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Re: Viral outbreak in China [Re: Tantrika]
    #26656056 - 05/07/20 09:08 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

No, I haven't seen that one, but isn't that a fairly common thing for people to anyway (mistake thirst for hunger)?


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Re: Viral outbreak in China [Re: morrowasted] * 1
    #26656061 - 05/07/20 09:10 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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No, I haven't seen that one, but isn't that a fairly common thing for people to anyway (mistake thirst for hunger)?




apparently so
part of the push to remind people to "stay hydrated" is because most people don't recognize thirst until dehydration is already starting to set in

I get extra reminders due to the HRT and down water all through the day
anecdotally, it helps stave off cravings for snacks


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Re: Viral outbreak in China [Re: Tantrika] * 3
    #26656073 - 05/07/20 09:18 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Yeah for sure, a lot of people suck at realizing they're thirsty, especially old people.


I'm skeptical of all this news about kids getting Kawasaki disease (or whatever newfangled name they're giving it for the moment). Prevalence is already 250 out of 100k for Kawasaki for any reason. It's pretty well established that some kids just seem to have genetic differences that make them have this systemic inflammation in response to infections. Another instance (like with the blood clotting) where the media is caching out a totally expected phenomenon as being "mysterious". I hate to say that in this, neither the government nor the media have done a commendable job. It's still about ratings for both Trump and for the media outlets, even if boosting those ratings means spinning a new COVID19 bogeyman story every chance you get or lying about the promise of some treatment. I'm not saying kids aren't getting Kawasaki after COVID19 infection, just that it's not surprising at all if they are.


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Re: Viral outbreak in China [Re: HamHead] * 2
    #26656092 - 05/07/20 09:30 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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And that's after the state has been shut down for 2 months now and extreme social distancing/infection prevention methods in place.

The main problem is still testing.




There is no problem with testing, as 98% of people have mild or no symptoms.





Usually I just skip over your COVID posts, every line shows your complete lack of any ability to comprehend data and science. This one is particularly painful.

And no, I'm not going to click whatever whackjob youtube conspiracy video you reply with.


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True, but Its like a force of nature that cant be held back.  That’s my impression, but i may be wrong.

NC is set to open tomorrow morning unless something has changed since the governor’s last announcement. 




It can certainly be held back, and that's exactly what's happening, through slowing its spread. Holding something back isn't the same as getting rid of it. Holding it back means taking the time to gather data on what it actually is (pretty damn important with a brand new virus), stock up supplies and prep the medical system, make sure the cases come in gradually and not all at once, and plan the course of action that makes the most sense according to the data. Maybe if you get lucky you come up with more effective treatment protocols in that time.

Slow the initial hit, gradually reopen with provisions to protect the vulnerable and testing/contact tracing in place to decrease the r0. I'm not spouting some radical ideas, I'm parroting common sense things that many of us in this thread have been saying since the beginning and every single public health expert is in agreement over.




It's a two and a half hour video anyway, you may not have enough of an attention span to keep up.

So, by 'holding it back', it has now been drawn out and will flare up once lockdowns begin to ease, no matter what public safety measures are carried out. If, perhaps, other measures, **cough** Sweden ***cough cough***, were taken, US might be closer to herd immunity than we are.

Viruses spread, it's what they do and we can not stop them. In fact, with vaccines, we encourage them to spread.

Call people conspiracy theorists all you want, information is spreading and many of these people will be vindicated.

Numbers and data have been collected now for at least six weeks, with enough testing to take a random guess, or estimate, that a much higher percentage of people have fallen ill, with whatever virus we are dealing with this year, and death rates are showing, even after some fudging, to be comparable to seasonal flu.

That two hour video has a good ending, speaking to a doctor from Hawaii speaking about life and death, love and experience.

Check it out, some good info.



Any amount of data is enough to take a random guess but we have far from enough data to make a meaningful estimate. Keep in mind if you're going compare numbers to the flu, the flu deaths numbers you typically hear are estimates. The actual confirmed flu deaths are much lower. Something like 7,000 for the 2018-2019 season so maybe compare that to the 75,000 confirmed COVID deaths in past couple months. You may not have noticed but we usually don't have to dig mass graves every flu season or run out of coffins to bury people in.


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Re: Viral outbreak in China [Re: morrowasted]
    #26656104 - 05/07/20 09:33 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Still think it’s news worthy because maybe people will take more care if they know kids are dying and not just grannies.


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Re: Viral outbreak in China [Re: TheFakeSunRa]
    #26656129 - 05/07/20 09:41 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Kawasaki is almost never fatal if treated. IV immunoglobulin to treat. It can cause some children to develop permanent heart disease.

Last I checked none of the children who developed this "new disease" had died from it. :shrug:

I'm not saying people shouldn't be concerned it just annoys me the way the media spins this stuff. First of all the way they use soundbytes and quotes is frequently bullshit and usually ends up making the doctors sound more confused or frightened about the situation than they actually are. Secondly they will try to pick and choose people to interview that they believe will say things that will boost ratings. That is their important consideration, not interviewing someone who will just present the facts as objectively as possible. This is part of the reason you have a bunch of people calling it the "Fake News media": all about ratings.


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Re: Viral outbreak in China [Re: morrowasted] * 1
    #26656130 - 05/07/20 09:41 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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Yeah for sure, a lot of people suck at realizing they're thirsty, especially old people.
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Yeah, just think it gives a real prime example of people not being aware of/not recognizing distress signals from the body
on a daily basis


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Re: Viral outbreak in China [Re: Tantrika] * 1
    #26656148 - 05/07/20 09:48 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Well in older people the hypothalamus actually starts to malfunction. It's responsible for picking up on all sorts of chemical signals to initiate homeostatic cascades. Picks up on CO2, o2, level of toxins from bacteria, level of inflammatory mediators, etc. Also picks up on thirst somehow. All of these things work less well when you get older. This is why really old people can have a temp of 99 degrees and we'll consider it to be a fever- any minor elevation is a signal that something is amiss. If they were young, their hypothalamus would have turned up the heat a lot more, but now it can't do it anymore. So with thirst the only thing to really be done is remind them to drink water frequently.

There's definitely a lot of folks out there oblivious to their bodies. I think losing weight really made me more in tune with changes in my body. When I was out of shape I sort of thought it was normal to get out of breath as easily as I did. So I can understand how for chronic conditions people are able to ignore the symptoms, but for something acute it's stranger.


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Re: Viral outbreak in China [Re: morrowasted] * 4
    #26656168 - 05/07/20 09:59 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Isn't it funny how anybody that knows anybody that's on the front lines says 'yeah it's terrible out there', whilst all those that rely on the online shit for their info say 'nah man, it's bullshit, people are being laid off in hospitals'?

It's amazing how little people know people, and the overriding value of connection to people these days.

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Re: Viral outbreak in China [Re: Jokeshopbeard] * 3
    #26656189 - 05/07/20 10:10 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

The side effect of Internet usage: Disconnection from Reality (i see you Thanatos!).

Its unreal to see people crowding at Home Depot and Lowes in my town. Its like they think they virus is totally gone since the economy was "reopened". The fools! :crankey2:


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Re: Viral outbreak in China [Re: Jokeshopbeard] * 3
    #26656191 - 05/07/20 10:11 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Being in a bubble separate from medical care has been a major predictor of a location's outcome. When you have 14% of the population working for the medical center, virtually everyone is close to someone who works in medicine, so public outcry here has been relatively minimal, and reaction got started relatively soon.


On the other hand you have places where most people don't personally know someone that works in medicine, and it's easy to take an "Us vs. Them" mentality in that situation.

It's truly mindblowing to me that anyone could seriously believe that every single medical worker is somehow complicit, whether intentionally or through ignorance, with some new world order scheme. The logistics alone are mind-boggling.


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Re: Viral outbreak in China [Re: morrowasted]
    #26656203 - 05/07/20 10:15 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Still though, what about people that need money to feed their kids etc?  Lets say, your govt check ran out, aaaand you’re screwed.  What do you do?  Go to work and get arrested like that salon chick in Texas?  People are going to Walmart anyways :shrug:

How about if you want to social distance fine and if you need to make money do it.:shrug:


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Re: Viral outbreak in China [Re: Amanita86] * 4
    #26656209 - 05/07/20 10:19 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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Still though, what about people that need money to feed their kids etc? 



I get it, but rather than blame the common man for not having enough compassion in that shit, why not rise up and fucking riot the shit out of this thing because the richest people in the word just made like an extra $86 biliion out of this thing.

It's hard, but this misdirected anger at our fellows ain't doing no favours.


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Re: Viral outbreak in China [Re: Amanita86] * 1
    #26656223 - 05/07/20 10:24 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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Still though, what about people that need money to feed their kids etc?  Lets say, your govt check ran out, aaaand you’re screwed.  What do you do?  Go to work and get arrested like that salon chick in Texas?  People are going to Walmart anyways :shrug:

How about if you want to social distance fine and if you need to make money do it.:shrug:



:shrug:I'm not one of these "We need to be fucking locked down airtight forever" people. I think the Texas plan we have right now is fine. They reopened a lot of business at 25% capacity a week ago. Salons and gyms will reopen next week.

People got enough money to feed their kids. My student loan payments were deferred, I can't be evicted for failing to pay rent, my electricity company isn't shutting off power for failure to pay bills. AFAIK these are pretty standard things nationwide. I feel like a family of 4 can feed itself and get by for 2500 dollars or whatever they were getting (I dont remember the amount for couples) for 8-10 weeks, and if they can't, now's a good time to learn how to, because it can easily be done.


Yeah the economy is an important consideration but people who are acting like everyone would have just gone about their business if we hadn't done a shutdown are fooling themselves. The rate of transmission and death would have been even higher than it was, and a lot of people would simply have opted to stay home regardless of government orders. There would have been massive worker strikes. Therefore it doesn't really matter whether those other folks get to keep their jobs at Best Buy- if only 25% as many people are shopping there, why would they need to keep everyone employed?


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Re: Viral outbreak in China [Re: morrowasted] * 1
    #26656272 - 05/07/20 10:41 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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Being in a bubble separate from medical care has been a major predictor of a location's outcome. When you have 14% of the population working for the medical center, virtually everyone is close to someone who works in medicine, so public outcry here has been relatively minimal, and reaction got started relatively soon.


On the other hand you have places where most people don't personally know someone that works in medicine, and it's easy to take an "Us vs. Them" mentality in that situation.

It's truly mindblowing to me that anyone could seriously believe that every single medical worker is somehow complicit, whether intentionally or through ignorance, with some new world order scheme. The logistics alone are mind-boggling.



What's even more mindblowing is apparently Bill Gates is some sort of mastermind behind this scheme. :lol:
I guess the idea that a rich man would want to use his money to help people is just too hard to believe in this day and age.


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Re: Viral outbreak in China [Re: morrowasted]
    #26656281 - 05/07/20 10:50 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

There’s people who haven’t gotten their check yet.  I know of a couple people personally who were let go, not temp suspension of their job and burning through their savings.  I’d like to see the people who are going broke be accounted for like the people who get logged at the hospital just see the comparison.  You don’t ever see them though because they’re fucked on their own.  Just sitting around on our thumbs is going to lead to bad things.

I don’t know the happy answer but there’s people out there that need to start making moves now.


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Re: Viral outbreak in China - Coronavirus 2020 World Pandemic [Re: Kizzle]
    #26656302 - 05/07/20 11:15 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

The theory is that Bill Gates talks a lot about "overpopulation" and that theres too many people and Bill Gates is very knowledgable about viruses and pandemics, so thus hes behind it. Also theres some Jewish/English Gematria that points to Event 201 being at the center of the controversy, which the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation was a host to.

I dont believe Gates was behind the Coronavirus Pandemic completely but i do believe he was involved somehow.


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Re: Viral outbreak in China [Re: morrowasted] * 1
    #26656328 - 05/07/20 11:41 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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Still though, what about people that need money to feed their kids etc?  Lets say, your govt check ran out, aaaand you’re screwed.  What do you do?  Go to work and get arrested like that salon chick in Texas?  People are going to Walmart anyways :shrug:

How about if you want to social distance fine and if you need to make money do it.:shrug:



:shrug:I'm not one of these "We need to be fucking locked down airtight forever" people. I think the Texas plan we have right now is fine. They reopened a lot of business at 25% capacity a week ago. Salons and gyms will reopen next week.

People got enough money to feed their kids. My student loan payments were deferred, I can't be evicted for failing to pay rent, my electricity company isn't shutting off power for failure to pay bills. AFAIK these are pretty standard things nationwide. I feel like a family of 4 can feed itself and get by for 2500 dollars or whatever they were getting (I dont remember the amount for couples) for 8-10 weeks, and if they can't, now's a good time to learn how to, because it can easily be done.







I dunno how expensive stuff is in the USA (I remember it all being significantly cheaper when I was a child and visitnig there) but god damn $1200 from the government aint enough for these people to feed their kids.

In most other countries people are getting 75% of their normal wages until this shit is over. In Canada its $500 a week.

Man that is kinda ignorant

I don't disagree with some of what you said but, there is no fuckin way the people who can't claim unemployment and ended up with a measly $1200 check have enough to feed their kids. Maybe couples got $2500. I guarantee that still aint enough for most average families to last 8 weeks unless they already have savings in the bank.

:shrug:

People have a lot of bills. Cell phone, mortgage, home insurance, property taxes, groceries, tv bill, internet bill.

And as i understand it ... deferred rent is bogus. How will those people pay 2, 3 months of rent all at once when the time comes? They wont have any fucking money left over??


I have 1 kid and we spend easily $800 on groceries in CAD a month. Even if we tried to stretch everything and buy the cheapest foods possible and eat less, it would still cost about $400 or something...so there is $800 bucks for 8 weeks for a 3 person family unit.
Add onto that I have a mortgage and all kinds of other shit...like $4000 in property taxes per year. Now this shit is gonna vary for everyone but to think that the measly amount they gave people is enough, you can't possibly believe what you're saying.

Do you have a kid? Any dependents whatsoever? A mortgage? It's pretty easy to say shit can "easily be done" when you have no idea how much life actually costs.

It is clear and obvious that the amount of emergency relief distributed in USA is not enough. Every other first nation country in the world has repeat payments, until this shit is over...


I don't mean to come across as brash but I feel like there is a lot of ignorance regarding this subject

I also feel really badly for the american people. Those foodbanks wouldn't have lineups miles long if families were getting enough money from your government. A lady wouldn't have just refused to close a fuckin salon so she could feed her kids and risk going to jail, because she has enough to get by...


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Re: Viral outbreak in China [Re: Amanita86]
    #26656334 - 05/07/20 11:45 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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There’s people who haven’t gotten their check yet.  I know of a couple people personally who were let go, not temp suspension of their job and burning through their savings.  I’d like to see the people who are going broke be accounted for like the people who get logged at the hospital just see the comparison.  You don’t ever see them though because they’re fucked on their own.  Just sitting around on our thumbs is going to lead to bad things.

I don’t know the happy answer but there’s people out there that need to start making moves now.




I’ve only gotten one unemployment payment for like six weeks and no stimulus payment

I'm now two months behind on rent.

Everyday I check the mail and fret.

I’m also terrified of the virus because I’m fat and old and asthmatic and had pneumonia twice before


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Re: Viral outbreak in China [Re: TheFakeSunRa] * 1
    #26656353 - 05/08/20 12:01 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Well i am certainly sorry to hear you guys are struggling. We all arr in different ways. It is nice to have a job but goddamn if it isnt inconvenient right now. Wearing ppe all day long is extremely uncomfortable. Sweat and itches on your face you cant wipe off or scratch. Cant go to the bathroom, eat, or drink water without doing a whole 10 minute routine. I know i sound like im bitching about relatively minor things, but everyone  wants it to be over but for us it isnt over just because things reopen, its just gonna continue to be a pain in the ass for as long as people keep getting sick


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