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Re: Viral outbreak in China [Re: RebeccaBlack] * 1
    #26622199 - 04/23/20 12:10 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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I wonder if this applies to New York city. The subway is the main hotspot for transmission. People can't really go around without public transportation.



The federal government sat by for weeks as report after report of people returning from Europe getting sick in the New York area. There was no ban on travel or even screening until the second week of March. Why did trump decide to ban travel from China when there were only 1000 reported cases there, but he waited until there were tens of thousands of cases in Europe before doing anything? There was no action taken until the predictable explosion of cases here started. Absolute incompetence. The


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Re: Viral outbreak in China [Re: LeningradCowboy]
    #26622241 - 04/23/20 12:26 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Anyone see the Bloomberg article reporting that 13% of New York State residents are showing bio marker indicating prior infection? That’s a lot more than reported case count. Even if this thing has a mort rate of one half if one percent, that doesn’t change the predicament nor the fact that this is very, very dangerous for people over 60, or even 50.


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Re: Viral outbreak in China [Re: CountHTML]
    #26622251 - 04/23/20 12:29 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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Bill Burr made the point that almost every time Trump talks, he says something that would torpedo anyone else's political career. Guy is pretty untouchable... His followers have different standards.




Everyone already knew what they were signing up for with trump. Its not like they found out hes some big phony who pretended to be a proffessional politician.

Everyone knew the guy who has had three wives and cheated on each of the previous wives with the next wife wasnt exactly a role model. you knew by the way he talked and the things he said that he wasnt the the most complex man.

Look at two otyer examples examples.

Obama admitted to using drugs when he was young. so nobody could use that against him to expose him and make him look dishonest. everyone just kind of accepted it.

Trudeau on the other hand spent all his breath for 5 years talking about racism and discrimination, citing the most petty supposed examples. Then it comes out that he had done black face... and brown face. Didnt he paint his skin like three times atleast? lol. So everyone can point and laugh at him and call him a hypocrite and a phony politician.

You can absolutely destroy a candidate who relies on a clean or sophisticated image with a little dirt or a slip up. Trump does not rely on those.



I get that Trump supporters knew what they were signing up with him and no one should be surprised by how he conducts himself but this pandemic has changed that entire equation. We don't have the luxury to play the game he always plays with the establishment. Recently when he sent out his liberate tweets I guarantee that was because he saw trump supporters and wanted to embolden that. Doing the right thing would have been acknowledging the protesters plea but condemning the way the protests are being conducted.

His own guidelines say that estate has to have a 14-day decline in cases and a lot of those states he said to liberate don't I've a 14 day decline. He's encouraging people to break the guidelines that him and the coronavirus task force of America put out. The reason? Votes. That's why he's willing to risk killing more people, that's why he's willing to confuse the shit out of people about what he's really saying, what's safe and what isn't. Another example is hydroxychloroquine during this whole thing up until the last few weeks I have almost been sold buy Trump on its effectiveness. Now we are finding out that it leads to deadly heart complications on a heart already ravaged by covid. Imagine how many people were given this drug and will face a lifetime of medical problems or possibly just died very shortly.



Trump put a travel ban on china before anyone and was criticized by everyone. back wgen CNN and basically everyone was saying coronavirus was no big deal. Joe Biden heavily criticized the move. now people are changing the story somehow saying he reacted too slow.

plenty of people including Cuomo basically said the same thing about hydroxy chloroquine. its showing promise, its been around for a long time and has a history of use, ect. yet only trump got crap. maybe he was a little more careless with his language but he basically said the same thing everyone else was saying.

I really dont see what Trump did so wrong that other world leaders have done right. i dont think trump had a uniquely poor response.




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Its becoming  clear that a lack of symptoms or the presence od mild symptims is very commom.

if 3% of the dutch popularion has been infected that would make the fatality rate like 0.6 percent. its clear most official numners are wrong and the death rate is lower.

The anti body tests in LA county show there is possibly an even lower fatality rate.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/abcnews.go.com/amp/Health/wireStory/los-angeles-study-suggests-virus-widespread-70255010

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-8224915/amp/Dutch-study-suggests-3-population-coronavirus-antibodies.html



https://www.ny1.com/nyc/all-boroughs/news/2020/04/22/15--of-pregnant-women-in-nyc-study-test-positive-for-covid-19


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Re: Viral outbreak in China [Re: Alan Rockefeller] * 1
    #26622260 - 04/23/20 12:35 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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Isnt there a law against a president using the position for commercial gain?






Yes.  https://www.law.cornell.edu/cfr/text/5/2635.702





But then trump said  :justno: , and then everybody said  :okay:


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Re: Viral outbreak in China [Re: Baby_Hitler] * 1
    #26622264 - 04/23/20 12:38 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

It’s also amazing how something like this reveals the wide spectrum of degree of human sensitivity to threat and overall wisdom and discernment. This is a period of time where bad ideas can kill. It is incredible though how aloof some people are, putting themselves and other at risk but, at the bottom of it, it seems temperamental and unchangeable.


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Re: Viral outbreak in China [Re: CountHTML]
    #26622284 - 04/23/20 12:47 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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Anyone see the Bloomberg article reporting that 13% of New York State residents are showing bio marker indicating prior infection? That’s a lot more than reported case count. Even if this thing has a mort rate of one half if one percent, that doesn’t change the predicament nor the fact that this is very, very dangerous for people over 60, or even 50.





Yeah Count, it’s a bit staggering.  I suppose I shouldn’t be surprised, seeing as there is what we know, and what we know we don’t know.

Lots more people have it , regardless of symptomatic or asymptomatic ,  we can only test so many -  meanwhile, logically, there’s bound to be multiples and multiples more than is reported in the official numbers due to limited coverage of testing being what it currently is.


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Re: Viral outbreak in China [Re: The Blind Ass] * 2
    #26622293 - 04/23/20 12:51 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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Trump put a travel ban on china before anyone and was criticized by everyone. back wgen CNN and basically everyone was saying coronavirus was no big deal.




except for, you know, the people in this thread


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Re: Viral outbreak in China [Re: morrowasted] * 2
    #26622303 - 04/23/20 12:58 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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Trump put a travel ban on china before anyone and was criticized by everyone. back wgen CNN and basically everyone was saying coronavirus was no big deal.




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Re: Viral outbreak in China [Re: morrowasted] * 1
    #26622335 - 04/23/20 01:14 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Trump made a ton of misleading statements about that China Travel "Ban" as stated here: https://www.factcheck.org/2020/03/the-facts-on-trumps-travel-restrictions/


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Re: Viral outbreak in China [Re: morrowasted] * 2
    #26622384 - 04/23/20 01:35 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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Trump put a travel ban on china before anyone and was criticized by everyone. back wgen CNN and basically everyone was saying coronavirus was no big deal.




except for, you know, the people in this thread



I just wonder why the world leader who acted before others is the one being most heavily criticized for not acting fast enough. and why democrats say the same things as trump about potential medication for example or whatever but only Trump gets shit when some non trump supporter drinks coy pond cleaner.

it doesnt seem to make much sense.


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Re: Viral outbreak in China [Re: LogicaL Chaos] * 1
    #26622394 - 04/23/20 01:39 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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Trump made a ton of misleading statements about that China Travel "Ban" as stated here: https://www.factcheck.org/2020/03/the-facts-on-trumps-travel-restrictions/



What is the problem?

if there werent any exceptions im sure you would have taken issue with that too.

The American government cant prevent Americans from entering America.

so even though he was the first to act despite all the backlash he got. because there were exemptions hes back to being the reason this is happening?


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Re: Viral outbreak in China [Re: BANANA.MAN]
    #26622409 - 04/23/20 01:44 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

I still havent been able to find the brand name of the pond cleaner.


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Re: Viral outbreak in China [Re: BANANA.MAN] * 1
    #26622411 - 04/23/20 01:44 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

No ones blaming him for the cause.  Just dropping the ball in terms of setting clear guidelines and acting way to late and being guilty of sending seriously paradoxical messages about what the hell was happening and how to deal with it, and that’s dropping the fucking ball.

Commander in Chief must do better than presenting a schizo remedy to the public .

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Re: Viral outbreak in China [Re: The Blind Ass] * 2
    #26622418 - 04/23/20 01:47 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

see you say he "acted too late" but he acted faster than other world leaders and he even went against all the people telling him not to act. he went through all the push back by everyone including drmocrats and acted anyway even though it was unpopular.

so if Trump acted too slow then I geuss every other world leader is even worse than trump and dropped the ball even harder right?

the medical proffessionals told people not to wear masks, masks were seen very negitively in the beggining. now they are saying "wear a scarf or a bandana, anything helps" thats "paradoxical" and contradictory. like all the other information throughout this pandemic. i dont see what Trump did uniquely wrong to deserve the majority of the blame for dropping the ball.

Trump isnt the one who presented it as an option. he stated like many other officials including democrats that it has shown promise and has a history of being safely used to treat other illnesses.

you cant blame Trump for "presenting it" the medical community was looking into it and trump mentioned that.


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Re: Viral outbreak in China [Re: BANANA.MAN] * 1
    #26622438 - 04/23/20 01:55 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

New Zealand, Taiwan, South Korea, Germany,....all examples of world leaders who acted sooner and thus, were able to actually effectively contain the virus. We can't even properly mitigate it. There are plenty of other countries out that there are in as much of a shit storm as we are, but it's not like it's impossible to have done a (way) better job handling it and those countries I just listed have proven exactly that.


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Re: Viral outbreak in China [Re: pirate-blues]
    #26622440 - 04/23/20 01:56 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Speaking of other countries responses - anyone have any word on how Sweden is doing with their little experiment in darwinism?


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Re: Viral outbreak in China [Re: pirate-blues]
    #26622446 - 04/23/20 01:58 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Better than any other piece of geography with an invisible border line and boss


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Re: Viral outbreak in China [Re: bodhisatta]
    #26622451 - 04/23/20 02:00 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

I don't think Sweden has a hard-on for giving 80 year olds an extra two years at the expense of the rest of society. Maybe their culture isn't so juvenile about mortality


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Re: Viral outbreak in China [Re: bodhisatta]
    #26622453 - 04/23/20 02:00 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Right, you got any actual numbers?


(..this came off a smidge sassier than I intended. This is a genuine question.)


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Re: Viral outbreak in China [Re: pirate-blues] * 1
    #26622468 - 04/23/20 02:07 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Not good. The tactic of looking in another direction of the dead did not show any significant decrease in deaths. It actually made it worse. No real restrictions. 22 Swedish scientist tried to make goverment listen and to copy Finlands aproach, they were shot down publicly(in tv not really) Time will tell what will happen but now Sweden has more deahs per capita than us. I really hope that the Swedish way is not the right one because putting capitalism over peoples lives is simply wrong.

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