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Re: Viral outbreak in China [Re: feevers]
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Wouldn't be surprised if there's a new one of these every week or so.
For once I'll put my conspiracy hat on, and say there's a rediculous amount of billionaires that want things open ASAP. It only makes sense that they'll be funding these types of stunts and hoaxer doctors left and right.
Any shroomery business owners on here and locked down? We could promote ourselves into a hella payday
Only one I know of is Patlal Gardens
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morrowasted said: Tantrika, I saw that one, and it's interesting. For better or for worse, there is already an inhaled prophylactic called PUL042 being used and it will probably prove to be effective. Which means that even if those terpenes are effective, for the moment they are a lap behind in the race to FDA approval. Actually more than a lap because PUL042 is already in human trials and this is a study using "artifical 3d tissue models" (I dont even think that counts as phase 0).
As far as anti-inflammatory properties go, I have my doubts that CBD will prove to have any kind of clinically significant efficacy for this disease. I'd like to be wrong because maybe we'd be on a faster track to federal medical weed.
Am actually not sure how the FDA will play in to it aside from when it reaches the US, being developed in Canada as part of the medical cannabis system, we may see a product that does not make it outside the country due to international regulations on cannabis + it not being an actual vaccine
just get a giggle from reports like this, sort of similiar to the feminizing hormone studies have made jokes in the past about being well-suited to this pandemic due to being a withdrawn hermit now people are so desperate for treatments that parts of my daily life (medical cannabis consumption; HRT for transitioning) are being examined as treatment options
certainly do not think such things in any way make me less inclined to contract the disease but there is a sort of poetic irony to me in potentially having additional degrees of personal "safety" in this outbreak while talking to my counsellor today was a lot of discussion about how early ease of coping has now become a lot more difficult because it has finally really set in for me that this is happening; am living in a disaster scenario and it is one of the few cases where my paranoia over germs and stuff is actually founded and able to be placed in reality rather than just imaginary reprecussions
arguably, if Estradiol is found to be an effective means of treatment it could very well manifest in my feared apocalypse scenario that I have been projecting myself into for over a year now of losing access to my hormones after starting treatment
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Re: Viral outbreak in China [Re: morrowasted] 1
#26658607 - 05/08/20 09:42 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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morrowasted said: If trump got it i believe they would absolutely try to cover it up for as long as possible
If Trump got it, and he ended up just having a reaction akin to a minor cold - that would be a disaster- his cult following would go ape shit “See, It’s a Hoax!” , and Trumps word would forever be absolute truth. His word would become bond.
That would turn into a literal catastrophe. He wouldn’t handle it with everyone’s best interests in mind, and shit would actually hit the fan. That’s my presumption. Hopefully there is some special 3 lettered agency that would keep him in check if that happened.
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Her employees wanted to open the salon up again as badly as she did I think.
Yeah, a lot of people do. I get it. I got a lot of friends from my old job who want to go back to work (EVEN THOUGH THEY ARE STILL GETTING PAID AT FULL TIME HOURS TO SIT AT HOME) simply to be able to get overtime hours so they can make enough money to afford drugs and booze again (the 1200 they got is alone more than enough for rent and groceries here even if they werent getting full time pay to not work), and that is more important to them. The fact that people are willing to go back to work doesn't make it a good idea. Doing peoples' hair necessitates being very close to them. These people may be willing to risk their own lives, but the nature of the virus is such that a given person could infect hundreds of clientele in a few weeks without ever knowing they themselves had it. Texas wanted to increase the availability of testing dramatically prior to opening up that type of businesses so that it could be done safely. They have a plan to do that, and salons are scheduled to reopen in 10 days.
In any case, it's totally disingenuous for 99% of people in this country to be claiming the reason they need to work right now is because they "can't put food on the table." Tell me where you live, and we can figure out together where your local churches and food banks and such are.
I support you 100%. I do want you to know that my landlord could evict me in a matter of days. I haven’t received my unemployment except for one week nor my stimulus check. I applied like six weeks ago and got 1 unemployment payment. In fact, there’s no regular steady foodbank here. There’s one regular free meal on Sundays. There’s no way to negotiate into getting on food stamps right now.
I’m still with you but I’m not making this up. This is what I’m experiencing. I have food and money only for food at this point. Nothing for anything else. Day after day nothing is reaching me. I don’t know why. Bad luck or what.
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The Blind Ass
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Huge portion of the population has little to no savings. Bills don’t stop just because Work did... $1,200 is practically nothing in 2020.
That amount would cover my apartment for a month, and but not with utilities. Since I can’t reneg on the lease, so And I’m in a fortuitous position, most are not.
That combo is a major contribution to why so many want things to “go back to normal”- despite many knowing shit would get worse if the reopening happened immediately and fully. They don’t end up bankrupt or evicted, or losing a business. essentially homeless and broke. Including those who are Single, or those with a family or significant others or dependents to care for.
That’s not some excuse, it’s true. Sure you can supplement with adjunctive measures - but really now, your foregoing much in thought if you Genuinely believe that’s going to be the answer. Good in theory, not so much in practice.
Whoever came up with a 1 time sum of $1,200 and thought that would cover the lock down period must have been from the 70s.
The U.S.’s allies could come up with legislature and measures that countered much of the aforementioned problem.
But not the U.S...
So, this is where much of the malcontent, lamentation, and distress comes from. Gov. Says virus is dangerous , essentially shuts down economy . Reducing the work force enormously. But then their solution...the shoe doesn’t fit. It’s like a size 11 man trying to work with size 7’s. Gov says it’s serious but don’t panic they have a solution, but their remedy for the time being sends another message. Lock down till the country and states are ready, wear a mask and hold tight.
The president and Vice President then go all elitist and don’t set an example, sending a schizo transmission to the country and world.
Those unable to discern beyond appearances for whatever reason, begin to connect dots in a deluded way. And the mess is exacerbated.
The elected persons who we (sort of) chose to represent us, largely turn a blind eye and deaf ear in the worst kind of ways.
Thus - Trust is lost. Faith is ruined. and the consequences of such things will reverberate across the country for an unforeseeable amount of time in ways known and unknown.
Mixed messages from the High Authorities is not good for public health, hell - it’s plain old not good. Especially in national emergency / pandemic.
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Democrats are pushing 2k a month in the senate right now but most of the GOP won't budge off the $0 mark. I'm sure both parties will agree on a nice fat sum for the corporations again though.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.forbes.com/sites/shaharziv/2020/05/05/sorry-republicans-are-not-about-to-give-you-a-second-stimulus-check/amp/
The quotes are pretty rough
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TheFakeSunRa
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Re: Viral outbreak in China [Re: feevers]
#26658650 - 05/08/20 10:10 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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feevers said: Democrats are pushing 2k a month in the senate right now but most of the GOP won't budge off the $0 mark. I'm sure both parties will agree on a nice fat sum for the corporations again though.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.forbes.com/sites/shaharziv/2020/05/05/sorry-republicans-are-not-about-to-give-you-a-second-stimulus-check/amp/
I don’t think we’re getting anything else.
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morrowasted
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being developed in Canada as part of the medical cannabis system, we may see a product that does not make it outside the country
missed that part lol, not used to drugs being developed in other countries
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morrowasted
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I support you 100%. I do want you to know that my landlord could evict me in a matter of days. I haven’t received my unemployment except for one week nor my stimulus check. I applied like six weeks ago and got 1 unemployment payment. In fact, there’s no regular steady foodbank here. There’s one regular free meal on Sundays. There’s no way to negotiate into getting on food stamps right now.
thank you. I am truly sorry to hear that. I was fortunate, I suppose, to have received my stimulus check immediately. I didn't do anything at all, it just showed up this was weeks ago though
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TheFakeSunRa
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Yeah. I’m getting pretty scared. There’s also the issue that receiving care if I got the virus would ruin me financially too.
Let me ask you. I got diagnosed with bronchitis five or six weeks ago and I’m still getting on again off again chest pains. Do you think I probably had it?
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If you have a life threatening illness you gotta go and you dont have to pay
Just say 'I cant'... It works.
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HamHead
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This doctor sounds smart. He says big words I can't remember.
Probably because it close to ninety minutes long.
-------------------- The Italian researchers’ findings, published by the INT’s scientific magazine Tumori Journal, show 11.6% of 959 healthy volunteers enrolled in a lung cancer screening trial between September 2019 and March 2020 had developed coronavirus antibodies well before February. https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-italy-timing-idUSKBN27V0KF This online first version has been peer-reviewed, accepted and edited, but not formatted and finalized with corrections from authors and proofreaders https://www.icandecide.org/
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morrowasted said: I am normally very level headed but this shit is personal for me. some of my quasi-friends (none of my close friends, notably) are out there throwing around WILD claims about what is going on, and implict in EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THOSE CLAIMS is the notion that I am personally either a) not trustworthy or B) so stupid that I am somehow getting duped into believing some magic trick where people look sick and then die but really it isn't happening
which yes, is -IRRITATING BEYOND BELIEF-.
edit: look, I get it, most of you dont know me. Hence me saying go find a REAL LIFE friend who works in a metropolitan ER/ICU and ask that person. Preferably someone you already trust.
Man I empathize with this very much. That would drive me pretty crazy. Feel for you brother.
I hope you've got a decent way of working the stress out man. I've been dropping and doing twenty (or more) pressups several times a day and the same with pullups. Tis good shiz.
A friend was texting to remind me at first but it's getting more and more ingrained.
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I used to do that anytime someone at work pissed me off. Better than punching a wall etc..
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Re: Viral outbreak in China [Re: Amanita86]
#26658975 - 05/09/20 01:36 AM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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I'm planning on doing it the rest of my life at this point. After a couple of weeks of it, I fucking love it.
Remembering to do it is the tricky bit...
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TheFakeSunRa said: Let me ask you. I got diagnosed with bronchitis five or six weeks ago and I’m still getting on again off again chest pains. Do you think I probably had it?
According to morrowasted, anyone who had a cough has COPD because that's a more logical explanation than coronavirus.  
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mushboy
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I'm going through some estate shit from my mothers death and my brother(handling estate) needed me to go to the bank.
I said I can't the 2 locations in philly are closed. He doesnt believe me and starts flipping out on me for making stuff up/turning my back on him.
Lolwut the banks are closed. He lives in the sticks and thinks corona is a hoax.
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vinsue
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#26659365 - 05/09/20 06:57 AM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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HamHead said:
This doctor sounds smart. He says big words I can't remember.
Probably because it close to ninety minutes long.
I'll save everyone from wasting 90 minutes listening to this Dr who "sounds smart". https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rashid_Buttar
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Rashid Ali Buttar is an American osteopathic physician, conspiracy theorist, and anti-vaccine proponent from Charlotte, North Carolina. He is known for his controversial use of chelation therapy for numerous conditions, including autism and cancer. He has twice been reprimanded by the North Carolina Board of Medical Examiners for unethical treatment of patients and cited by the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) for illegal marketing of unapproved and adulterated drugs... . ...Buttar claims to be board certified by several entities, all of which are listed as “questionable organizations” by Quackwatch including the American Academy of Preventative Medicine, American Academy of Integrative Medicine, and American College for Advancement in Medicine...
Sounds legit.
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concrete conclusions be damned
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HamHead
Hard Ass Motherfucker



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Re: Viral outbreak in China [Re: vinsue]
#26659410 - 05/09/20 07:39 AM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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vinsue said: Sounds legit.
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People should be aware of what goes into vaccines.
Read these words and report back how some of them make your nervous system feel. Might have to read them twice.
Here goes no thing.
https://www.publichealth.org/public-awareness/understanding-vaccines/goes-vaccine/
"WHAT GOES INTO A VACCINE? Aside from antigens, ingredient components of a vaccine include adjuvants, added to enhance the immune system response; antibiotics, to prevent contamination during the manufacturing process; and preservatives and stabilizers.
These additional ingredients are often a source of concern for wary parents and patients. Below is a list of common ingredients in many vaccines, along with information on their purpose and safety.
Thimerosal (ethylmercury) Why is it used? This mercury-containing ingredient has been used as a preservative in vaccines since the 1930s. Today, it is only found in vaccines for influenza. Preservatives are necessary for preventing dangerous bacterial or fungal contamination, but thimerosal has since become a major source of vaccine safety concerns. Health concerns? While mercury is a naturally-occurring element found in soil, water, and food, large amounts of it can be harmful, especially for children. Back in 1997, children were receiving three vaccines that together contained more mercury than the EPA recommended limit (though not more than the FDA limit). This led to speculation that thimerosal in vaccines could be linked to autism or other conditions.
Is it safe? Years of research have reduced concerns here. The type of mercury found in thimerosal, ethylmercury, differs from methylmercury, the type commonly found in fish and known to be harmful in large amounts. Ethylmercury is broken down and excreted from the body much more quickly than methylmercury, and no scientific study has found a link between ethylmercury and autism or any other harmful effects. Amount in vaccines? Nonetheless, several public health agencies and vaccine manufacturers agreed in 1999 to cease using thimerosal as a precautionary measure. Today, no vaccine contains Thimerosal except the influenza vaccine, and Thimerosal-free alternatives are available.
Formaldehyde Why is it used? Formaldehyde has been used for decades in vaccines to inactivate viruses and detoxify bacterial toxins, ensuring they don't result in sickness when injected. Health concerns? The U.S. EPA classifies formaldehyde as a carcinogen, as does the International Agency for Cancer Research and the National Toxicology Program. Additionally, several studies have since linked strong, long-term formaldehyde exposure to certain types of cancer. Is it safe? The potential for harm depends on the amount. Formaldehyde is always present in the human body as part of our natural metabolic process, but long-term exposure to high amounts can overwhelm our system and be harmful. Fortunately, the amount of formaldehyde found in vaccines is very small, most of it being diluted down to residual amounts during the manufacturing process. In fact, the FDA reports there is 50 to 70 times more formaldehyde present in an average newborn's body than in a single dose of vaccine. In brief, current science shows formaldehyde in vaccines to be harmless.
Amount in vaccines? The highest amount of formaldehyde present in any vaccine is .02 mg per dose. An average two-month-old baby would have around 1.1 mg of formaldehyde circulating in their body, with higher naturally-occurring amounts for older children. Aluminum Why is it used? Aluminum is used as an adjuvant in vaccines. That is, it makes them more effective by strengthening the immune system response. Thanks to adjuvants, people need fewer doses of vaccine to build immunity. Health concerns? Sometimes the mention of aluminum in vaccines makes parents uneasy; that's because there has been some evidence that long-term exposure to high amounts of aluminum can contribute to brain and bone disease. However, aluminum is naturally present in water, foods, even breast milk. Aluminum has only been shown to harm people if absorbed in very high amounts and when a person's kidneys aren't working properly. In contrast, the amount of aluminum in vaccines is negligible.
Is it safe? Aluminum is the third most common naturally-occurring element, after oxygen and silicon. It is found in plants, soil, air, and water. A breast-fed infant will naturally ingest around 7 milligrams of aluminum in her diet throughout the first six months of her life. In contrast, the standard vaccines administered over the first six months of an infant's life contain an average of just 4.4 milligrams of aluminum. Aluminum has been used safely for over six decades in vaccines, with no scientific evidence indicating otherwise. Amount in vaccines? The amount of aluminum in vaccines is tiny. In fact, babies always have a small naturally occurring amount of aluminum in their bloodstreams, about 5 nanograms. The quantity of aluminum in a vaccine is so small it doesn't cause any noticeable raise in this base amount found in the blood, even immediately after an injection.
Antibiotics Why are they used? During the production process of some vaccines, antibiotics may be used to counter the risk of dangerous bacterial infection. Health concerns? Concern occasionally arises about antibiotics in vaccines because of the risk of allergic reactions in some children. Is it safe? These fears are greatly exaggerated. Vaccine manufacturers only use antibiotics that are far less likely to provoke a reaction, and because antibiotics are only used during production, they are reduced to trace or undetectable amounts in the final product. In fact, no allergic reaction to a vaccine has ever been traced back to antibiotics. The overall odds a child will suffer from a severe allergic reaction from an MMR or Hepatitis B vaccine, from any ingredient, is 1 in 1,000,000, one hundred times less than the 1 in 10,000 chance a child will be struck by lightning.
Amount in vaccines? During the purification steps of the production process, antibiotics are removed, resulting in miniscule or undetectable amounts in the final vaccine. Gelatin Why is it used? Gelatin is used as a preservative and stabilizer, keeping vaccines effective under heat or cold and for the duration of their shelf life. Health concerns? For a very small number of children, gelatin can cause an allergic reaction. Is it safe? While gelatin is the single largest identifiable source of severe allergic reactions from vaccines, the incidence rate is still incredibly small. There is about one case of anaphylaxis caused by gelatin in vaccines for every two million injections. Amount in vaccines? The amount of gelatin varies by vaccine, with the MMR vaccine on the high end, containing 14.5 mg per dose, and the DTaP on the low end, with only 0.0015 mg. Children with a history of gelatin allergies can seek alternatives or exemptions.
Monosodium Glutamate (MSG) Why is it used? Like gelatin, MSG is used as a preservative and stabilizer in some vaccines, keeping them effective through heat, cold, and shelf life. Health concerns? MSG gained a bad reputation starting in the 1960s after anecdotal reports surfaced of nausea, headaches, flushing, or sweating due to food with MSG. As a result, concern has spread about its use in vaccines. However, these concerns are not supported by scientific research. Is it safe? While the scientific community acknowledges that a very small minority of people may suffer from short-term reactions to MSG, decades of research have not found the element to be harmful. As a result, the Food and Drug Administration, the World Health Organization, and the United Nations all declare MSG to be safe. It has been used for decades and continues to be used in foods as a flavor-enhancer.
Amount in vaccines? While some websites have trumped up MSG-based alarm, it is only present in two scheduled vaccines, adenovirus and influenza."
I dunno about you, but I don't particularly like whoever's idea it was to inject six month old babies with this stuff.
Vaccines work, though it is intriguing to read that only influenza vaccines have these chemicals. A fairly common vaccine that is recommended to be on an annual dose of.
So, go ahead and ignore people some more and keep pumping children with these chemicals.
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-------------------- The Italian researchers’ findings, published by the INT’s scientific magazine Tumori Journal, show 11.6% of 959 healthy volunteers enrolled in a lung cancer screening trial between September 2019 and March 2020 had developed coronavirus antibodies well before February. https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-italy-timing-idUSKBN27V0KF This online first version has been peer-reviewed, accepted and edited, but not formatted and finalized with corrections from authors and proofreaders https://www.icandecide.org/
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