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Re: Viral outbreak in China - Coronavirus 2020 [Re: TheStallionMang]
    #26627795 - 04/25/20 05:53 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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A nation’s greatness is measured by how it treats its weakest members - Mahatma Ghandi

This talk of letting idiots die, or wash over us as a country to sacrifice the weak and old is very telling about who we are




Do you realize that the fuckers who are drinking bleach are the ones who are advocating for old people to die?

Maybe it was a good move for trump to talk about it.


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Re: Viral outbreak in China - Coronavirus 2020 [Re: TheStallionMang]
    #26627800 - 04/25/20 05:55 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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I'm not so sure that a drug forum where we talk about putting things in our bodies that other people would consider dangerous is the best place to be so judgemental about other people's mental states

We just lost BigWorm a few days ago and from what I've seen it was due to something he CHOSE to put in his body AND is considered dangerous by many people even on here.

I'm not judging the man but do any of you want to apply that same reasoning to him? 

Bod, let's take your statement and tailor it to Bigworm:
"Society doesn't need people that would consider eating fentanyl with another drug"

Is that really something you can get behind?



Yes. Especially as someone who uses drugs

I don't want you or expect you to give a shit about my choices or mortality. Sadness is fine. But that doesn't mean i shouldn't get what's coming if I chose to skate that line


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Re: Viral outbreak in China - Coronavirus 2020 [Re: bodhisatta] * 2
    #26627808 - 04/25/20 05:58 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

What if big worm didnt know what he was taking, which is the case in this country.

Bad info is what kills people.


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Re: Viral outbreak in China - Coronavirus 2020 [Re: cannabinated]
    #26627809 - 04/25/20 06:00 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Bad info is dangerous. Maybe the pills he took were mislabelled as true. RIP Big Worm.


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Re: Viral outbreak in China - Coronavirus 2020 [Re: cannabinated] * 3
    #26627816 - 04/25/20 06:04 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Horrible either way, but it’s so common place in modern world to pass like he did.  Knowing or unknowing aside.

Anyways,

Btw gang,  I just saw a commercial on tv warning of the dangers of eating household cleaning products.

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Re: Viral outbreak in China - Coronavirus 2020 [Re: The Blind Ass]
    #26627820 - 04/25/20 06:06 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Whoa! Whlas the commercial sponsored by the CDC?


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Re: Viral outbreak in China - Coronavirus 2020 [Re: BANANA.MAN]
    #26627830 - 04/25/20 06:10 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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But Tantrika i wasnt trying to have a conversation about Trudeau. so i had no interest in "bringing that back on topic." As you can see i gave up on defending the Trudeau stuff many, many posts back because i dont care about it.
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Me neither, tried to engage you on the topic of Covid in Canada,  the nation we both live in
you weren't interested, you spent post after post talking about Trudeau instead

you can say you weren't trying to have a conversation about Trudeau, and it would be true because on my side the conversation wasn't about him
but you were very much on a diatribe about him that I tried to bring you off of with Covid related news in our country

as a reminder (or perhaps a first alert, because you may not have cared enough to read the information)
First Nations were shown during the H1N1 outbreak to end up on ventilation at a rate of 6 times the rest of the population -- at the time, they were sent body bags to sort the issue out
Now, Canada is not even bothering to record racial data for this outbreak, despite evidence showing that it pertains to important distinctions of vulnerability
so the data will never show if First Nations needed more help this time around
and they have been being undersupplied with PPE as a result

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lol there you go again making me walk on linguistic egg shells. cut people some slack instead of nit picking. fine you didnt "demand" but you implied i havent come up with enough examples for you as if you wanted me to keep going through examples when i dont care.
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So you can't provide examples of me doing what you claimed I did
as the objective reality is not as it appears in your mind

alright

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Tantrika its fine for you to bring up racial issues that dont relate to our conversation. but im not obligated to address them and im not anracist or someone who doesnt care about racism because i dont want to have your Trudeau discussion.
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I brought up a matter of treatment of Covid in the Covid thread
and you spun the conversation back to how your feelings dictate Trudeau's success
the reason for bringing up racial issues that related to Covid, was you showed interest in racial issues (black face and brown face) when it was convenient

Now you are saying your avoidance of discussing the Canadian approach to covid and how that impacts minorities in our country
is you not wanting to talk about Trudeau

but you claim me to be the dishonest one, based on how you wrongly perceive things

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you said i was trying to call Trudeau a hyopcrite. I never did and that was nevee the point. thats dishonesty. when i suggested that you doubled down and said i love calling him a hypocrite.
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Third time you have made this claim, third time you have not provided a quotation of my doing so
does this text actually exist in the frequency that you claim?


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Lol it wasnt salt it was amusement that you made this such an issue. I was saying "you win" bevause you were being silly and I was demonstrating that.
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Nah, after being told that you were factually wrong you attempted to call me salty

you made it into a matter of personalism because you didn't want to admit to your error

and even now, you are afraid to admit that because you know you were the individual in the wrong who pulled this into a long and drawn out personal discussion

when it could have just ended at my correcting your original statement into something more accurate

you've been saying "you win" because to you this has been some sort of competition

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Since my zombie comment i have acctually tlgiven sources talking about the prevelance of asypmtomatic carriers and commented on koods' post about covid and smoking, ive said plenty on topic and it doesnt matter if its not enough for you.




Already apologized if missing your infrequent content, but it doesn't matter if that is not enough for you
we both get banned, the mods end up weighing out content vs shitposts

If and when you are ready to talk about the Canadian First Nations communities and how they are being endangered in the current Covid epidemic as I tried to previously engage with you
will gladly discuss the point with you further

please don't try and make this into further bullshit about how you interpret my posts as being pro-Trudeau
have much bigger concerns going on with the prarie provinces scheduled to open back up while outbreaks are happening on reservations


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Re: Viral outbreak in China - Coronavirus 2020 [Re: Baby_Hitler] * 3
    #26627835 - 04/25/20 06:12 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)


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Lmaooooooooooo we have to do a primer on how to handle bleach poisoning





You do, as in at your job in the hospital?


yes :rofl: it didnt really say much helpful. Apparently bleach isnt actually that dangerous ingested orally you just give them a bunch of water and monitor airway because it can cause swelling of the esophagus. They didnt mention anything about people trying to inject but god bless their souls just let them win a darwin award if they want to that badly


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Re: Viral outbreak in China - Coronavirus 2020 [Re: Tantrika]
    #26627838 - 04/25/20 06:13 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

While Sweden hopes it is reaching Herd Immunity,
Canada's government is questioning if that is good enough to reopen with

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Canada's top doctor says there isn't enough evidence to back herd immunity as a way to reopen society, as Quebec's premier is considering the approach to restart his province's economy.

"The idea of ... generating natural immunity is actually not something that should be undertaken," Canada's Chief Public Health Officer Theresa Tam said Saturday, urging people to be "extremely cautious" about the concept.

Herd immunity is conferred when enough people in a given population have been infected with a virus, marking them immune to reinfection and slowing down the rate at which the virus spreads on its own.

The World Health Organization (WHO) published a brief Friday stating that there is "currently no evidence" that people who have recovered from COVID-19 and have antibodies would be protected from a second infection, but clarified Saturday that most people infected would end up with "some level of protection."

Tam's comments come as Quebec Premier François Legault expressed interest in herd immunity this week as a means to reopen businesses and allow children to return to school.

"The idea is to gradually — and that's the important word — to gradually let people go out, let children go out," he said Thursday, adding that those under 60 years of age might be candidates for developing immunity.

Tam rejected the suggestion that in the absence of a vaccine, some members Canada's population could offer protection to society's most vulnerable.

"Even a young person might get severely sick or get into the ICU, so it's not a concept that should be supported," she said.

In response to Tam's remarks, Premier Legault's office said the province plans to forge ahead with easing lockdown restrictions, but only with the approval of Quebec's public health department.



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'More caution'

Legault is not alone in searching for solutions to reopen his province's economy, as nationwide shutdowns pass the one-month mark.

On Friday afternoon, Prime Minister Justin Trudeau and Canada's premiers agreed to work on a joint set of national guidelines that would lay out how to carry out the process.

The prime minister said Saturday that those plans do not rely on using immunity as an interim form of protection.

"In the approach that we're taking very carefully around the provinces and across the country on looking at reopening, I don't believe that there are any plans that hinge on certain people or individuals being immune or having immunity to COVID-19," Trudeau said.

The federal government has committed millions of dollars toward a new COVID-19 immunity task force focused on researching immunity testing and developing a vaccine — something Tam said is still in its early stages. 

"Until we have those answers, we need to... err on the side of more caution," Trudeau said.



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'Immunology' of the virus not known

Allowing people with protected immunity status back into society has captured international attention, with countries like Chile moving to issue "immunity passports" to those who have recovered from the virus.

The passes have been touted as a way to gradually exempt people from restrictions put in place to limit the spread of COVID-19, permitting them to return to work, attend mass gatherings or even travel across borders.

But Tam warned that research on whether immunity is possible — and how long it might last — remains murky.

"It is a very novel virus," she said. "We don't understand the immunology of this virus very much."

WHO cautioned in its brief that due to a lack of evidence, doling out passes based on recovery from the virus could lead to people ignoring public health advice when they could still get re-infected and continue the chain of transmission.



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Passports may become necessary, doctor says

For Dr. Kumanan Wilson, a physician at the Ottawa Hospital and innovation advisor at the Bruyère Research Institute, immunity passports will be key to returning to society if the science is there to support it.

Wilson is hoping to partner with the federal government to launch a digital identification system that shows who is protected from the virus should immunity tests become available.

"It is possible that the science doesn't demonstrate that you do develop long-lasting immunity, in which case [passports] would not be an appropriate way to proceed," Wilson said. "But if the science does demonstrate that this is a good solution, it will be important to have a technological solution in place."

Wilson has proposed a system that would arm Canadians, or people around the world, with a digital record of their level of protection, which would be scanned to enter workplaces, sports stadiums and airports.

He acknowledged that classifying people based on protection status could lead to other concerns, such as some citizens having better access to immunity tests than others, or those compelled to falsify their status to re-enter society.

But he said he's also conscious of the need for life to return to normal as quickly as possible.

"We know that for every week, every day that we wait to get people out of social isolation, it's causing quite a bit of harm."



https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/herd-immunity-should-not-be-supported-tam-says-1.5545332

if we start needing passports in country
sure as hell hope the offices to change my legal name and gender reopen first
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Re: Viral outbreak in China - Coronavirus 2020 [Re: Tantrika]
    #26627844 - 04/25/20 06:15 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Important PSA about Bleach Safety:


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Re: Viral outbreak in China - Coronavirus 2020 [Re: bodhisatta]
    #26627845 - 04/25/20 06:16 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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Do you realize that the fuckers who are drinking bleach are the ones who are advocating for old people to die?




Where did you pull this from? Sounds like something you just pulled out your ass

:unimpressed:  :imout:


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Re: Viral outbreak in China - Coronavirus 2020 [Re: koods]
    #26627853 - 04/25/20 06:19 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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I still don't understand how outdoor temperature and sunlight plays a role in viral spread when the majority of people spend almost all day inside and outdoor transmission is probably extremely rare.



It is. Yesterday I posted a study where only 1% of transmission occurred in an outdoor setting




any transmission rate at all means that outdoor concerts still won't be a thing tho right?

just that smaller groups are not at basically any issue outside?


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Re: Viral outbreak in China - Coronavirus 2020 [Re: Tantrika] * 1
    #26627858 - 04/25/20 06:20 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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I heard doctors offices all over were flooded with calls by people asking about downing bleach or whatever they're thinking of taking.




yuuup

Seriously though guys i just found out that IV vitamin c is sort of like injecting disinfectant and it is being done commonly. At high doses it apparently converts to hydrogen peroxide. Idk no time to look it up but this was told to me today by a doctor and a brief search appears to confirm it someone do the research for me while i drive home thanks :awesomenod:


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Re: Viral outbreak in China - Coronavirus 2020 [Re: morrowasted]
    #26627864 - 04/25/20 06:22 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

I bet tiny amounts of vaporized bleach would kill at least some coronavirus particles in the lungs. I think we should start trials on bleach aerosols. Im not even joking.

What about chlorine gas for medical use?


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Re: Viral outbreak in China - Coronavirus 2020 [Re: TheStallionMang]
    #26627869 - 04/25/20 06:24 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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Do you realize that the fuckers who are drinking bleach are the ones who are advocating for old people to die?




Where did you pull this from? Sounds like something you just pulled out your ass

:unimpressed:  :imout:




Yes, but my ass is smart

I dont think ppl are actually gunna drink bleach and stuff... and I believe that it was purposefully discussed just to increase hysteria in the states.

But if there are ppl drinking bleach i say pour another shot.


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Re: Viral outbreak in China - Coronavirus 2020 [Re: Tantrika]
    #26627873 - 04/25/20 06:26 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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I still don't understand how outdoor temperature and sunlight plays a role in viral spread when the majority of people spend almost all day inside and outdoor transmission is probably extremely rare.



It is. Yesterday I posted a study where only 1% of transmission occurred in an outdoor setting




any transmission rate at all means that outdoor concerts still won't be a thing tho right?

just that smaller groups are not at basically any issue outside?




actually, further to this
provincial governments are still just now looking at moving the homeless from tent cities into hotels

is this actually going to further the risk of transmission or is cleaning standards indoors likely still the better option here?


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Re: Viral outbreak in China - Coronavirus 2020 [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
    #26627876 - 04/25/20 06:28 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Lol chlorine gas is very toxic but they are trying an inhaled prophylactic caalled PUL142 at the methodist hospital system locally.


https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.houstonchronicle.com/business/amp/Houston-researchers-test-lung-inhalant-that-could-15151348.php


Dammit u guys keep distracting me let me go home


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Re: Viral outbreak in China - Coronavirus 2020 [Re: morrowasted] * 1
    #26627882 - 04/25/20 06:31 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Never  :awehorny:


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Re: Viral outbreak in China - Coronavirus 2020 [Re: TheStallionMang] * 2
    #26627888 - 04/25/20 06:34 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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We just lost BigWorm a few days ago and from what I've seen it was due to something he CHOSE to put in his body AND is considered dangerous by many people even on here.




Yeah but it wasn’t fuckin’ bleach..

No doubts at all?  Someone loosely suggests bleach kills the virus and you DRINK BLEACH?  Come on man...

I don’t want those people driving on the same roads as my friends and family..:nojustno:


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Re: Viral outbreak in China - Coronavirus 2020 [Re: LogicaL Chaos] * 1
    #26627895 - 04/25/20 06:37 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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What about chlorine gas for medical use?




Let's check our list of drugs with no medical benefits, ie our list of controlled substances. . .

Nope, we're good to go!!!


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