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Re: Viral outbreak in China - Coronavirus 2020 Pandemic [Re: koods] * 1
    #26665039 - 05/11/20 05:44 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)



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Re: Viral outbreak in China - Coronavirus 2020 Pandemic [Re: morrowasted] * 1
    #26665056 - 05/11/20 05:56 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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Mostly a reply to pirate-blues

There is a lot of overlap between the over signs and symptoms and various diseases.

An embolism is basically something floating through your blood that shouldn't be there that has the potential to get stuck or disrupt bloodflow somewhere in the vasculature. The common types are caused by air, blood clots, and fat (usually associated with broken long bones that havent been properly stabilized).

Decompression sickness isn't something you commonly see in a medical setting so I had to look it up but my opinion is that the similarity between the two is mostly superficial. My understanding is that it causes small air embolisms in the arterial vasculature.

You have various chemicals in your body responsible for creating and breaking apart blood clots. These chemicals are synthesized by the liver, and the way they behave is regulated by factors like the state of the tissue lining the blood vessels (endothelium) and the state of a hormone system called the renin-angiotension-aldosterone system (RAAS), which is controlled by the kidneys.

COVID19 causes blood clots in some people by altering the function of either the liver, the kidneys, the endothelium, or all three. The two key clotting players appear to be fibrinogen and tissue plasminogen activator. An elevated level of the former and reduced level of the latter are prognostic of clotting events. It appears to cause them throughout the vasculature. These lead to what is called tissue ischemia throughout the vital organs, which is a lack of oxygen delivery.

To make matters worse, COVID19 appears to reduce the oxygen-carrying capacity of blood by interfering with the ability of blood cells to incorporate iron into the blood cell.



Viral sepsis makes your liver and kidneys fail progressively by causing massive systemic vasodilation. When your blood vessels dilate, your blood pressure drops, and perfusion to your vital organs decreases. Your kidneys and liver go first, because your other vital organs are more important. This kidney/liver failure causes the dysregulation of the RAAS with the blood clotting factors.

The big big problem is we have a shitload of people walking around with kidney failure, uncontrolled diabetes/hypertension, and/or are on prophylactic anticoagulants for various diseases like atrial fibrillation or deep vein thrombosis. For those people very little can be done.

In the case of people on anticoagulant therapy it is often contraindicated because it puts them at risk of bleeding, especially intracranial bleeding.

People with kidney failure end up with severe respiratory distress additionally. As their kidneys fail, their blood becomes progressively acidic. Typically, the hypothalamus would attempt to compensate for inability of the kidneys to eliminate acids by increasing respiratory rate and depth to expel CO2, which is acidic, more rapidly (this is called Kussmaul breathing). Because COVID19 patients have pneumonia and a severe cough, kussmaul breathing is essentially impossible. The same is true of people with uncontrolled diabetes, although this is easier to acutely reverse/control in a medical center. hese patients almost always have to be intubated, but their prognosis is very poor.

High blood pressure places the individual at increased risk for heart attack, pulmonary embolism (in this case a clot stuck in the pulmonary arteries prevent blood from flowing into the lungs to be oxygenated), or a stroke.

The comparison was made with altitude sickness because with COVID19 patients without those conditions the CO2 level is frequently normal even when the O2 level is low, so they sometimes present without shortness of breath despite having pneumonia and low oxygen levels.






Right on, thank you for a very cohesive and well thought out explanation. I didn't really think that there was anything more than a superficial similarity, but I sure do hope that there is some merit for hyperbaric oxygen therapy.

Although I don't know if that's all that scalable. You'd probably pretty much have to outfit a shit ton of hospitals with a diving chamber to accommodate multiple patients at once. Luckily it seems like 90 minutes a day is sufficient treatment for even the most severe patients. So...:strokebeard: idk.




Anyway, here is another pretty interesting graph that offers some food for thought on mitigation efforts. I'm not convinced that the fall of cases can be credited solely to simply cancelling major events and large gatherings, but it sure seems like that combined with a change of behavior in the public(masks, handwashing, social distancing) really got that downward trend rolling.





I'm also not sure what measures have been relaxed in Germany thus far, so I'm curious to see where this is going in the next few weeks.


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Re: Viral outbreak in China [Re: pirate-blues]
    #26665285 - 05/11/20 07:43 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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I gotta admit though, as far as strictly business goes, she just hit big

:winnersurprise:

half a mil raised for her for spending a a few days in jail and a few fines

and she just got the best marketing ever, it's now the most famous salon in the city of Dallas and supposedly it's booked solid for the next couple months or something




Wouldn't be surprised if there's a new one of these every week or so.





This week's cashout happened in my state:

https://www.boston.com/news/coronavirus/2020/05/11/polar-cave-ice-cream-parlour-gofundme?s_campaign=bcom:socialflow:facebook

20k so far to a 17 year old who spent a shift at an ice cream shop getting yelled at because people didn't understand or want to follow the covid order-ahead rule.

This doesn't look like a politically driven one, it's just the perfect time to cash out when everyone is highly emotional and sitting home and seeing the latest COVID scandals on social media and the news all day. I understand the sentiment on this one because the situation was pretty ridiculous, but what will likely end up as a 30k+ gift for getting yelled at for a few hours is pretty wild.

I have some internal emails about my company willfully putting people at risk (leading to 2 deaths so far) that could be sent to local news sources, and possibly generate a nice gofundme payday for myself and a couple coworkers who spoke up and then had to quit over it if promoted well enough. I don't have the energy for that though :sad:


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Re: Viral outbreak in China [Re: feevers]
    #26665342 - 05/11/20 08:09 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

man we need to work on our social distancing...and other stuff too...like maybe minimizing rapper twitter beefs



party of 600 in Fort Worth that ended in a shootout that left 5 people injured and two in critical because of a rapper twitter beef


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Re: Viral outbreak in China [Re: Niffla] * 4
    #26665378 - 05/11/20 08:25 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Yeah that's the rub.


Re-opening safely might be doable if people are willing to cooperate and be responsible and tolerable to the changes that we're all going to have to deal with.



Aaaaand...well, if there's one thing America loves it's not cooperating. Preferably while armed.


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Re: Viral outbreak in China [Re: pirate-blues]
    #26665422 - 05/11/20 08:52 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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Yeah that's the rub.


Re-opening safely might be doable if people are willing to cooperate and be responsible and tolerable to the changes that we're all going to have to deal with.



Aaaaand...well, if there's one thing America loves it's not cooperating. Preferably while armed.




And how long will these changes be for? Will I be told every fucking flu season I have to mask up or I get arrested or fined?

What a joke.

I'm willing to bet when whatever vaccine comes out, employers will force employees to vaccinate or else.

Fuck your rights, your body, mind and spirit.


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Re: Viral outbreak in China [Re: HamHead] * 1
    #26665424 - 05/11/20 08:53 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Sounds like you've succumbed to the fear mate.

Not quite the same fear as most, but fear nonetheless; it's clear as day, IMO.


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Re: Viral outbreak in China [Re: Jokeshopbeard] * 2
    #26665426 - 05/11/20 08:57 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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I'm willing to bet when whatever vaccine comes out, employers will force employees to vaccinate or else.




That’s an excellent idea


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Re: Viral outbreak in China [Re: Jokeshopbeard]
    #26665430 - 05/11/20 09:00 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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Sounds like you've succumbed to the fear mate.

Not quite the same fear as most, but fear nonetheless; it's clear as day, IMO.




Yeah, fear of a god damn mobile health unit knocking on my door wanting to stick me with some foriegn vaccination.

Fear of being ripped away from life because I test positive for some virus that I didn't even show any symptoms for. Being called asymptomatic when I'm a healthy individual.

What are you afraid of, a flu?


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Re: Viral outbreak in China [Re: HamHead] * 1
    #26665455 - 05/11/20 09:15 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

That’s quite the assumption that you wouldn’t have symptoms

Finland did a proper random antibody survey with ELISA confirmation testing of positive results and they discovered that the infection rate was only 3 times higher than their official confirmed case number. People are getting lulled into a false sense of security becasue of these reports of widespread asymptomatic infections. These surveys have not been random samples and they are using tests that have a high rate of false positives:


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Re: Viral outbreak in China [Re: koods]
    #26665458 - 05/11/20 09:16 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

A vaccine might not be bad. I cant really say.


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Re: Viral outbreak in China [Re: watermelon mon] * 1
    #26665473 - 05/11/20 09:28 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

You think a vaccine is going to make you not happy anymore?

People are really terrible at assessing risk. It’s absolutely amazing that someone would decide to risk an infection that they will most likely get without a vaccine that kills at least 1% of those infected, over a vaccine that has almost zero chance of causing any harm.


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Re: Viral outbreak in China [Re: koods]
    #26665481 - 05/11/20 09:33 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Are people not pissed off tho?


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Re: Viral outbreak in China [Re: CHeifM4sterDiezL]
    #26665486 - 05/11/20 09:37 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Idk what that question means


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Re: Viral outbreak in China [Re: koods]
    #26665493 - 05/11/20 09:42 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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kills at least 1% of those infected, over a vaccine that has almost zero chance of causing any harm.




Prove it!

You can't!

And you know it, koods. Don't even pretend.


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Re: Viral outbreak in China [Re: koods] * 1
    #26665495 - 05/11/20 09:44 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

I have no issue with vaccines, but the fact that it'll be so rushed is reasonable to worry about, since there won't be much longitudinal safety data on it. The risk will likely be extremely low though as there's still a lot they can do to ensure it's safe.

I'd guess it won't be much of an option for most people if it comes out reasonably soon. Schools, nursing homes and hospitals would almost certainly mandate it. Many employers as well since an outbreak could hurt them pretty badly. Possibly an option to be cleared from taking it if you have antibodies, like with varicella.


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Re: Viral outbreak in China [Re: HamHead] * 2
    #26665512 - 05/11/20 09:59 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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What are you afraid of, a flu?



I'm not afraid of anything young man, but my conscious will certainly not allow me to brazenly act in a way which may cause harm to others.


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Re: Viral outbreak in China [Re: feevers]
    #26665530 - 05/11/20 10:09 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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I have no issue with vaccines, but the fact that it'll be so rushed is reasonable to worry about, since there won't be much longitudinal safety data on it. The risk will likely be extremely low though as there's still a lot they can do to ensure it's safe.

I'd guess it won't be much of an option for most people if it comes out reasonably soon. Schools, nursing homes and hospitals would almost certainly mandate it. Many employers as well since an outbreak could hurt them pretty badly. Possibly an option to be cleared from taking it if you have antibodies, like with varicella.




I’m actually concerned it will be rushed as well and I totally hate anti-vaxxers

But I also think it’s important not to skip any steps


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You constantly make posts thatr fling middle school insults at people you don't like mixed in with maladjusted psychopathic comments about wanting to beat up the other poster with a crowbar.

You know how shit you are, you just don't give a fuck for precisely that reason.

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Re: Viral outbreak in China [Re: TheFakeSunRa] * 1
    #26665645 - 05/11/20 11:57 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

A law passed last month in Australia making it illegal to enter any aged care facilities without a flu shot. Even though we only work in the gardens all my employees had to get one and no one complained. Although It's a pain in the ass, 'don't kill my grandma' seems like a reasonable request. I imagine it will be the same eventually for Covid.


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Re: Viral outbreak in China [Re: Asante]
    #26665775 - 05/12/20 04:40 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)



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