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InfiniteDreams


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Hammer and Dance phase?
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Asante
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We can totally get va wave of civil disobedience of "Fuck no we want our life back" and a massive infection wave riding that surf. In fact today you already see the people who "just had it with COVID" and pretend it dont exist.
If that becomes a trend, even shortlived, you get very rapid spread before people realize whats up.
Completely unchecked COVID travels FAST (R0 3-6, early in china there was a 61x increase in 10 days) and our lockdown sets the vstage for a more highly contagious variant to evolve because we're cramping its style and that favors those mutations that are extra super contageousw under lockdown conditions.
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I’m not a supporter of donald trump. He’s a supporter of me.
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Re: Viral outbreak in China [Re: lowbrow]
#26622972 - 04/23/20 05:34 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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did u even get a check broi
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ShroomerInTheRye
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morrowasted said: Told ya sooo

Wait...hold up...hold up...
Is this really telling us that it'll last in the air in, let's say, any retail shop, for a few hours?
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I haven't filed taxes in about 10 years and I’m still working. I’ll file for it eventually but I have no idea if I even qualify.
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Asante
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Re: Viral outbreak in China [Re: lowbrow]
#26622987 - 04/23/20 05:39 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Most infective are the large droplets, which are subject to gravity, as opposed to tiny droplets that linger forever.
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My check said,
From Donald J Trump ,
$1,200.00 ,
To,
The Blind Ass.
P.s. Hey Blind, make it last! Give or take 1-3 years.
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BANANA.MAN
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Jokeshopbeard said:
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BANANA.MAN said: lol for the millionth time
I'm becoming increasingly convinced that you're a bot that was programmed to argue with everyone, with the exception of lowbrow, who - for some strange reason not even the gods can fathom - you were programmed to agree with.
Maybe you just lump everyone who disagrees with you in together as people who agree with eachother.
Dont equate me with lowbrow please. no offence lowbrow.
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Re: Viral outbreak in China [Re: Asante]
#26623014 - 04/23/20 05:47 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Asante said: We can totally get va wave of civil disobedience of "Fuck no we want our life back" and a massive infection wave riding that surf. In fact today you already see the people who "just had it with COVID" and pretend it dont exist.
If that becomes a trend, even shortlived, you get very rapid spread before people realize whats up.
Completely unchecked COVID travels FAST (R0 3-6, early in china there was a 61x increase in 10 days) and our lockdown sets the vstage for a more highly contagious variant to evolve because we're cramping its style and that favors those mutations that are extra super contageousw under lockdown conditions.
What's the relation between cramped lifestyle and lockdown conditions that make the virus' mutations more contagious? The fuck?
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Jokeshopbeard
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Re: Viral outbreak in China [Re: BANANA.MAN]
#26623017 - 04/23/20 05:48 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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BANANA.MAN said: Maybe you just lump everyone who disagrees with you in together as people who agree with eachother.
I'm such a big meanie.
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BANANA.MAN
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Jokeshopbeard said:
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BANANA.MAN said: Maybe you just lump everyone who disagrees with you in together as people who agree with eachother.
I'm such a big meanie.

Lol calm down. Your assumption that I agree with lowbrow on everything is just not true. no offence intended.
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Re: Viral outbreak in China [Re: BANANA.MAN]
#26623036 - 04/23/20 05:54 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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whatabout onfence?
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Jokeshopbeard
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Re: Viral outbreak in China [Re: BANANA.MAN]
#26623037 - 04/23/20 05:54 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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LOL mate I'm just playing. I'm trying to inject a little humour into an otherwise pretty damn sombre thread. I have no issues with you or anyone else here.
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koods
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LeningradCowboy said: They get infected everywhere.
Yes I’m sure there are people who get infected outside, but most Americans do not spend that much time outside and the time they spend outside is less geared to interacting with other people. In terms of aerosolized virus, being indoors with breezeless, recirculated air is far more risky than the same viral load being almost instantly diluted by the wind and essentially infinite volume of air outside.
Also, while there are differences in the amount of time a virus can survive in the air or on a surface based on temperature, the really significant differences seen in this chart are a result of sunlight. Notice how there are two categories. No sunlight or summer sunlight. I’ve been around long enough to know that it can be sunny in the other seasons besides summer. I’m actually curious why they didn’t study the seasonal difference in the UV content of sunlight. Comparing “none” to “summer” isn’t terribly enlightening if you’d like to know seasonal variation.
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Asante
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Daijo said:
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Asante said: We can totally get va wave of civil disobedience of "Fuck no we want our life back" and a massive infection wave riding that surf. In fact today you already see the people who "just had it with COVID" and pretend it dont exist.
If that becomes a trend, even shortlived, you get very rapid spread before people realize whats up.
Completely unchecked COVID travels FAST (R0 3-6, early in china there was a 61x increase in 10 days) and our lockdown sets the vstage for a more highly contagious variant to evolve because we're cramping its style and that favors those mutations that are extra super contageousw under lockdown conditions.
What's the relation between cramped lifestyle and lockdown conditions that make the virus' mutations more contagious? The fuck?
Allow me to remind you of basic biology again since you refuse to engage your gem of a brain.
A contagion wants to fill the petri dish.
If you put obstacles in its path, darwinian selection will favor those few mutants who can be more contageous despite that obstacle. This is how bacteria learn to acquire antibiotic resistance and viruses involve to be particularly contageous, such as by having the patients cough more or have the virus particles be longer lived on surfaces.
Life adapts, viruses are no different in that regard. The ones that multiply in the greatest numbers will be the ones best suited to overcome social distancing.
Corona measures short of straight up pouring undiluted bleach on it act like a workout for the virus to overcome the resistancve to its spread, in the longer run.
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Re: Viral outbreak in China [Re: Asante]
#26623052 - 04/23/20 06:03 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Viruses that kill the host also lose their edge to survive. The common cold and the flu are true survivors. Covid-19 is as much a danger to itself as to us.
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morrowasted
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Re: Viral outbreak in China [Re: lowbrow]
#26623068 - 04/23/20 06:09 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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So it looks like the whole of Florida should be fine. It's always over 90º and the humidity is always 7000%.
oversimplification. that is talking about droplet transmission in the air. clearly no matter where you are indoor transmission and direct touch tranmission can occur regardless of climate. but the humid climate does affect the behavior of droplets. the fact that this has even been debated is kind of silly. if I were less lazy I would go back through the first 100 pages and find the study from late february where they already knew in china that there are more and less optimal climate conditions for transmission.
y'all can choose to to be obstinate if you want but the other coronaviruses except for MERS and the flu follow a seasonal pattern so it was never a stretch to bet that that would be the case with this one, and the overall evidence seems to support that climate does play a role.
the public transportation system and density in NYC undoubtedly play a bigger role than the climate
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Re: Viral outbreak in China [Re: lowbrow]
#26623072 - 04/23/20 06:11 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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lowbrow said: Viruses that kill the host also lose their edge to survive. The common cold and the flu are true survivors. Covid-19 is as much a danger to itself as to us.
the length of time it takes to incubate is a significant factor too. a virus can be quite deadly and still be very contagious if it is transmissible while it is incubating and it takes a while for the infection to kill you. which is the case with covid
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There’s no data in your chart concerning the amount of time droplets are infectious based on temperature. Only sunlight or no sunlight. New York City sidewalks spend a lot of time in shadow, regardless of season.
I do agree that the reliance on public transportation is probably the most important factor in the spread in NYC
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