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Re: Viral outbreak in China [COVID 19 aka. SARS-CoV-2 aka "Wuhan Coronavirus"] [Re: EyeEatMushrooms]
    #26513760 - 03/02/20 11:06 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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I mean we all stll take shipments from people in infected areas,  I got pipes shipped from a man in an infected part of china, how do  Iknow he didn't put bat saliva in my pipes and purposely ship the virus to americaa??




I would sanitize em in a mixture of 25ml bleach + 25ml acetic acid in a liter of water, Or boiled/steam them till they crack or melt, i mean for 10-20m if sanitizer is out of hand :peace:


Edit: Oh dont forget the hands, just dont boil them just like the pipes though.


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Re: Viral outbreak in China [COVID 19 aka. SARS-CoV-2 aka "Wuhan Coronavirus"] [Re: Amanita86]
    #26513872 - 03/03/20 01:59 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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The guns!:willynilly:




Ive posted in a separate thread.


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Re: Viral outbreak in China [COVID 19 aka. SARS-CoV-2 aka "Wuhan Coronavirus"] [Re: pacmanbreed] * 1
    #26513989 - 03/03/20 05:29 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

I haven’t read through the thread yet, so I’m not sure what has already been discussed. I had work lined up in Japan for 2020-2021. I was scheduled to depart last week. The project was cancelled because of the virus. I’ve friends throughout Asia and they have been sharing their experiences with me. Their jobs have “temporarily” shut down for the last month and there have been more cities and regions of the world in quarantine than what is being reported in the media.


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Re: Viral outbreak in China [COVID 19 aka. SARS-CoV-2 aka "Wuhan Coronavirus"] [Re: Dream-Time]
    #26514022 - 03/03/20 06:13 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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I haven’t read through the thread yet, so I’m not sure what has already been discussed. I had work lined up in Japan for 2020-2021. I was scheduled to depart last week. The project was cancelled because of the virus. I’ve friends throughout Asia and they have been sharing their experiences with me. Their jobs have “temporarily” shut down for the last month and there have been more cities and regions of the world in quarantine than what is being reported in the media.




Which cities and regions exactly? Share the knowledge with us.

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Re: Viral outbreak in China [COVID 19 aka. SARS-CoV-2 aka "Wuhan Coronavirus"] [Re: tomnl]
    #26514057 - 03/03/20 07:05 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

It’s not my place to do that, but I would say that it is sensible to watch what unfolds in SE Asia and Japan over the next three weeks


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Re: Viral outbreak in China [COVID 19 aka. SARS-CoV-2 aka "Wuhan Coronavirus"] [Re: Dream-Time] * 2
    #26514072 - 03/03/20 07:18 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

The next 3 weeks are likely going to be a spectacle all over the world. Every day lately I see the number of registered infected outside of China increase by thousands more than the day before.

Around the turn of the month came the tipping point where empghasis is shifting from confirmed cases in China to confirmed cases in the outside world.

It used to be so easy watching Chinese air traffic, now the list gets longer.

I judge my own countries measures very harshly. Its not in tune with what is factually known about the virus and its capabilities.

I trust its a mess in most countries. Inadequate containment measures. Even still, China's containment measures were unreasonably draconian and it ripped right through them.

Its reasonable to assume that a large number of people will get this illness. This will be very disruptive to society. COVID is so much more than just a death rate, its a fast number of very sick people, its explosive spread and paralyzing actoion on society. You just dont carry on business as usual in a society where a good number of people have this. You have to protect the schools and old folks homes, you have to cut down events, you run into logistic supply issues.

You can scoff at 1,2 or 3% fatality, but its so much more than that, to society.


China is producing and shipping SO MUCH LESS goods the world needs that its perennial air pollition has near completely dissolved. Good news for Chinese lungs, very bad news for the supply chains all over the world that rely on China. For one, most pharmaceutical precursors and raw pharmaceuticals are made in china. Imagine at once no heart pills for granddad and no asthma drug for your kid sister.





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Re: Viral outbreak in China [COVID 19 aka. SARS-CoV-2 aka "Wuhan Coronavirus"] [Re: Asante]
    #26514350 - 03/03/20 10:12 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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For one, most pharmaceutical precursors and raw pharmaceuticals are made in china. Imagine at once no heart pills for granddad and no asthma drug for your kid sister.





As I understand it all production in China is not stopped. Production of medical-related stuff is still onging, because of it's vital importance in the current situation. If that covers precursors or not.... who knows. It could.

Or do you have any good source stating exaclty what is shut down?


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Re: Viral outbreak in China [COVID 19 aka. SARS-CoV-2 aka "Wuhan Coronavirus"] [Re: Malkuthian]
    #26514362 - 03/03/20 10:19 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

Nobody has that, that's strategic information, China wouldnt give that up for the world.


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Re: Viral outbreak in China [COVID 19 aka. SARS-CoV-2 aka "Wuhan Coronavirus"] [Re: Asante]
    #26514419 - 03/03/20 10:56 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

I live in a very small rural town in East Oregon.

we got four confirmed cases in 24 hours


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Re: Viral outbreak in China [COVID 19 aka. SARS-CoV-2 aka "Wuhan Coronavirus"] [Re: TNK]
    #26514445 - 03/03/20 11:09 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

Multiple cases in my home town too.

Its several times more infectious as flu so its like mice, if you see 1 you got 10.

Better hoard some.


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Re: Viral outbreak in China [COVID 19 aka. SARS-CoV-2 aka "Wuhan Coronavirus"] [Re: Asante] * 1
    #26514706 - 03/03/20 02:21 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

Russia and Eastern Europe has access to Arbidol (umifenovir) and Darunavir. Over the counter access in Russia. I wonder how disease progression will work there with anti viral drugs available.


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Re: Viral outbreak in China [COVID 19 aka. SARS-CoV-2 aka "Wuhan Coronavirus"] [Re: bodhisatta] * 1
    #26514776 - 03/03/20 02:57 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

“The death toll skews old even more strongly. Overall, China CDC found, 2.3% of confirmed cases died. But the fatality rate was 14.8% in people 80 or older, likely reflecting the presence of other diseases, a weaker immune system, or simply worse overall health. By contrast, the fatality rate was 1.3% in 50-somethings, 0.4% in 40-somethings, and 0.2% in people 10 to 39.”

Source: World Health Organisation

Anyone else seeing statistics like this?
If it’s true seems like you should be alright if you are young to middle aged and fit.
 

Spread facts not fear


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Re: Viral outbreak in China [COVID 19 aka. SARS-CoV-2 aka "Wuhan Coronavirus"] [Re: sharpie117] * 1
    #26514886 - 03/03/20 03:59 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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sharpie117 said:
“The death toll skews old even more strongly. Overall, China CDC found, 2.3% of confirmed cases died. But the fatality rate was 14.8% in people 80 or older, likely reflecting the presence of other diseases, a weaker immune system, or simply worse overall health. By contrast, the fatality rate was 1.3% in 50-somethings, 0.4% in 40-somethings, and 0.2% in people 10 to 39.”

Source: World Health Organisation

Anyone else seeing statistics like this?
If it’s true seems like you should be alright if you are young to middle aged and fit.
 


Spread facts not fear




Yeah because we are all young, and dont have any loved ones that are old. And even if you do, fuck em, just think about yourself know what i mean???:trippingsheens:


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Re: Viral outbreak in China [Re: tomnl]
    #26514898 - 03/03/20 04:10 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)



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Re: Viral outbreak in China [COVID 19 aka. SARS-CoV-2 aka "Wuhan Coronavirus"] [Re: tomnl] * 1
    #26514929 - 03/03/20 04:28 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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tomnl said:
Quote:

sharpie117 said:
“The death toll skews old even more strongly. Overall, China CDC found, 2.3% of confirmed cases died. But the fatality rate was 14.8% in people 80 or older, likely reflecting the presence of other diseases, a weaker immune system, or simply worse overall health. By contrast, the fatality rate was 1.3% in 50-somethings, 0.4% in 40-somethings, and 0.2% in people 10 to 39.”

Source: World Health Organisation

Anyone else seeing statistics like this?
If it’s true seems like you should be alright if you are young to middle aged and fit.
 


Spread facts not fear




Yeah because we are all young, and dont have any loved ones that are old. And even if you do, fuck em, just think about yourself know what i mean???:trippingsheens:




Because that’s exactly what I meant.
How do you know I’m not in an age group at risk?

Maybe spreading facts like this would stop people at little risk from this virus panic buying and clearing out stores of items that are more use to others.

Maybe restrict access to vulnerable areas like retirement homes for their protection.


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Re: Viral outbreak in China [COVID 19 aka. SARS-CoV-2 aka "Wuhan Coronavirus"] [Re: sharpie117]
    #26514934 - 03/03/20 04:30 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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sharpie117 said:
“The death toll skews old even more strongly. Overall, China CDC found, 2.3% of confirmed cases died. But the fatality rate was 14.8% in people 80 or older, likely reflecting the presence of other diseases, a weaker immune system, or simply worse overall health. By contrast, the fatality rate was 1.3% in 50-somethings, 0.4% in 40-somethings, and 0.2% in people 10 to 39.”

Source: World Health Organisation

Anyone else seeing statistics like this?
If it’s true seems like you should be alright if you are young to middle aged and fit.
 

Spread facts not fear





Fuck the old and infirm, right?

I'm a risk population due to my heart disease, I saw mortality for that quoted as 10+% and thats not even counting my other detrimental health factors. This, and COVID is at large in my town, out of quarantine.


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Re: Viral outbreak in China [COVID 19 aka. SARS-CoV-2 aka "Wuhan Coronavirus"] [Re: Asante] * 1
    #26514974 - 03/03/20 04:48 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

What is with you guys?

Can you please point out where I implied fuck the old.

I simple pointed out those middle age and healthy have little to be concerned about at this point.

Seems if your not screaming this is the end in this tread you get jumped on.

Where I come from bushfires are a huge risk every year being at a state of alert saves lives nothing good comes from panic and fear.


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Re: Viral outbreak in China [COVID 19 aka. SARS-CoV-2 aka "Wuhan Coronavirus"] [Re: sharpie117]
    #26515008 - 03/03/20 05:04 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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I simple pointed out those middle age and healthy have little to be concerned about at this point.




World society is entering a crisis because of this, there is much more to a pandemic of severe illness than just the number of the dead.

They aren't anonymous numbers.

20% of people gets serious illness such as pneumonia. 5% gets critical illness that would likely lead to death in the home. (respiratory failure, septic shoc, multiple organ failure).

All those people have families, friends, collegues, neighbors.

We are a very interdependent, interconnected system, worldwide. That system is in the process of being messed with, substantially.


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Re: Viral outbreak in China [COVID 19 aka. SARS-CoV-2 aka "Wuhan Coronavirus"] [Re: Asante]
    #26515011 - 03/03/20 05:05 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)



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Re: Viral outbreak in China [COVID 19 aka. SARS-CoV-2 aka "Wuhan Coronavirus"] [Re: Asante]
    #26515034 - 03/03/20 05:15 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

So what’s with your fuck the old and infirm, right? Comment

Read through those posts.
I was showing how using facts and figures could do the opposite instead of just putting the whole population into a spin.


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