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Re: Viral outbreak in China [Re: InfiniteDreams] * 1
    #26667392 - 05/12/20 07:42 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

The all-cause mortality rates are showing massive increases in average death rates coinciding exactly with the outbreak in all the places that are having COVID surges. The large increases are far higher than the reported COVID deaths, and a large percentage of them are from known common secondary-complications of COVID. This is with a shutdown that at the same time is slowing the spread of a whole host of other infectious diseases that would normally contribute to all-cause mortality, so the non-covid baseline for this year should theoretically be lower and therefore suggest an even higher % of possible underreporting.


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Re: Viral outbreak in China [Re: InfiniteDreams] * 1
    #26667395 - 05/12/20 07:42 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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The only interpretation that matters is the court’s. They say it’s legal to require people to be quarantined if there is a public health emergency.




What court?  Baseless.  "They" haven't actually quarantined anyone.  It is all just recommendations in the US if you pay attention. 

Sad that people struggle for centuries to achieve these measures of freedom that are stripped away in an instant with someone's vague threat.




Baseless? There are Supreme Court decisions. The states have broad powers to issue quarantines and curfews.

https://www.americanbar.org/news/abanews/publications/youraba/2020/youraba-april-2020/law-guides-legal-approach-to-pandemic/


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Re: Viral outbreak in China [Re: feevers] * 1
    #26667398 - 05/12/20 07:43 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

I've decided we are talking to a brick wall, feevers.


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Re: Viral outbreak in China [Re: koods]
    #26667400 - 05/12/20 07:44 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

The governor of Virginia extended the ban on business activity for another two weeks in northern Virginia


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Re: Viral outbreak in China [Re: koods]
    #26667404 - 05/12/20 07:47 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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  It is all just recommendations in the US if you pay attention.




almost as if people are bitching over problems that mostly only exist in their minds


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Re: Viral outbreak in China [Re: koods]
    #26667410 - 05/12/20 07:51 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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I’ll say it again, people who say we are overcounting covid deaths need to provide an alternate explanation for why the US saw an extra 100,000 deaths in April 2020 compared to the April average.

Hamhead, what is your explanation for the 50% increase in mortality in the US?




Stress.

Suicide.

Drug overdoses.

Domestic violence.

Non covid related heart disease made worse by not visiting a hospital.

Medical mistakes causing death.

Diabetes.

Homicide.

Alcohol.

Heart attacks.

Should I go on?

Again, damn near every death has been counted as covid when we are using probable cause and assumptions.


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Re: Viral outbreak in China [Re: HamHead] * 5
    #26667414 - 05/12/20 07:54 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

You can’t just name things. You need to explain the massive increase in mortality.


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Re: Viral outbreak in China [Re: HamHead] * 1
    #26667417 - 05/12/20 07:55 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

drug overdose hospitalizations are down right now here, as are automobile accident hospitalizations. there is no perceptible increase in hospitalizations for non-covid related reasons here at the moment, only decreases in hospitalizations for other reasons


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Re: Viral outbreak in China [Re: morrowasted]
    #26667421 - 05/12/20 07:57 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Homicides are down as well


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Re: Viral outbreak in China [Re: morrowasted] * 1
    #26667423 - 05/12/20 07:58 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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I've decided we are talking to a brick wall, feevers.




I need to just hide this thread :lol:


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Re: Viral outbreak in China [Re: morrowasted] * 2
    #26667426 - 05/12/20 08:00 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

https://www.erinbromage.com/post/where-we-are-now

Was my Sickness in November/December/January CoVID-19

The data would say no. It appears the virus first jumped into humans in ~November of 2019. The first person that we know was infected with this virus was an 81 year old Chinese man with no links to the now famous Wuhan wet-market. 10 days later, a seafood merchant became sick. By December 16th there were 41 cases of a disease with unknown etiology (cause), more than half of those people sick had a link to the market. Thus, the wet market was NOT the origins of the outbreak, possibly just a site of a super-spreading event.


Over the next 2 weeks, scientist from the Wuhan Institute of Virology (and others) reported people with a severe pneumonia being admitted to ICU.


Doctors started sampling bronchoalveolar fluid on December 24th to try and isolate the infectious agent. By December 30th, the first partial genome sequence of the virus was released internally to the Chinese CDC, it wrongly classifying the virus as SARS (the 2003 version).  Worried doctors started sharing this information privately.


By January 1st 2020, only 250 or so people had the infection. On the same day, the WHO and US CDC Director were briefed by the Chinese CDC director about a severe but unknown viral outbreak. 


On January 3rd, China formally notified the USA of the outbreak. 


On January 5th, the Chinese CDC submitted the complete genome of the virus isolated from sick patients.


From isolation of an unknown virus to a complete genomic sequence was less than 2 weeks.


In the period, January 1st through the 15th.  There were a lot of mixed messages and unknowns about the virus and how it was transmitted. At this stage only 2 people had died, and they were not certain of human-to-human transmission yet.


On January 16th a molecular diagnostic test was developed by German Scientists and adopted worldwide, including by WHO.


It appears the first case of this new virus entered the USA on or around January 15th. It is estimated that ~45 people brought the virus into the USA between Jan 15th-30th, most were dead end infections (they fizzled out), and only a few of those infected people (~9) started outbreaks in the USA (Washington, California, and New York). This information is based off the genetic sequencing and analysis being run on Nextstrain.org.


Countries around the world, started confirming cases in late January (Australia, Malaysia, Japan, Hong Kong, UK, Russia, basically, everywhere that looked).     


First cases in the USA were diagnosed in the last week of January. 


By January 30th, the 10th update from WHO was given, declaring the outbreak an PHEIC (Public Health Emergency of International Concern). This new virus joined other active PHEIC's; Ebola and Polio. The WHO designated that COVID-19 risk to the world was high.


January 31st: US closed its borders to people who had visited China in the past 14 days. This definitely helped stop more seeding events from Mainland China. 


Late January into February, the outbreak in China escalated, taking until mid-March to control.


Basically, we know with a high degree of certainty that the outbreak originated from a single spillover event in China, in November, it spread at low levels until early December, and then hit a sentinel population mid December resulting in hospitalizations.  The virus, through movement of people, moved from Wuhan to the rest of the world over the next 30 days. The initial seeding event in the USA was around January 15th.  With many more seeding events occurring in February from infected people coming from Europe.   


Bottom line, nope, your sickness last year was something else...

And before anyone says my body, my choice to risk infection. Just like your right to throw a punch ends at my nose, your right to ignore community-wide safety precautions ends at the lungs of healthcare workers and anyone else you interact.

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Re: Viral outbreak in China [Re: HamHead] * 1
    #26667442 - 05/12/20 08:11 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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Again, damn near every death has been counted as covid when we are using probable cause and assumptions.




Did you read, like, a single thing in my post?

How were there 24,000 more deaths than usual in NY, and 5000 of them have not been assessed for or reported as COVID, if everything is being labeled as COVID?

And these are excess deaths, everything you listed is being reported as such and goes towards the average death baseline.

But I'm sure you'll add some youtube link or quote from someone who makes accusations but doesn't address any of this.


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Re: Viral outbreak in China [Re: feevers]
    #26667470 - 05/12/20 08:29 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Stress. Stress of quarantine, or thoughts of leading up to. Many people saw it coming, ramping up stress hormones.

Suicide. Obvious when millions have lost employment.

Drug overdose. Again, obvious when people sit at home, bored.

Domestic violence. Tempers flare, people die. Amirite?

Non covid related heart disease. Fear drives this one, as people are afraid to seek needed medical care.

Medical mistakes. With a weakened medical force, people are preforming procedures they may not be familiar with. Shoving a tube down someones throat might take some practice.

Diabetes. More people eating shit take out. Nuff said.

Homicide. Less police, more murder. :shrug:

Alcohol. Deemed essential. I wonder why.

Heart attacks. Many factors leading to these, stress is a major one.

Did I do good?

I didn't think so.

5000 is a drop in the bucket out of 18mil.

Edit. Ah look, no youtube link and only one :taco:


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Re: Viral outbreak in China [Re: HamHead] * 3
    #26667498 - 05/12/20 08:48 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

You're statistically wrong on most of that, and would know that if you looked at publicly available crime and medical reports, or used common sense on things like "medical mistakes" when the vast majority of the treatments that usually cause those deaths are not occuring right now. Homicides in NYC rose a total of 3 people from last year, overdoses are negligible, suicides are stable, etc.



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Did I do good?

I didn't think so.





I'm going to leave it on something we can agree upon.

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Re: Viral outbreak in China [Re: feevers]
    #26667508 - 05/12/20 08:56 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

How's the reopening?


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Re: Viral outbreak in China [Re: koods] * 1
    #26667514 - 05/12/20 09:01 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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I spent the day picking shrooms. Didn’t see another soul the whole time. I didn’t violate any rules or even the spirit of the rules.






Yes you did violate the spirit of the rules. If you feel so concerned you should be ready to go nowhere. Not outside. Nowhere. Like everyone else

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I think the problem is that most people live in areas that, for a variety of reasons, didn't have an early and rapid spread like the cities in NY/NJ/MA and elsewhere. Lots of areas will now get to understand what that's like once things reopen. Luckily they now have had the advanced prep time to stock up on PPE and medical supplies and see what's worked elsewhere in the country, and many people will still avoid unnecessary exposure and hopefully wear their masks and wash their hands.

There's a podcast for Boston Public Radio that gives good insight on what went on during the outbreak here. It's not a democrat/republican thing, we have a republican governor and he's the one being super gradual about the reopening, with a phased out plan based upon the numbers and focusing on testing and contact tracing.

Things spread so quickly here in Boston that people were already leaving their work, restaurants were empty, workers were afraid to commute on public transport, colleges were closing, all a week or more before stay at home recommendations were made. Hundreds of hospital workers began getting sick right as things were getting shut down. No shutdown would've led to disaster.

It"s not an either or thing with health/life or the economy, if things were left open it would've effectively shut down our economy anyway. No shutdown would've meant no federal assistance for all the restaurants and other small businesses that were no longer doing any business because people were staying home. That would cause layoffs and no federal unemployment for those workers, leaving even less money circulating and businesses needing to pay out tons in unemployment. Fauci alluded to that today but people who didn't experience a surge don't want to try to understand what the situation would've realistically looked like.

Even in Sweden bars and some other businesses were shutdown, gatherings were limited to 50 or fewer, restaurants could only operate at half capacity, a large portion of the population was staying home following government recommendations, and all the same recommendations and public health practices as here were issued. Their death rate is bad, and their economy took a huge hit and unemployment is rising also. That's without even considering all the huge differences between the US and Sweden.

The fact that so many people are complaining was one of the outcomes public health experts expected if the shutdown did what it was supposed to, and flattened the curve. Things definitely weren't done perfectly, but it was a lose-lose situation from the start.




This is what it all comes down to. The Feds would give no Federal assistance without the lockdown. I think this is the problem. Without being on the Feds leash all the businesses that need to shut down because they could not maintain social distancing in their type of business and be healthy could not get assistance. The US Democracy seems to be an "all for one" kind of plan. Lot of people did not get assistance btw. But businesses did and obviously they will bring back the jobs and bucks when the time comes. But this should change. A county to county quarantine plan should be possible

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I’m applying to be a contact tracer




Way to go. Taking some responsibility geared towards your attitude of what is on your mind. You get one point

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No where in the constitution does it say you can’t be quarantined and ordered to stay home. That kind of thing has happened throughout US history.




The constitution is to limit the government, not the people.  Realizing that the actual US Constitution did not realize this, the Bill of Rights was written.

the Bill of Rights amendments add to the Constitution specific guarantees of personal freedoms and rights, clear limitations on the government's power in judicial and other proceedings, and explicit declarations that all powers not specifically granted to the U.S. Congress by the Constitution are reserved for the states or the people.




Despite people who have known this their whole lives many still argue for policies that oppose this way of thinking and somehow blindly look right past the fact that they are contradicting "limiting the government and not the people"

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People can be quarantined. There are centuries of legal precedent for it. Your interpretation of the constitution is totally irrelevant. All that matters is what the courts say and they say it’s legal




If and when a real "quarantine" happens you will not be able to walk through the woods. Are you ready? Are you sure you are ready? I feel you support it more then anyone. I too love my freedom and the ability to walk through the woods. But that time comes that is one liberty you will not enjoy

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People can be quarantined. There are centuries of legal precedent for it. Your interpretation of the constitution is totally irrelevant. All that matters is what the courts say and they say it’s legal




My interpretation?  You mean the literal definition and accepted interpretation of historians and practicing lawyers.




Good luck. Brick wall

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I’ll say it again, people who say we are overcounting covid deaths need to provide an alternate explanation for why the US saw an extra 100,000 deaths in April 2020 compared to the April average.

Hamhead, what is your explanation for the 50% increase in mortality in the US?




Quarantine coming. Right? You support it. Lock up your hiking books with a padlock. Its the spirit of things

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People can be quarantined. There are centuries of legal precedent for it. Your interpretation of the constitution is totally irrelevant. All that matters is what the courts say and they say it’s legal




My interpretation?  You mean the literal definition and accepted interpretation of historians and practicing lawyers.




The only interpretation that matters is the court’s. They say it’s legal to require people to be quarantined if there is a public health emergency.




Which really never happened anyway according to the definition

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No where in the constitution does it say you can’t be quarantined and ordered to stay home. That kind of thing has happened throughout US history.




The constitution is to limit the government, not the people.  Realizing that the actual US Constitution did not realize this, the Bill of Rights was written.

the Bill of Rights amendments add to the Constitution specific guarantees of personal freedoms and rights, clear limitations on the government's power in judicial and other proceedings, and explicit declarations that all powers not specifically granted to the U.S. Congress by the Constitution are reserved for the states or the people.




Did you know one of the powers of the Congress is to suspend civil rights? They have to power to suspend your writ of habeus corpus and detain you without charges.




Unless it interferes with their money. Then its easier to just "slow things down" then carry out any measures that matter


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Re: Viral outbreak in China [Re: morrowasted]
    #26667523 - 05/12/20 09:08 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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The only interpretation that matters is the court’s. They say it’s legal to require people to be quarantined if there is a public health emergency.




What court?  Baseless.  "They" haven't actually quarantined anyone.  It is all just recommendations in the US if you pay attention. 

Sad that people struggle for centuries to achieve these measures of freedom that are stripped away in an instant with someone's vague threat.




A lot of people don't understand this

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No where in the constitution does it say you can’t be quarantined and ordered to stay home. That kind of thing has happened throughout US history.




The constitution is to limit the government, not the people.  Realizing that the actual US Constitution did not realize this, the Bill of Rights was written.

the Bill of Rights amendments add to the Constitution specific guarantees of personal freedoms and rights, clear limitations on the government's power in judicial and other proceedings, and explicit declarations that all powers not specifically granted to the U.S. Congress by the Constitution are reserved for the states or the people.




Did you know one of the powers of the Congress is to suspend civil rights? They have to power to suspend your writ of habeus corpus and detain you without charges.




I'm not sure what your point is, but if I ever become dictator you will be my first choice to enforce my policies.



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The all-cause mortality rates are showing massive increases in average death rates coinciding exactly with the outbreak in all the places that are having COVID surges. The large increases are far higher than the reported COVID deaths, and a large percentage of them are from known common secondary-complications of COVID. This is with a shutdown that at the same time is slowing the spread of a whole host of other infectious diseases that would normally contribute to all-cause mortality, so the non-covid baseline for this year should theoretically be lower and therefore suggest an even higher % of possible underreporting.




Much higher. Probably tens of millions. Look historically at HIV outbreaks and the numbers of people tested later who never were tested because it takes so long for T cell count to drop. The estimates and actuality are a constantly changing thing. As is the difference between the infection rate and the mortality rate

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The only interpretation that matters is the court’s. They say it’s legal to require people to be quarantined if there is a public health emergency.




What court?  Baseless.  "They" haven't actually quarantined anyone.  It is all just recommendations in the US if you pay attention. 

Sad that people struggle for centuries to achieve these measures of freedom that are stripped away in an instant with someone's vague threat.




Baseless? There are Supreme Court decisions. The states have broad powers to issue quarantines and curfews.

https://www.americanbar.org/news/abanews/publications/youraba/2020/youraba-april-2020/law-guides-legal-approach-to-pandemic/




Why was a real quarantine never issued? People are upholding the current limitations as though they are making a difference. A minor one if anything

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  It is all just recommendations in the US if you pay attention.




almost as if people are bitching over problems that mostly only exist in their minds




Depends where you live. In some areas they park the freezer trucks outside to load up the bodies. In other areas the problem might as well be in their imagination if you live on a farm on a mountain top in Montana. Is the containment in New York surely why the average yokel is doing so well? Or is it totally unrelated?

Now before you hop on how its a huge difference well ACCORDING TO KOODS ITS NOT WITH ENOUGH SPACE OUTSIDE YOU HAVE NOTHING TO WORRY ABOUT


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Re: Viral outbreak in China [Re: feevers]
    #26667533 - 05/12/20 09:13 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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You're statistically wrong on most of that, and would know that if you looked at publicly available crime and medical reports, or used common sense on things like "medical mistakes" when the vast majority of the treatments that usually cause those deaths are not occuring right now.



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Did I do good?

I didn't think so.





I'm going to leave it on something we can agree upon.

:raisemyglass:




Cool. I can be wrong. Seems that's all I've been lately, huh? I mean, why think about this any other way, just follow along with whatever CDC guidelines, like a speed limit, right?

New York is under a lot of fire for practically forcing nursing homes to take in people without being tested. Could that be cause for extra deaths?

Domestic flights never stopped. Why? If we are so fucking concerned about a deadly virus, flights would have been grounded and no one would have been able to fly giving any virus a chance to spread.

I have a coworker who's sister died in early April. She was in and out of hospitals for 13+ years from a vaccine that caused encephalitis in her brain. She was in and out of comas, all sorts of meds for many years. Her death was counted as a Covid death because she tested positive. Now, do you think Covid was the cause of her death, or could it have it been any other of a number of things she was going through?

I understand her case is only one of many, but why was hers counted as Covid when she was practically dead before all this started? In fact, she was in for a urinary tract infection not a month before she died.


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    #26667542 - 05/12/20 09:18 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

If mental gymnastics were an Olympic sport, you'd have a gold medal by now.


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    #26667545 - 05/12/20 09:22 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Bringing infected people into nursing homes would obviously have a good chance of increasing deaths, but those would be easy to identify covid deaths so I'm not sure how it relates.

What are the odds that after being in and out of hospitals for 13 years, she just happens to die at the exact same time she's infected with a deadly virus, and the deadly virus played no role? The odds are statistically insignificant, which is a very important and well-defined concept to learn if you want to argue about epidemiology.


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