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Re: Viral outbreak in China - Coronavirus 2020 [Re: MadMuncher]
    #26626063 - 04/25/20 01:42 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

the commercial fisheries are one of the main problems for the last of the wild fish in the NW too. they should ban all commercial fishing for a year or two in OR&WA let them have a break. a lot of populations going extinct. it's ridiculous they won't let the people fish. that sounds like a crime to me.

when are they refunding licenses and tags? you know we have to get fucking tags for our fish down there? that's how badly it's been mismanaged


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Re: Viral outbreak in China - Coronavirus 2020 [Re: BANANA.MAN]
    #26626075 - 04/25/20 01:52 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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lol I'm not even addressing the PC issue anymore. you are. I already said you win many times. I'm addressing your mischaracterization of me.
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Still trying to treat it as a competition; you can tell me I win as many times as you want, it won't mean a thing to me
was never trying to get one up over you to begin with
you are likewise mischaracterizing me as wanting for things that disinterest me

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It would have completely changed the topic. not continued with the conversation we were having. basically everything else I have said in this thread has been about covid besides the throwaway trump comment that I happened to use trudeau as an example for.
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it would have brought you back on topic with the thread after you decided to go on about how your feelings about what does or doesn't make Trudeau politically successful is stronger evidence than his reelection

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I'm not intentionally bringing him up. you are the one who's demanding i bring up examples of him acting specific ways. I let that go already.
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Could you quote my most recent "demand" of you bringing up examples?

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the only reason race was brought up is because the scandal I brought up as an example (fine a poor example I concede that whatever, All I was saying was there was indeed a scandal as opposed to the situation with Obama which lacked a scandal) I wasn't at all trying to spark a discussion about race. and just because i didn't want to jump on your out of the blue points about race doesn't mean I dont care about racism. that's one hell of a suggestion.
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As stated in recent posts, have already been stressed out by treatment of First Nations with regards to Covid
what you consider "out of the blue" was continuing on with my previous post from this past weekend

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Like I said I'm not calling him a hypocrite and I'm not holding it against him either. you are being openly dishonest.
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Twice now you have accused me of dishonesty on this basis
are you going to provide a quote of what you are interpreting that way?
Or are you expecting me to defend myself based on what appears in your mind?

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And I publicly accepted that i dont care so fine it's a crappy counter example. you win.

I'm saying I concede the point to you. that's what you win means.
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Again, you being factually wrong was never a competition, it was a correction made to your post
honestly still have no idea why you came back with the "salt" comment in response

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my post was a response to Dylan's observation about trump that wasn't meant to go anywhere.
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and my post was a simple factual correction that wasn't meant to go anywhere

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I've posted plenty of relevant stuff in this thread too.




then will have to ask you to forgive me for not having observed your presence here prior to this week
since that time you replied to my Finland meme about zombies a few weeks back
9 times out of 10, just quick scroll through basically everyone's posts except morrow

10th time, see if anything interesting is in recent discussion to ask about


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Re: Viral outbreak in China - Coronavirus 2020 [Re: MadMuncher]
    #26626076 - 04/25/20 01:52 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

I didn’t even think about that there probably isn’t going to be a refund


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Re: Viral outbreak in China - Coronavirus 2020 [Re: Led Zeppelin]
    #26626086 - 04/25/20 02:00 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.thenewstribune.com/opinion/letters-to-the-editor/article242220191.html

Recent it looks like.

Yet weed stores remain open because they get tax money from it. That’s essential for them




like that the criticism he has of weed stores isn't "just" pertaining to letting people get stoned
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Excuse me, but what is more likely to spread the virus? Hunting for spring bear or turkeys, hundreds of yards apart? Fishing for trout, yards apart? All of it outdoors.

Or standing inside a store, buying weed, a few feet apart?




it is an absurd position; obviously the higher risk is indoors
and while there can be responsible measures taken to decrease those risks, there is absolutely no comparison in terms of how much they could spread

but seem like the "issue" is more of having just the classification of essential vs non-essential

up here in Manitoba, parks, fishing and hunting are not classed as "essential" but are still not locked down

tho there have been changes in terms of camping reservations -- can rent cabins and stuff because they clean them between visitors
but they aren't letting lot rentals for tents or campers take place, which does not make sense to me in light of everything else being allowed
but maybe it is due to camper lots being really close together or something, when my parents take the camper out am typically the one watching over their dogs at home


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Re: Viral outbreak in China - Coronavirus 2020 [Re: Led Zeppelin] * 5
    #26626092 - 04/25/20 02:02 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)



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Re: Viral outbreak in China - Coronavirus 2020 [Re: Tantrika]
    #26626101 - 04/25/20 02:07 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Manitoba has, however, had a recent issue with a handful of hair salons and nail parlours reopening
then being closed back down and fined
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/manitoba/winnipeg-nail-salons-private-club-shut-down-after-operating-in-spite-of-public-health-orders-1.5543039

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Manitoba public health inspectors have shut down two Winnipeg nail salons and a private members club for remaining open after the province ordered all non-essential businesses to close.

Bars, massage parlours, and esthetics salons were among the non-essential businesses required to close on April 1 under a public health order. They are to remain closed until April 28, unless the province says otherwise.

According to a list posted on the government's website, California Nails, Ruby Nail Bar and JT's Club were all still operating this week, but have since been shut down by the province.

"There's some places that aren't getting the message, so we're having to investigate them and unfortunately do some enforcement once in a while," said Mike LeBlanc, Manitoba's chief public health inspector.

For the past six weeks, all of Manitoba's 45 public health inspectors have been focused entirely on COVID-19 concerns, LeBlanc said.

The province gets hundreds of calls a day ranging from concerns that grocery stores don't have hand sanitizer available for customers to use, to complaints about businesses staying open.

"When it comes to a place that is blatantly violating the orders, we are ticketing them and closing them down," said LeBlanc.



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'Not putting up with anything': inspector

The nail salons were each fined $486, while JT's Club received a $2,542 ticket. Two body modification shops in Brandon were also charged earlier this month for breaching the public health orders.

"I really don't know why" some businesses are breaking the rules, said LeBlanc.

"It's disappointing. We tried to say to them that, you know, this is to protect our most vulnerable population. It's in the best interests of the public, in your health, your family's health, for everyone to comply."

LeBlanc says the vast majority of Manitoba businesses have been complying with the public health directives, and many others fall in line after a warning and a little education.

When reached for comment, the owner of Ruby Nail Bar said a staff member had come in this week to check the mail.

"He turned on the light but did not open [for] business," Ruby Nguyen said in an email to CBC. "There is no way that my business was opening."

When asked about the fine, she said she has been out of the province for over a month and hadn't yet received it.

LeBlanc said that employees are allowed to go into establishments to pick up mail, clean or do routine maintenance.

"That's not what we found in these things so far. There are nail services or there is business being conducted," he said.

"We're not putting up with anything. We're taking strong enforcement on this. They know they're breaking the law, unfortunately. There's no doubt about it. We find them operating and we're issuing a ticket."

The owner of JT's Club declined to comment. California Nails did not return a request for comment.



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Customers desperate for services

A number of ads have recently appeared on Kijiji, posted by people desperate for a haircut, massage or a nail appointment as businesses that would normally provide those services are required to close.

A few businesses are also still advertising their services.

"Desperate times make desperate measures," said Shelly Duffney, owner of Lindeza Body Sugaring.

Duffney isn't taking customers but recently reposted an old ad on Kijiji.

"I just don't want to disappear. And to be honest with you, I'm not sure I remember how to post the new ad. It just seems so much easier to say 'repost,'" she laughed.

In the past month and a half, Duffney has received quite a few emails from interested consumers.

"I just explained that I'm closed right now, but if they keep me in mind when things open up that I'd offer a 10 per cent discount if they just say that they tried to contact me during the closure and I wasn't open."

Duffney opened her south Winnipeg body sugaring shop in 2017 after the company she worked for went under.

Her new business was slowly growing and just starting to break even before the COVID-19 pandemic forced her to close. As a busineess owner, she didn't make a salary and doesn't qualify for the federal government's emergency response benefit.

Still, she isn't angry at her competitors who have chosen to flout the public health orders and stay open.

"I can't get stressed over someone else's choices," said Duffney.

"Not everybody can go a month or two without an income, you know? People have to eat, too. And I'm sure I'm not the only one that fell through the cracks. If I fell through the cracks, I'm sure there's people in the same boat as me," she said

"It's a personal choice. If you want to take that risk, you take that risk. I just, I'm not in a position where I'd want to do that."

Duffney considers herself lucky to have a bit of money to fall back on for the short term, and a loving partner who has been helping to support her.



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More businesses will be fined

Dr. Brent Roussin, Manitoba's chief public health officer, said at Friday's press conference he expects more fines to be levied against businesses.

"The public health inspectors are certainly taking this seriously at businesses, and so that will continue to occur if necessary. There have been fines levied and there is certainly likely to be more," he said.

"Going forward, as we start loosening restrictions, having people adhere to those properly is going to be very vital in our success."

LeBlanc says public health inspectors are acting on complaints from the public, but also monitoring social media, want ads and websites for evidence of noncompliance.

He warns that the public needs to remember the consequences if they decide to get their nails done or have a drink at a bar while the health orders are in effect.

"You don't really need to have your hair done or your nails done that badly. It's not worth the risk," he said.

"I wouldn't want to have it on my conscience that I made a family member sick by going to a non-essential business right now. It's just not worth it."




call me resentful
but would honestly love if these idiots spun the province into another month of lockdown
rather than potentially causing a second outbreak

also, total bias as my mother has a hair dressing degree and can handle my haircuts
:rofl:
still waiting on things to open back up to get a nice super dark purple dye job tho


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Re: Viral outbreak in China - Coronavirus 2020 [Re: Asante]
    #26626113 - 04/25/20 02:14 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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Lol he suggested blasting people with UV radiation too haha


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Re: Viral outbreak in China - Coronavirus 2020 [Re: Led Zeppelin]
    #26626123 - 04/25/20 02:24 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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Lol he suggested blasting people with UV radiation too haha




...from inside the body :chump:  :iamderp:


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Re: Viral outbreak in China - Coronavirus 2020 [Re: TheStallionMang]
    #26626188 - 04/25/20 03:30 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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Led Zeppelin said:
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Asante said:





Lol he suggested blasting people with UV radiation too haha




...from inside the body :chump:  :iamderp:



Like I said...



Now he's saying he was being sarcastic and maybe he was but I still wouldn't be surprised if someone tried injecting themselves with bleach because of it. :lol:


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Re: Viral outbreak in China - Coronavirus 2020 [Re: Asante] * 5
    #26626189 - 04/25/20 03:31 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

I guess I should let my friend know. He’s been boofing bleach for a few days now.



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Re: Viral outbreak in China - Coronavirus 2020 [Re: Kizzle]
    #26626205 - 04/25/20 03:54 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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Now he's saying he was being sarcastic and maybe he was but I still wouldn't be surprised if someone tried injecting themselves with bleach because of it. :lol:




I'm sure people will


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Re: Viral outbreak in Chin [Re: TheStallionMang]
    #26626206 - 04/25/20 03:57 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

That’s literally the opposite of natural selection.


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Re: Viral outbreak in Chin [Re: koods]
    #26626215 - 04/25/20 04:06 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

I think that IS natural selection. If someone is stupid enough to try it, their lack of intellegence is being bred out


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Re: Viral outbreak in Chin [Re: TheStallionMang]
    #26626243 - 04/25/20 04:48 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

The people who listen to trump for medical advice have already had too many children. Their lack of intelligence is already baked into the gene pool.


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Re: Viral outbreak in Chin [Re: HamHead]
    #26626248 - 04/25/20 04:55 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

@Morrowasted
You have posted a fair bit about concerns that people are not going to the hospital for serious conditions and suffering for it
and that has been sort of a point of rumination to me with regards to the implications
but just came across a newly posted article with regards to extreme backlogging of surgeries here in Canada
and it makes me ask if you are strictly in emergency care, or if you participate in more "routine" surgeries for things like heart attacks

apparently up here, our backlog of surgeries has just been getting larger than it already was before the shutdown
and am wondering if this is the sort of thing developing down where you are, or if you're just straight up in a part of the hospital where this does not come up
/if this sort of thing just does not happen in the US system

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Sherry Beattie says her heartbeat often feels "like a washing machine that's off-balance when it's in the spin cycle."

She discovered she had atrial fibrillation — an irregular heartbeat, or arrhythmia — after suffering a stroke at age 58.

Her condition is partly controlled by medication. But Beattie, 61, suffers from fatigue and shortness of breath if she goes up stairs or tries to walk too fast.

After waiting for almost a year, Beattie, who lives in Erinsville, Ont., finally got a call saying she was scheduled for a cardiac ablation, a procedure to fix her arrhythmia, at the nearby Kingston General Hospital at the end of March.

But within days, it was cancelled as hospitals stopped all but the most urgent surgeries to free up resources for an anticipated influx of COVID-19 cases.

Meanwhile, her husband, Jim Beattie, 64, had suffered a heart attack in February and got his triple bypass surgery days before the restrictions came into place in March. 

"It was just in under the line," he said.

CBC News estimates that close to 100,000 patients across Canada have had their surgical procedures delayed due to COVID-19.

That estimate is based on data provided by the provincial and territorial health ministries, cross-checked with benchmark data from the Canadian Institute for Health Information (CIHI) on the number of procedures performed in previous years, when surgeries were at normal volumes. 

In the dramatically scaled-back operating room activity amid the coronavirus pandemic, hospitals across Canada are continuing to perform surgeries on patients who are at high risk of death or disability if they aren't treated within days or weeks — a category that includes the most urgent cancer and cardiovascular cases. 

But there are still thousands of patients with heart disease and cancer who have been assessed as less urgent whose procedures have been delayed. Both the Canadian Cancer Society and the Heart and Stroke Foundation have seen an increase in people turning to their online resources, including peer support.

Between 15,000 and 20,000 Canadians have likely had their cardiac procedures delayed due to COVID-19, according to an estimate by the Canadian Cardiovascular Society.

And according to Ontario's Ministry of Health, cancer surgeries were down by about 40 per cent between March 15 and April 12 compared to the same period last year. Assuming the demand for cancer treatment hasn't declined since last year, that translates to an estimated 1,700 patients whose cancer surgeries were postponed in Ontario alone — with the numbers continuing to rise as time goes on.

The pandemic has put the health-care system in an "impossible situation," said Andrea Seale, CEO of the Canadian Cancer Society. Patients whose procedures have been delayed are experiencing "a tremendous amount of anxiety," she said.

"If you're going through cancer, your life has already been turned upside down and then this just adds to it," she said. "And we know that cancer is not stopping through the pandemic."

And there are thousands of other surgical procedures — including high volumes of cataract surgeries and hip and knee replacements — that have also been cancelled. The conditions requiring these procedures may not be life-threatening but can put patients at risk of vision loss, and cause extreme pain and deterioration in quality of life.

Specialists and their teams are staying in touch with many patients who are waiting. They try to reassure them they haven't been forgotten and monitor those whose conditions are at risk of deteriorating, said Dr. Shaf Keshavjee, surgeon-in-chief for University Health Network in Toronto. The network includes three surgical hospitals: Toronto General, Toronto Western and Princess Margaret (devoted to cancer treatment).

"The surgeons have been most worried," Keshavjee said. "They're just seeing these waiting lists growing, and anxious patients are phoning back and worrying."



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How will surgeries ramp back up?

As the COVID-19 infection curve appears to move toward flattening in parts of Canada, many hospitals are starting to think about how to begin catching up on the enormous surgical backlog. But with the possibility of an increase in COVID-19 cases that could drain hospital resources still looming, they'll have to proceed with extreme caution, health officials say.

Surgeries across the country will slowly resume using a triage system, health ministries and doctors say, starting with the most urgent cases.

"Nobody's surgery is unimportant. It's just a matter of who ... is time-sensitive," Keshavjee said. "Things like cancer surgery, cardiac surgery, transplants and other time-sensitive surgeries will have to be prioritized.

"And we'll also have to, somehow, gradually increase our capacity to catch up in the backlog and continue to deal with new patients coming in."

This week, University Health Network in Toronto has started to slightly increase the number of urgent cancer surgeries and transplants it is performing.

If it can continue to ramp up surgical volumes, Keshavjee hopes to be caught up on "time-sensitive" surgeries by the fall. 

It's not clear how long it will take to catch up on other surgeries. It will depend on when procedures get back to a normal pace, as the backlog grows the more time passes, experts say. 

Three key factors must be in place before a surgical ramp-up can proceed, Keshavjee said:

    Government funding to pay for surgical overtime, including running evenings and weekends.
    Enough COVID-19 testing kits for every patient to check if they are infected before undertaking surgery.
    A reliable supply of personal protective equipment (PPE) for surgical staff as well as the rest of the hospital.

As surgical teams try to catch up, it's also essential to guard against staff burnout, said Dr. Andrew Krahn, a Vancouver cardiologist and president of the Canadian Cardiovascular Society.

"You don't want your operation [done] by a group of people that are tired and overworked and not sleeping well," he said. "So you have to find the right balance for what we can do."



Another critical factor to get surgeries moving again, experts agree, will depend on whether Canadians continue to follow public health guidelines, including physical distancing, frequent and thorough handwashing and staying home whenever possible — because if COVID-19 cases rise, surgeries will have to be quickly halted again.

"The faster that we can get through the pandemic, the faster that the health-care system can be back to its normal state," said Seale of the Canadian Cancer Society.

"It really will save lives."



https://www.cbc.ca/news/health/covid-19-surgery-backlog-canada-1.5543530


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Re: Viral outbreak in Chin [Re: Tantrika] * 2
    #26626254 - 04/25/20 05:01 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

The biggest hospital in Milwaukee county is a ghost town. My friend in medical imaging has nothing to do all day. As you can imagine imaging is one of the more busy parts of a hospital. There's definitely people dying from preventable things in their homes. That will be forgotten about


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Re: Viral outbreak in Chin [Re: bodhisatta] * 1
    #26626264 - 04/25/20 05:14 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)




Are these guys real or are they paid?


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Re: Viral outbreak in Chin [Re: connectedcosmos]
    #26626279 - 04/25/20 05:28 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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Are these guys real or are they paid?





What’s your point.  I watched it, and they have some good points.  At the same time, that doesn’t mean there isn’t more to consider in the grand scheme.  And, the national response to the virus does seem wacky and out of balance, or just plain old poorly considered in general.

But at the same time, there’s the larger context of this all to remain aware of as listening to their talk/briefing.  So take with a grain of discernment and salt.


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Re: Viral outbreak in Chin [Re: The Blind Ass]
    #26626287 - 04/25/20 05:35 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Yeah idk how I actually feel about the video honestly.. just wanted to see if anyone here saw it

:shrug: they do make good points

They also say this is as deadly as the flu


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Re: Viral outbreak in Chin [Re: connectedcosmos]
    #26626291 - 04/25/20 05:39 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Same


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