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Re: Viral outbreak in China [Re: HamHead]
#26643633 - 05/02/20 12:46 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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InfiniteDreams said: I thought it was well known that high density areas of population have larger issues with disease
Well now you know better. NYC residents live six years longer than people in West Virginia.
Comparing a city to a state, huh?
New York State residents live 6.1 years longer
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Re: Viral outbreak in China [Re: koods]
#26643696 - 05/02/20 01:10 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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New york State or NYC?
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Re: Viral outbreak in China [Re: HamHead]
#26643934 - 05/02/20 02:58 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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I've been to Manhattan. Trash everywhere. Lunatics roaming the streets. Extremely beautiful women too.
I've been to West Virginia. Mostly just beautiful land with red neck trailer homes.
NYC has state of the art medical facilities and you are comparing it to a poverty ridden area that likely has easier access to meth and heroine than medical care.
If you honestly believe that cities (in general, not NYC specifically) are not hotbeds of pathogenic disease (illness spread by bacteria and viruses) then you are in a minority of medical and historical opinion.
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Cities in general have higher life expectancies than rural areas. So no, they are not hotbeds of disease. They are the opposite.
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Re: Viral outbreak in China [Re: koods]
#26643992 - 05/02/20 03:15 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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As I said, then you hold a minority opinion.
You keep generalizing the discussion to "disease" while I am being specific to disease cause by bacteria and virus transmission.
I can supply endless links and resources, but I don't think you are after the truth. So I'll just quote this:
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Once an infection has arrived in a city, proximity enables its spread. The city is a playground for parasites. "There are a lot more exciting human beings they can jump on to," says Barnett, "lots more opportunities for vectoring and transmission. It's all about movement. Parasites love movement. So in that sense the city is an absolutely fantastic place for them."
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supply endless links and resources or don't threaten to do so, because that is feeble.
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Re: Viral outbreak in China [Re: falcon] 3
#26644026 - 05/02/20 03:30 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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ban ID and koods
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Re: Viral outbreak in China [Re: koods]
#26644049 - 05/02/20 03:43 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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we took the antibiotic for 3 days and forgot
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So my 30 year old cousin (same one I've mentioned here before) was discharged from the hospital exactly a month ago, she never needed a vent/ICU but was treated for 6 nights on the COVID ward. She went back to the hospital today, still having awful breathing problems, causing difficulty with even just walking/standing. Blood oxygen at only 91, now 5-6 weeks out from her first symptoms.
The hospital basically just said those are the after-effects, and they have no information on how long it takes to heal. I'm not sure if they tested her again or not.
She's a whole lot better than she was and they're not worried about a full relapse or anything, but it's crazy how hard she got hit. No past health problems. She likely caught it from or infected her sister and brother in law, and they both got wiped out but only for 2 weeks.
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Re: Viral outbreak in China [Re: falcon]
#26644069 - 05/02/20 03:54 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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falcon said: supply endless links and resources or don't threaten to do so, because that is feeble.
So I shouldn't say endless because I can only ever provide a finite number of links. I cannot believe this is news or debatable as it is so easy to verify. But in this climate of misinformation I can understand not valuing a claim wiht no backing.
Here's 3 links if you care to review them. The first is from WHO, and jump to the conclusion if you don't feel like reading the whole thing:
https://www.who.int/ihr/lyon/FRWHO_HSE_IHR_LYON_2009.5.pdf
https://www.theguardian.com/cities/2014/feb/24/sick-cities-urban-life-illness-fears
https://ensia.com/features/as-cities-grow-diseases-spread-faster-and-urban-design-key/
cannabinated, really?
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All these links provide no evidence that you are more likely to contract an illness in a city.
The first is a paper by WHO on how to respond should there be an outbreak of illness in a city.
The second is a Gaurdian article describing why someone might think they might become ill in a large city.
The third is why one would think that cities could spread disease rapidly and how to deal with it.
None of your links supplies evidence, they just suppose why cities could be hot beds of infection.
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Re: Viral outbreak in China [Re: falcon]
#26644184 - 05/02/20 04:54 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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I highly doubt you actually read any of those articles. IF you did your understanding is severely lacking. Whether your education is in history or medicine it is quite straightforward to realize the connection between the density of human population in cities and the spread of pathogens.
And your summary is misleading.
From the first you would actually have to read and understand the article. As I pointed you to the conclusion assuming you would just read the title, here is a key statement:
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That common feature makes cities particularly vulnerable to outbreaks of infectious disease
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Given their particular vulnerabilities, cities would be well advised to prepare for the worst through good hygiene control, infection control, and urban infrastructure and design.
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But the concentration of people can also mean a greater risk of exposure to pathogens and a higher likelihood that infectious diseases will spread.
Each article I linked discusses the particular aspects of a city that causes a greater threat from pathogens.
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Re: Viral outbreak in China [Re: HamHead]
#26644188 - 05/02/20 04:58 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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Lots of info, nice two hour video.
Finally a Non fanatical report! Thanks.
Something fishy is going on. I’m really starting to enjoy the clean air and less people. I’d be fine if everyone stayed home. I’m sure not gonna risk the infection. Be sure to stock up on rubbing alcohol and more masks. This thing isn’t going away. It’s bad real bad. People will get sick and die.
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InfiniteDreams said: I highly doubt you actually read any of those articles. IF you did your understanding is severely lacking. Whether your education is in history or medicine it is quite straightforward to realize the connection between the density of human population in cities and the spread of pathogens.
And your summary is misleading.
From the first you would actually have to read and understand the article. As I pointed you to the conclusion assuming you would just read the title, here is a key statement:
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That common feature makes cities particularly vulnerable to outbreaks of infectious disease
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Given their particular vulnerabilities, cities would be well advised to prepare for the worst through good hygiene control, infection control, and urban infrastructure and design.
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But the concentration of people can also mean a greater risk of exposure to pathogens and a higher likelihood that infectious diseases will spread.
Each article I linked discusses the particular aspects of a city that causes a greater threat from pathogens.
Yet people in cities live longer
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Re: Viral outbreak in China [Re: koods]
#26644210 - 05/02/20 05:13 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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koods said: Yet people in cities live longer
Again, what is your point? That's an arbitrary metric. So in NYC they hook people up to life support and keep them "alive" for another year, where in West Virginia they pass away?
Case in point, why is NYC shitting their pants over a novel coronavirus while all throughout the planet Earth most people are unaffected? But who is affected? Oh yeah, those living in large cities.
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Lol life span is an arbitrary metric
As my grandmother would say “well aren’t you special?”
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koods said: Yet people in cities live longer
Again, what is your point? That's an arbitrary metric. So in NYC they hook people up to life support and keep them "alive" for another year, where in West Virginia they pass away?
Case in point, why is NYC shitting their pants over a novel coronavirus while all throughout the planet Earth most people are unaffected? But who is affected? Oh yeah, those living in large cities.
Pretty sure most of the world is shut the fuck down
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InfiniteDreams said: Not to mention that disease and death are not synonyms.
Yeah ordinarily the communicable diseases making the rounds are not that deadly. The susceptibility of population centers to rapid spread of communicable diseases does not imply a higher death rate overall when there isn't a deadly pandemic going on, because other causes of death like cancer and heart disease predominate.
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