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Re: Viral outbreak in China - Coronavirus 2020 Pandemic [Re: morrowasted] 1
#26663962 - 05/11/20 07:28 AM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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Apparently there is some youtube video that was going around where some "nurse" was claiming patients are being "murdered". I cant be bothered to watch shit like that anymore. Consensus among other covid19 nurses commenting on this is that she either A) is not even a nurse because she doesnt display badge and ive never heard of a nurse filming a whistleblowing video from work or B) is just a mentally unstable attention seeker. In either case nothing she is saying corroborates with their experience
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Re: Viral outbreak in China - Coronavirus 2020 Pandemic [Re: morrowasted] 1
#26663969 - 05/11/20 07:31 AM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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Ben Carson doesn’t believe in evolution.
Any profession is going to have fringe outliers.
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Re: Viral outbreak in China - Coronavirus 2020 Pandemic [Re: bodhisatta] 8
#26664208 - 05/11/20 10:30 AM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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bodhisatta said:The masks don't help.
You know what doesn't help? You. You're wrong in just about every post you make, I've noticed. Every time you post statistics to back up your claims they are bogus statistics that do the opposite. Now you're saying masks don't help. You're wrong. And you're endangering other people. How the heck are you a moderator???? I thought the Shroomery was supposed to be a site for correct information, not misleading misinformation. You're making this site look bad and stupid.
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Re: Viral outbreak in China - Coronavirus 2020 Pandemic [Re: lifeiswhatyoumake] 3
#26664212 - 05/11/20 10:34 AM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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He's just trying to be edgy. It's his MO round these parts.
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Re: Viral outbreak in China - Coronavirus 2020 Pandemic [Re: morrowasted]
#26664213 - 05/11/20 10:34 AM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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bodhisatta said: The way people wear their masks wouldn't protect them from sawdust. Let alone aerosols.
Go reread the last part of my post
If masks were ineffectice when used properly i would definitely have gotten covid19 already
Like i said we cant train a couple hundred million people overnight. Even the yuppie hipsters are doing it wrong here.
You and I know how to wear a mask. Big deal
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Re: Viral outbreak in China - Coronavirus 2020 Pandemic [Re: bodhisatta] 4
#26664222 - 05/11/20 10:38 AM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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It’s a big deal to me.
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Re: Viral outbreak in China - Coronavirus 2020 Pandemic [Re: TheFakeSunRa] 1
#26664223 - 05/11/20 10:40 AM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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Re: Viral outbreak in China - Coronavirus 2020 Pandemic [Re: morrowasted]
#26664388 - 05/11/20 12:12 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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the only reason id vote for biden is cause i think trump has better odds at beating the virus
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Re: Viral outbreak in China - Coronavirus 2020 Pandemic [Re: cannabinated] 1
#26664451 - 05/11/20 12:43 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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http://www.medgasres.com/preprintarticle.asp?id=282177
Some interesting results in hyperbaric oxygen chamber treatment.
Almost reminds me a tiny bit of the bends, which basically turns your blood into soda via nitrogen bubbles that then block blood vessels.
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Re: Viral outbreak in China - Coronavirus 2020 Pandemic [Re: pirate-blues] 2
#26664505 - 05/11/20 01:11 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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If you are sitting in a well ventilated space, with few people, the risk is low.
If I am outside, and I walk past someone, remember it is “dose and time” needed for infection. You would have to be in their airstream for 5+ minutes for a chance of infection. While joggers may be releasing more virus due to deep breathing, remember the exposure time is also less due to their speed.
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Choir: The church choir in Washington State. Even though people were aware of the virus and took steps to minimize transfer; e.g. they avoided the usual handshakes and hugs hello, people also brought their own music to avoid sharing, and socially distanced themselves during practice. A single asymptomatic carrier infected most of the people in attendance. The choir sang for 2 1/2 hours, inside an enclosed church which was roughly the size of a volleyball court. Over a period of 4 days, 45 of the 60 choir members developed symptoms, 2 died.
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Restaurants: Some really great shoe-leather epidemiology demonstrated clearly the effect of a single asymptomatic carrier in a restaurant environment (see below). The infected person (A1) sat at a table and had dinner with 9 friends. Dinner took about 1 to 1.5 hours. During this meal, the asymptomatic carrier released low-levels of virus into the air from their breathing. Airflow (from the restaurant's various airflow vents) was from right to left. Approximately 50% of the people at the infected person's table became sick over the next 7 days. 75% of the people on the adjacent downwind table became infected. And even 2 of the 7 people on the upwind table were infected (believed to happen by turbulent airflow). No one at tables E or F became infected, they were out of the main airflow from the air conditioner on the right to the exhaust fan on the left of the room. (Ref)
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We know most people get infected in their own home. A household member contracts the virus in the community and brings it into the house where sustained contact between household members leads to infection.
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Symptomatic people are not the only way the virus is shed. We know that at least 44% of all infections--and the majority of community-acquired transmissions--occur from people without any symptoms (asymptomatic or pre-symptomatic people). You can be shedding the virus into the environment for up to 5 days before symptoms begin.
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The main sources for infection are home, workplace, public transport, social gatherings, and restaurants. This accounts for 90% of all transmission events. In contrast, outbreaks spread from shopping appear to be responsible for a small percentage of traced infections.
Some good info:
https://www.erinbromage.com/post/the-risks-know-them-avoid-them
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Re: Viral outbreak in China - Coronavirus 2020 Pandemic [Re: pirate-blues]
#26664526 - 05/11/20 01:24 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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pirate-blues said: http://www.medgasres.com/preprintarticle.asp?id=282177
Some interesting results in hyperbaric oxygen chamber treatment.
Almost reminds me a tiny bit of the bends, which basically turns your blood into soda via nitrogen bubbles that then block blood vessels.
Comparing to the bends is an interesting thought
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Re: Viral outbreak in China - Coronavirus 2020 Pandemic [Re: TheFakeSunRa] 1
#26664564 - 05/11/20 01:43 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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Seems like it was a pretty small sample size(under 50) - and it's based on Chinese data, so I'm a little skeptical - but I would like to see more studies done on it, as it seems like the patient outcomes in the study are pretty remarkable.
I lack the science background to fully flesh out any real biological similarities between the two, but ever since there have been parallels drawn to altitude sickness, I've been wondering about any potential similarity to decompression sickness.
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Re: Viral outbreak in China - Coronavirus 2020 Pandemic [Re: pirate-blues] 1
#26664711 - 05/11/20 02:59 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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Re: Viral outbreak in China - Coronavirus 2020 Pandemic [Re: pirate-blues]
#26664738 - 05/11/20 03:08 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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pirate-blues said: Seems like it was a pretty small sample size(under 50) - and it's based on Chinese data, so I'm a little skeptical - but I would like to see more studies done on it, as it seems like the patient outcomes in the study are pretty remarkable.
I lack the science background to fully flesh out any real biological similarities between the two, but ever since there have been parallels drawn to altitude sickness, I've been wondering about any potential similarity to decompression sickness.
That’s fucking smart
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Re: Viral outbreak in China - Coronavirus 2020 Pandemic [Re: TheFakeSunRa] 3
#26664813 - 05/11/20 03:45 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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Mostly a reply to pirate-blues
There is a lot of overlap between the over signs and symptoms and various diseases.
An embolism is basically something floating through your blood that shouldn't be there that has the potential to get stuck or disrupt bloodflow somewhere in the vasculature. The common types are caused by air, blood clots, and fat (usually associated with broken long bones that havent been properly stabilized).
Decompression sickness isn't something you commonly see in a medical setting so I had to look it up but my opinion is that the similarity between the two is mostly superficial. My understanding is that it causes small air embolisms in the arterial vasculature.
You have various chemicals in your body responsible for creating and breaking apart blood clots. These chemicals are synthesized by the liver, and the way they behave is regulated by factors like the state of the tissue lining the blood vessels (endothelium) and the state of a hormone system called the renin-angiotension-aldosterone system (RAAS), which is controlled by the kidneys.
COVID19 causes blood clots in some people by altering the function of either the liver, the kidneys, the endothelium, or all three. The two key clotting players appear to be fibrinogen and tissue plasminogen activator. An elevated level of the former and reduced level of the latter are prognostic of clotting events. It appears to cause them throughout the vasculature. These lead to what is called tissue ischemia throughout the vital organs, which is a lack of oxygen delivery.
To make matters worse, COVID19 appears to reduce the oxygen-carrying capacity of blood by interfering with the ability of blood cells to incorporate iron into the blood cell.
Viral sepsis makes your liver and kidneys fail progressively by causing massive systemic vasodilation. When your blood vessels dilate, your blood pressure drops, and perfusion to your vital organs decreases. Your kidneys and liver go first, because your other vital organs are more important. This kidney/liver failure causes the dysregulation of the RAAS with the blood clotting factors.
The big big problem is we have a shitload of people walking around with kidney failure, uncontrolled diabetes/hypertension, and/or are on prophylactic anticoagulants for various diseases like atrial fibrillation or deep vein thrombosis. For those people very little can be done.
In the case of people on anticoagulant therapy it is often contraindicated because it puts them at risk of bleeding, especially intracranial bleeding.
People with kidney failure end up with severe respiratory distress additionally. As their kidneys fail, their blood becomes progressively acidic. Typically, the hypothalamus would attempt to compensate for inability of the kidneys to eliminate acids by increasing respiratory rate and depth to expel CO2, which is acidic, more rapidly (this is called Kussmaul breathing). Because COVID19 patients have pneumonia and a severe cough, kussmaul breathing is essentially impossible. The same is true of people with uncontrolled diabetes, although this is easier to acutely reverse/control in a medical center. hese patients almost always have to be intubated, but their prognosis is very poor.
High blood pressure places the individual at increased risk for heart attack, pulmonary embolism (in this case a clot stuck in the pulmonary arteries prevent blood from flowing into the lungs to be oxygenated), or a stroke.
The comparison was made with altitude sickness because with COVID19 patients without those conditions the CO2 level is frequently normal even when the O2 level is low, so they sometimes present without shortness of breath despite having pneumonia and low oxygen levels.
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Re: Viral outbreak in China - Coronavirus 2020 Pandemic [Re: bodhisatta]
#26664818 - 05/11/20 03:47 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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pirate-blues said: It was only a matter of time .
Especially given that a good chunk of them absolutely refuse to wear masks.
The masks don't help. They barely help you spreading it to others. But no one wears them correctly anyway and besides that they use their hands stupidly so it's really moot.
Whole foods yesterday. Everyone other person had the mask only over their mouth not their nose. Employees pulling theirs down to talk lol.
Your telling me when people have their hands full and need to cough that cough doesn't get stopped from spraying out far?
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Re: Viral outbreak in China - Coronavirus 2020 Pandemic [Re: Seriously_trippin]
#26664830 - 05/11/20 03:56 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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Re: Viral outbreak in China - Coronavirus 2020 Pandemic [Re: morrowasted] 2
#26664891 - 05/11/20 04:33 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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they are covering up a lot of nursing home deaths and skewing the death count
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Re: Viral outbreak in China - Coronavirus 2020 Pandemic [Re: morrowasted]
#26664897 - 05/11/20 04:35 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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Robert F Kennedy / Mercola talk 24 minutes. Another interesting point of view.
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Re: Viral outbreak in China - Coronavirus 2020 Pandemic [Re: ZenZone] 1
#26664939 - 05/11/20 04:40 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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You’d think a Kennedy that has managed to not die wouldn’t be such an idiot
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