This is the worst and most powerless feeling in the world. I can't even go see my sick grandma. I'm gonna drive down on Saturday and drop her off some flowers and a card. I don't know what else to do. It seems so stupid. I just want to go and hug her. I knew it was terrible for the folk's who have family and friend's in hospitals - especially in ICUs, not even being able to go in to comfort them. It really is one of the cruelest aspects of it.


If you can take your loved ones out of their nursing homes do it. I cannot even begin to explain how powerless, and guilty, and sad about how I feel - how awful it's been to know that the phone call has been coming, and dreading and anticipating it everyday.




Hoping for the best pb. My great aunt (I never met her) got it in her nursing home,  she's 91 and with pretty much every preexisting condition in the book, and somehow beat it with ease. There's definitely hope.


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Re: Viral outbreak in China [Re: koods]
    #26672489 - 05/15/20 11:34 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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Sweden has eight times the death rate of norway. I’d say their strategy has been a disaster

Deaths per 100,000

Sweden: 36.1
Norway: 4.3
Finland 5.3
US: 26.3



Like that guy said, these numbers do not mean anything. The virus will be out there and countries will have to come out of lockdown. Swedish medical capacity is not even close to being overwhelmed.


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Re: Viral outbreak in China [Re: joodasgasoline] * 5
    #26672490 - 05/15/20 11:38 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Yes, but the Swedes also are following social distancing rules and staying home when they're sick.  The elderly and infirm are staying inside.  The Swedes value each other's lives more than Americans do.  They're not complaining about wearing a mask or staying 6 ft. apart. 

I applaud them but it won't work in the USA because mUh FrEeDoMz!!!!


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Re: Viral outbreak in China [Re: joodasgasoline]
    #26672493 - 05/15/20 11:40 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Having a lockdown won't work either.


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Re: Viral outbreak in China [Re: feevers] * 1
    #26672497 - 05/15/20 11:43 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

@joodasgasoline - Uh yes, lockdowns do work. My state has reduced daily cases by over 100%, and right over the bridge in one of the epicenters, they've reduced them over 300%. I don't even know what NYC numbers look like, probably even more impressive. The situation is a lot more complex than just lockdown vs no lockdown, but what you just said is blatantly wrong in just about everyway.


Aaaand,




Thanks guys. We're hanging in there okay. It sucks pretty badly, but no one else is sick yet(knock on wood), we're all staying safe and following CDC precautions, and that makes us a fuck of a lot luckier than some other families out there.


Meanwhile, a short distance from my grandmothers nursing home. President Trump tours a mask factory without.a.fucking.mask.


The tone is set at the top. Masks and PPE are the ONE fucking thing that can allow society to start opening up again, right now, while mitigating risks. This is why the personal responsibility argument is some college dorm ayn rand waste run off bull shit. People aren't fucking responsible - and how can they be expected to be - when their president isn't. And before anyone argues about his constant testing, I will remind you that the false negative rates on widely used tests is frighteningly high, and my grandma also tested negative on her first swab. Someone who is constantly traveling and meeting with people in a pandemic should be wearing a fucking mask.

I don't mean to go on a whole political rant. The area is already hurting, but on a downward trend - decreased daily cases by over 100%(and NJ is down like over 300% or something crazy, yeah, go Jersey!), thanks to wide spread mask use and our shutdown - which is easing up county by county, slowly and carefully, as it should. We need someone to set an example for us, and this is just a piss poor example to set.










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pirate-blues said:
So we got that phone call I've been dreading today. My grandma has been presumed positive for about a week because she was right in the middle of a cluster. Tested negative. Facility presumed her and about 13 other folks positive who were also testing negative. She's now presenting with a fever and a cough. :sad: Waiting on retest results, but I think we can safely say we know what it is...


This is the worst and most powerless feeling in the world. I can't even go see my sick grandma. I'm gonna drive down on Saturday and drop her off some flowers and a card. I don't know what else to do. It seems so stupid. I just want to go and hug her. I knew it was terrible for the folk's who have family and friend's in hospitals - especially in ICUs, not even being able to go in to comfort them. It really is one of the cruelest aspects of it.


If you can take your loved ones out of their nursing homes do it. I cannot even begin to explain how powerless, and guilty, and sad about how I feel - how awful it's been to know that the phone call has been coming, and dreading and anticipating it everyday.




Hoping for the best pb. My great aunt (I never met her) got it in her nursing home,  she's 91 and with pretty much every preexisting condition in the book, and somehow beat it with ease. There's definitely hope.






That's amazing. I know there's someone else who posts in here(The Blind Ass, maybs?) who also has an aunt or great aunt in a nursing home and she seems to be hanging in there?

It is good to be reminded that this isn't an automatic death sentence. I just really don't want her to suffer. That's my biggest fear. If death is going to take her, so be it, I just hope it's merciful.


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Re: Viral outbreak in China [Re: joodasgasoline] * 3
    #26672499 - 05/15/20 11:43 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

There's nowhere in the USA that's on a real lockdown.  China and its residents were on lockdown.  Italy was on lockdown.  The USA is on the suggestion of a lockdown.


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Re: Viral outbreak in China [Re: Jokeshopbeard]
    #26672503 - 05/15/20 11:47 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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Besides now everyone is pretending like they give a fuck about the other people around them. Lol



Some people always did.



Some sure.
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Re: Viral outbreak in China [Re: ShroomerInTheRye] * 2
    #26672508 - 05/15/20 11:51 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Right, that's true...no one's coming to weld you into your homes. People are safely enjoying the beautiful spring weather, me included, as we should be. The state opened up trout fishing early, and while people are encouraged not to travel out of county, hiking/camping is still allowed and trails are open.


I suppose it's more like enforced social distancing, no one's coming to arrest you if you're not wearing a mask, but no one's letting you in anywhere without following procedures - it's definitely enough though, people seem largely, pretty cooperative, here. I don't see anyone going into any enclosed spaces without masks. And the numbers are starting to show that this approach is working. An educated and aware public is the key.


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Re: Viral outbreak in China [Re: pirate-blues] * 8
    #26672536 - 05/15/20 12:11 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

I do think we have a much better picture of the kind of person bodhistata is thanks to this thread


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Re: Viral outbreak in China [Re: pirate-blues] * 1
    #26672587 - 05/15/20 12:44 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

stay strong :heart:


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Re: Viral outbreak in China [Re: morrowasted] * 1
    #26672703 - 05/15/20 01:48 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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https://www.patheos.com/blogs/jaysondbradley/2020/05/how-a-plague-exposed-the-christian-nation-myth/

When an unarmed black man or woman is shot and killed on camera, they instantly make excuses on behalf of authorities. That can look like trotting out an old mugshot to prove that person’s terrible character, or simply pointing out that they got themselves killed by not being obedient enough.

But when asked to stay home, patriots have no problem grabbing their guns and defying orders. The mixture of Christianity and Americanism is a troubling tincture, enabling people to cite Romans 13 to get others to obey authority while they stock up weapons to fight off a potentially tyrannical government.

American Christianity makes salvation a personal commodity. It’s something you acquire through invocation–say the right prayer and you’re in. It places certain social and moral expectations on us, but it doesn’t infringe upon our liberty. No one can place expectations upon us. It’s an insurance policy we purchase that allows us to pursue the American dream without fear of our eternal future.
We like to identify ourselves as a Christian nation, a city on a hill. But think about it a minute. What is it that separates America from every other nation on earth? We’ve become an epicenter for a disease that has killed more than 80,000 of our fellow citizens. And we’re the only country that would rather go to war with our local government to protect our individual freedom than make sacrifices for the greater good.

It’s taken a pandemic to see the gulf between historic Christianity and its American counterpart. All it took was an expectation of community responsibility to tear off the mask and reveal its true face.




Fuck n A! Great post morrow.


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Re: Viral outbreak in China [Re: tyrannicalrex] * 3
    #26672802 - 05/15/20 02:54 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

How the hell did bodhi become a mod anyway:shrug: maybe not my place to say but seems like poor representation


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Re: Viral outbreak in China [Re: morrowasted]
    #26672818 - 05/15/20 03:00 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

If I knew, I'd tell you, and then we'd both know.:grin:


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Re: Viral outbreak in China [Re: tyrannicalrex]
    #26672953 - 05/15/20 04:13 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Been busy on homestead and out of the site for a while, hope yah guys doing fine, hoping for the best for your grandma PB, stay safe shroomrites.


Ps. I just heard a 2nd outbreak in china and the ccp is planing on 2nd lockdown.


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Re: Viral outbreak in China [Re: tyrannicalrex]
    #26672963 - 05/15/20 04:15 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Same way I became mod...


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