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Re: Viral outbreak in China [Re: bodhisatta] 2
#26672012 - 05/15/20 06:07 AM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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bodhisatta said: https://www.sfgate.com/coronavirus/article/Coronavirus-pandemic-could-cause-over-150-000-15259383.php
150,000+ additional deaths of despair predicted.
this would have happened no matter what. People who kewp pretending the economy would have been okay if there were no shutdowns are clueless.
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"What are you gonna do, infect me?"
- last words of bodhi before getting infected

Anyway, i do hang out with small groups of people again.
I was talking to a doctor recently and he said he thinks the UV light does actually make a difference in transmission. I asked but isnt it mostly being transmitted indoors and he said the UV could still damage the virus. Like for example a way people qre often getting it is to touch something inside and then touch their faces later on outside. But whenever you walk outside in certain places he was arguing the UV light may kill the virus on peoples hands and faces before they inoculate themselves. Idk sounded possible
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Re: Viral outbreak in China [Re: bodhisatta] 6
#26672063 - 05/15/20 07:00 AM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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koods said: Stupid people win stupid prizes
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Some people like to be productive and don't give a fuck about the risk.
I love how "being productive" means going to a packed restaurant to eat chips and drink.
Oh America.
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Re: Viral outbreak in China [Re: feevers]
#26672083 - 05/15/20 07:14 AM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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I love how everyone ridiculed Sweden for it's strategy, but now it's clear that their strategy is the only sustainable way of dealing with this disease.
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#26672084 - 05/15/20 07:15 AM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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If you don't give a fuck about the risk, you don't give a fuck about the people around you who you'll be infecting.
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Re: Viral outbreak in China [Re: Asante]
#26672099 - 05/15/20 07:23 AM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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Asante said: In Holland we have a habit of cussing with diseases.
Now that COVID is doing rounds, the number of cops and service personnal who get spat or coughed in the face deliberately is huge. A lot of people are weaponizing either COVID or the fear of COVID.
We dont just wish nasty diseases upon each other, many of us arent above deliberately infecting people with actual diseases, like junkies threatening with an AIDS needle.
Its disgusting.
As much as I hate cops if you spit at one I hope they smash your face in. Canada they won't shoot you but 2 lines you never cross: no spitting at them and no threatening his family, or you will get a life altering beat down...
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joodasgasoline said: I love how everyone ridiculed Sweden for it's strategy, but now it's clear that their strategy is the only sustainable way of dealing with this disease.
Sweden didn't look a whole lot different than the US other than restaurants/gyms being half-open and kids under 16 still in school (high schools and universities closed). Gatherings were limited to under 50 but most people stayed home and social distanced on their own, something that never would've happened in the US where it somehow became political. Without even counting nursing home deaths it still has the highest COVID death rate in their area and their economy is just as fucked as their neighbors from it.
Many small and large businesses there are seeing a 50-80% reduction in customers and revenue, with no pandemic government relief to cover their losses or unemployment for the employees that need to be laid off. A national geographic article last week was talking about many business owners would have preferred a shutdown and government relief because they're in such bad shape now, but their government is pretending that since things are "open" there is no problem. I'm guessing after the initial party wears off the same will be true in many states that reopen too soon, they'll see their COVID numbers rise and most people will choose to stay home, while the government justifies cutting off aid to businesses because they're no longer closed.
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Re: Viral outbreak in China [Re: feevers] 2
#26672160 - 05/15/20 08:16 AM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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The swedish model relies on universal access to healthcare and trust in the state. Conservatives embracing the swedish model are turncoats who dont understand that the policy they want only works if they embrace another policy they have rejected. In this country low income workers will go to work even when sick because of financial strain and worries about debt, that is not true of sweden
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Re: Viral outbreak in China [Re: morrowasted] 4
#26672197 - 05/15/20 08:38 AM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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Sweden has 50% more deaths per capita than the US, sixth highest in the world. It’s certainly not a success story.
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Re: Viral outbreak in China [Re: koods] 2
#26672203 - 05/15/20 08:41 AM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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What im saying is the only reason the effect of not shutting down on their economy isnt as bad there as it would be here because workers there dont feel compelled to work through illness
But yeah anyone citing sweden as a success story isnt paying attention to the facts on the ground
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Re: Viral outbreak in China [Re: bodhisatta] 1
#26672243 - 05/15/20 09:01 AM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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koods said: Stupid people win stupid prizes
Staying inside is like keeping a vegetable on life support. No reason to even be alive if you can't do anything. ...
Do you feel mobility impairments should qualify individuals for physician assisted suicide?
Or is this a promotion that healthy people should not practice patience and respect for others because those make life not worth living, in your eyes
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bodhisatta said: Some people like to be productive and don't give a fuck about the risk.
What the fuck is "productive" about going to the bar to wait 45 minutes for potato chips when you could have had a beer and some chips at home and mowed your lawn in that same time frame?
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bodhisatta said: There were plenty of what I would have called extremely high risk people at the bar. If they're willing to take their health into their own hands and make their heart pump for 2, or 3, then they should get the same freedom to experience covid too.
If you're so worried. Stay home yourself.
The rest of us will ride motorcycles on the freeway without helmets next to drunk drivers on the way to gatherings of 10 or more.
so then what is the point of coming back and posting about it in a thread that has been tracing the negative impacts
is this supposed to be some sort of claim that covid is as safe as riding a motorcycle on the freeway next to drunk drivers without a helmet on?
do not think anyone (maybe other than yourself?) disputes that Covid is dangerous
it is just more that we recognize it as turning us into the equivalent of drunk drivers on the highway, and instead giving up our keys until we sober up because we are concerned about being the ones that swerve just slightly and end up killing a helmetless driver he's cool with being dead, we're the ones living with having killed someone through neglectful action
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Re: Viral outbreak in China [Re: Tantrika] 4
#26672253 - 05/15/20 09:06 AM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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Sweden has eight times the death rate of norway. I’d say their strategy has been a disaster
Deaths per 100,000
Sweden: 36.1 Norway: 4.3 Finland 5.3 US: 26.3
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#26672257 - 05/15/20 09:07 AM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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koods said: Sweden has eight times the death rate of norway.
But its sustainable
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#26672418 - 05/15/20 10:45 AM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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#26672424 - 05/15/20 10:51 AM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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So we got that phone call I've been dreading today. My grandma has been presumed positive for about a week because she was right in the middle of a cluster. Tested negative. Facility presumed her and about 13 other folks positive who were also testing negative. She's now presenting with a fever and a cough. Waiting on retest results, but I think we can safely say we know what it is...
This is the worst and most powerless feeling in the world. I can't even go see my sick grandma. I'm gonna drive down on Saturday and drop her off some flowers and a card. I don't know what else to do. It seems so stupid. I just want to go and hug her. I knew it was terrible for the folk's who have family and friend's in hospitals - especially in ICUs, not even being able to go in to comfort them. It really is one of the cruelest aspects of it.
If you can take your loved ones out of their nursing homes do it. I cannot even begin to explain how powerless, and guilty, and sad about how I feel - how awful it's been to know that the phone call has been coming, and dreading and anticipating it everyday.
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hope that your grandma manages to be one of the recoveries one of the arguments against female hormones in treatment of men was that elderly women have higher rates of survival
my heart is with you and yours tho
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morrowasted said: "What are you gonna do, infect me?"
- last words of bodhi before getting infected

Anyway, i do hang out with small groups of people again.
I was talking to a doctor recently and he said he thinks the UV light does actually make a difference in transmission. I asked but isnt it mostly being transmitted indoors and he said the UV could still damage the virus. Like for example a way people qre often getting it is to touch something inside and then touch their faces later on outside. But whenever you walk outside in certain places he was arguing the UV light may kill the virus on peoples hands and faces before they inoculate themselves. Idk sounded possible
I expect to get it Eventually. Its earth now. Its what we deal with. We don't hibernate for 2 years to solve it. We lost some people and come out the other side
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#26672435 - 05/15/20 10:56 AM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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Besides now everyone is pretending like they give a fuck about the other people around them. Lol
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#26672438 - 05/15/20 10:58 AM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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Thankyou, I sincerely appreciate your kindness . She seems so frail, but she is a fighter. Born poor, came to America in the 30's as a young girl, lost half her family in the process and few following years, widowed early, put her kid through college on her own, and retired rich without ever marrying again. We didn't(and the only reason I say didn't is because the dementia has seemingly improved this issue oddly enough) always get along, but she's my grandma, she's been there for me as long as my mother has, and I love her. And I'm one of maybe two people that she still recognizes consistently, even more so than my mom. She's stronger than she seems, but the only thing I can do is hope.
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#26672441 - 05/15/20 10:59 AM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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bodhisatta said: Besides now everyone is pretending like they give a fuck about the other people around them. Lol
Some people always did.
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