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DoneKildatReason
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This is and has been The Subject of the last few months....
The people protesting are doing so because of information like this:
Next news network, afternoon of 4-21-20
Beyond that, there are several doctors speaking against the current narrative of The Subject:
Have a look at this talk between Dr. Joseph Mercola and Shiva Ayyadurai, who has a PhD from MIT.
This kind of information is coming out and changing perceptions. We can integrate this information, if it is correct, without taking away anything from those who've lost loved ones to this terrible virus.
Or Dr. Steve A Buttard:
These Doctors all have channels with multiple videos about this topic.
For those who like a little woo-woo with their science, check out clif high:
I am late to the thread, apologies if any of these have been discussed - these above videos are from the last few days, but similar content has been slowly evolving coming out.
These things are making people wonder. I can't help but see the possibility of these guys above using this situation as a way to "have a voice" - or get money.
Main Point = There is no shortage of alternate voices on The Subject.
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These guys working private practice or as hospitalists or what?
Their speciality in medicine?
...oh god....
...oh no....
I looked them up.
Yeah...while i personally admire many a physicians skilled prowess and knowledge and experience in their field of specialization or practice...
A doctor is still human, and subject to the folly as any man. But damn they can be good at what they do.
Still!, look up these guys and their credentials ....it’s just sad man. Staining the good name of medicine for their quackery and grift, delusion , or misguided naivety.
One of the guys in the video above: a. Dr. Joseph Mercola Is an osteopath... and has an annual income of $10,000,000 million a year. He’s an online businessman who sells snake oil . He’s the kind of guy who sells water next to a river to people dying of thirst. Proponent of alternative medicine. That alone is hit or miss, but he’s a businessman not a guy to take life or death or serious life advice from.
The other ones are all on some level, questionable, evil-chaotic, immoral, fringe, on to something, or insane....look em up see for yourself
Bunch of perfidious assholes these guys are! Giving a bad name to one of the Nobelist vocations !
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https://quackwatch.org/cases/board/med/mercola/board_battle/
Or read here...
Dr. Joseph Mercola’s Battle with His State Licensing Board Stephen Barrett, M.D. September 1, 2015
In 2001, and again in 2004, I asked the Illinois Department of Professional Regulation to investigate Joseph Mercola, D.O., who operated the Optimum Wellness Center in Schaumberg, Illinois. Attaching copies of of various pages from his Web site, I asked the regulators to consider (a) whether he was engaged in misleading advertising and (b) what he and his associates were doing with patients. In June 2004, apparently in response to my concerns, the Department filed an administrative complaint that sought to discipline him for publishing “false and potentially harmful medical advice” on his site
[1]. Two months later, the department—which had been renamed Department of Financial and Professional Regulation (IDFPR)—expanded its complaint to object to about a dozen things:
In an article titled “NEJM Study proves Armour Thyroid Better than Synthroid,” the title was a false statement and he misstated the study’s conclusion.
Another article stated that drinking 12 glasses of water and following the diet and supplementing with beneficial bacteria seem to resolve ulcers in well over 95% of the people that he cared for with ulcers. This was a claim of superior care. Another article claimed that treatment with Bee-venom and Procaine had an incredible effect in his Lyme Disease patients and that patients start to feel much better very soon, their depression and fatigue lifts, then their pain. The complaint charged that Mercola overstated the thoughts and failed to state the possible consequences of this treatment.
Mercola said he had heard some authors state that there is a direct correlation with the number of flu shots one has and the incidence of Alzheimer’s. He also suggested that the head of your local health department’s vaccination program should be prosecuted for conspiracy to commit murder.
Mercola stated that neurostructural integration techinque (NST) would take care of 85% of most pain problems and listed 60 conditions for which people have claimed at least partial relief.
An article titled, “Your First Step towards Optimal Wellness and Finding Out If This is the Type of Treatment You are Looking For” claimed that Mercola would “identify the root cause(s) of your illness rather than use symptomatic band aids.”
Mercola also said that one of the most crucial steps you can do is to gradually switch all your fluid intake over to pure, filtered water. That will mean eventually stopping all milk, juice and soda. The complaint charged that this overstated the benefits of his practice.
Mercola routinely included a Thyroid Profile test ($71) for every new patient. The complaint charged that it was improper to have every patient take this test.
New patients were also required to have a hair analysis test ($71). Mercola claimed this would help with diet and/or supplement recommendations, but the complaint noted that his claims were refuted by recognized meaningful studies.
Mercola also offered a live cell test ($149) that would be performed by James Jordan, JD, CNC, who was said to be completing his Ph.D. at the Clayton School of Natural Healing. However, the complaint said that this school was not accredited and the test was “of questionable value.”
Certain claims in Mercola’s newsletter claimed superior treatment over other practitioners [2].
Such complaints are usually followed by an administrative hearing in which the doctor has the opportunity to defend himself. But in this case, Mercola (through his attorneys) filed a motion to dismiss the complaint based on the assertion that the board lacked jurisdiction to discipline him for the “exercise of free speech.”
The IDFPR disagreed, and an administrative law judge dismissed this motion as well as a motion to reconsider the dismissal. In denying the motion for reconsideration, the judge stated that IDFPR had made “clear allegations” that Mercola had “engaged in . . . unprofessional conduct, making misleading statements regarding his skill, claims of superior care, and deceptive statements which play upon the vanity or fears of the public” and that his defensive arguments can be raised at an administrative hearing [3].
In August 2005, Mercola petitioned the U.S. District Court to stop the disciplinary process with an injunction and award him compensatory damages of $75,000, punitive damages for $100,000, plus attorneys fees for both the petition and the underlying administrative action. The petition asserted:
Were Dr. Mercola neither a doctor nor a licensee of IDFPR, he could still operate his website; convey his ideas and opinions regarding “medical paradigms”; act as a conduit for the ideas and opinions of others; recommend drugs and other substances that he believes are helpful for treating illness, disease or injury; all without necessarily practicing medicine or saying anything that is false or against the law. He should not have fewer rights to share ideas on the Internet than would a layperson [4].
The IDFPR responded that Mercola had the opportunity to defend himself at an administrative hearing and would have the right to court review of any decision, but it would not be proper for the federal courts to interfere with a pending state administrative decision [5]. In October 2005, the District Court agreed and dismissed Mercola’s petition with these words:
This court must . . . abstain from adjudicating Dr. Mercola’s case. Dr. Mercola’s forum for proceeding on this issue is before the Illinois Department of Financial and Professional Regulation. That forum allows him to raise his constitutional challenges. He is able to appeal any adverse decisions to the Illinois courts. There is also no indication that the state administrative proceedings in this matter are motivated by a desire to harass, are conducted in bad faith or so extraordinary that irreparable injury will result if this court does not intercede. . . . . Dr. Mercola’s first amendment arguments can be litigated through both Illinois administrative proceedings and in the Illinois state courts. This court must respect the State of Illinois’ right to regulate the important state concerns of the public health and the medical profession through its administrative proceedings and state court review [6].
Undaunted, in November 2005, Mercola appealed to the U.S. District Court of Appeals. The docket for the case indicates that the proceedings were suspended shortly afterwards and in January 2007, the appeal was voluntarily dismissed at the request of both parties. By that time, Mercola’s Web site no longer listed James Jordan as a staff member; the statements to which IDFPR had objected had been removed; and, according to a report in Chicago Magazine, Mercola had stopped practicing medicine to focus on his Web site [7].
The IDFPR Web site states that Mercola has not been disciplined, and no details about how the complaint was resolved are publicly available. However, I believe it is safe to assume that he and the IDFPR reached a settlement. I suspect that the IDFPR decided that no further action was needed because Mercola had modified his Web site and stopped treating patients. It would be interesting to know whether his decision to stop practicing was influenced by fear of what might happen if the board were to look closely at how he managed patients.
References Complaint. Illinois Department of Professional Regulation v. Joseph M. Mercola, D.O., filed June 9, 2004. Amended complaint. Illinois Department of Financial and Professional Regulation v. Joseph M. Mercola, D.O., filed August 2004. Kubiatowski LA. Order. In Illinois Department of Financial and Professional Regulation v. Joseph M. Mercola, D.O., Feb 18, 2005. Complaint for injunctive, declaratory and other relief. Mercola v Department of Financial and Professional Regulation et al. U.S. District Court for the Northern District of Illinois, Eastern Division, Case No. 1:05-cv-04400, filed Aug 1, 2005. Defendants’ response to plaintiff’s petition for a temporary restraining order and injunction. In Joseph Mercola, D.O. vs Department of Financial and Professional Regulation. U.S. District Court for the Northern District of Illinois, Eastern Division, Case No. 1:05-cv-04400, filed Oct 3, 2005. Holderman JF. Statement. In Joseph Mercola, D.O. vs Department of Financial and Professional Regulation. U.S. District Court for the Northern District of Illinois, Eastern Division, Case No. 1:05-cv-4400, filed Oct 20, 2005. Smith B. Dr. Mercola: Visionary or quack? Chicago Magazine, Feb 12, 2012. This article was posted on September 1, 2015.
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Re: Viral outbreak in China [Re: Kizzle]
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Yum.
It just gets better and better.
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Still!, look up these guys and their credentials ....it’s just sad man. Staining the good name of medicine for their quackery and grift, delusion , or misguided naivety.
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Re: Viral outbreak in China [Re: Kizzle]
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Kizzle said: Covid Toes?
With the Spanish Flu toes turned purple or black.
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BANANA.MAN
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Re: Viral outbreak in China [Re: viraldrome]
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Near Dylan said: Bill Burr made the point that almost every time Trump talks, he says something that would torpedo anyone else's political career. Guy is pretty untouchable... His followers have different standards.
Everyone already knew what they were signing up for with trump. Its not like they found out hes some big phony who pretended to be a proffessional politician.
Everyone knew the guy who has had three wives and cheated on each of the previous wives with the next wife wasnt exactly a role model. you knew by the way he talked and the things he said that he wasnt the the most complex man.
Look at two otyer examples examples.
Obama admitted to using drugs when he was young. so nobody could use that against him to expose him and make him look dishonest. everyone just kind of accepted it.
Trudeau on the other hand spent all his breath for 5 years talking about racism and discrimination, citing the most petty supposed examples. Then it comes out that he had done black face... and brown face. Didnt he paint his skin like three times atleast? lol. So everyone can point and laugh at him and call him a hypocrite and a phony politician.
You can absolutely destroy a candidate who relies on a clean or sophisticated image with a little dirt or a slip up. Trump does not rely on those.
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Re: Viral outbreak in China [Re: BANANA.MAN] 2
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I've heard it being referred to as "being made of shit". If you're sparkling clean and someone flings some shit at you and hits it makes a big mess and everyone can see. If you're made made of shit anything that hits you just blends in and makes you even bigger.
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Re: Viral outbreak in China [Re: BANANA.MAN] 1
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BANANA.MAN said: ... Trudeau on the other hand spent all his breath for 5 years talking about racism and discrimination, citing the most petty supposed examples. Then it comes out that he had done black face... and brown face. Didnt he paint his skin like three times atleast? lol. So everyone can point and laugh at him and call him a hypocrite and a phony politician. ...
Trudeau managed to come out of the scandal smelling like a rose with minorities defending him because of the work he has done since that point
the only people still laughing at him and calling him a hypocrite for it seem to be the ones who were so certain he was going to lose the election because of it
instead, the Conservatives are the ones scrambling for a new leader because their own ended up being corrupt and spending party money on private schooling for his kids
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Re: Viral outbreak in China [Re: Kizzle] 2
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Kizzle said:
You can read the reasoning behind that here.
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41591-020-0820-9
Okay, I'm really not trying to be dense here, but they say several times in this article that they can't be sure.
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Although the evidence shows that SARS-CoV-2 is not a purposefully manipulated virus, it is currently impossible to prove or disprove the other theories of its origin described here.
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More scientific data could swing the balance of evidence to favor one hypothesis over another.
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Although no animal coronavirus has been identified that is sufficiently similar to have served as the direct progenitor of SARS-CoV-2, the diversity of coronaviruses in bats and other species is massively undersampled.
Viruses have escaped from labs before, and in 2015, the Wuhan Virus Institute and a University in the Carolinas did a study of SARS like viruses and how they bind to the ACE 2 enzyme. They modified it to infect mice, specifically, and study how it affected both young and old mice. The first known patient in Wuhan didn't have any connections to the wet market, but he did have a connection to the lab. Again, I can't reiterate this enough...I'm not any kind of expert on biology, but the "it didn't come from a lab" evidence isn't really pulling me in. I get that scientists hate to commit to a theory....totally understand why they're hesitant without exact undeniable proof.....but it's still up in the air it seems.
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ShroomerInTheRye said: Again, I can't reiterate this enough...I'm not any kind of expert on biology, but the "it didn't come from a lab" evidence isn't really pulling me in. I get that scientists hate to commit to a theory....totally understand why they're hesitant without exact undeniable proof.....but it's still up in the air it seems.
Here's some evidence that covid19 didn't escape from the Wuhan virology lab, and that it started in September or October.
https://www.newsweek.com/coronavirus-outbreak-september-not-wuhan-1498566
The genetic diversity of the virus is greater in Wuhan than in Guangdong, so it's unlikely to have originated in Wuhan at all. It's possible that it escaped from a lab in Guangdong, but in my opinion more likely that it escaped bats more naturally, for example from a farmer collecting guano for fertilizer or from stray dogs eating bats and passing it on to humans. We will probably never know for sure - if it did escape from a lab, it's very likely that the person who leaked it will never know they are the source, perhaps a janitor cleaning bat cages without proper PPE.
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An interesting paper came out recently:
Abstract We study the effects of news coverage of the novel coronavirus by the two most widely-viewed cable news shows in the United States — Hannity and Tucker Carlson Tonight, both on Fox News — on viewers’ behavior and downstream health outcomes. Carlson warned viewers about the threat posed by the coronavirus from early February, while Hannity originally dismissed the risks associated with the virus before gradually adjusting his position starting late February. We first validate these differences in content with independent coding of show transcripts. In line with the differences in content, we present novel survey evidence that Hannity’s viewers changed behavior in response to the virus later than other Fox News viewers, while Carlson’s viewers changed behavior earlier. We then turn to the effects on the pandemic itself, examining health outcomes across counties. First, we document that greater viewership of Hannity relative to Tucker Carlson Tonight is strongly associated with a greater number of COVID-19 cases and deaths in the early stages of the pandemic. The relationship is stable across an expansive set of robustness tests. To better identify the effect of differential viewership of the two shows, we employ a novel instrumental variable strategy exploiting variation in when shows are broadcast in relation to local sunset times. These estimates also show that greater exposure to Hannity relative to Tucker Carlson Tonight is associated with a greater number of county-level cases and deaths. Furthermore, the results suggest that in mid-March, after Hannity’s shift in tone, the diverging trajectories on COVID-19 cases begin to revert. We provide additional evidence consistent with misinformation being an important mechanism driving the effects in the data. While our findings cannot yet speak to long-term effects, they indicate that provision of misinformation in the early stages of a pandemic can have important consequences for how a disease ultimately affects the population.
https://bfi.uchicago.edu/wp-content/uploads/BFI_WP_202044.pdf
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Okay, now that’s a little more compelling and gives a much more natural explanation for the spread. The New Year did happen around that time, and it’s perfectly natural for people to go to a big city for a new year party. Like how people go to NYC for the ball drop.
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Asante SpiritGuide
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I dont know what Asante told you guys I said in this thread but it wasnt me. He has some young lil spirit thot whispering nonsense in his ears lately
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1 out of every 1000 New York State residents has died of covid-19 (1 out of 550 In NYC - that’s a .18 mortality rate - already double the CFR of the flu and 10x-20x the mortality rate of the flu)
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The wife and I have tested negative for covid.
I've been out of work for the last week and a half. Couldn't stop coughing and sore throat. Still coughing every day, its been 11 days with a cough now. Had to go back to work today.
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2 Californians died of coronavirus weeks before the 1st previously known US Case
https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/22/us/california-deaths-earliest-in-us/index.html
These people died between February 6th and 17th, about 3 weeks before the previously first known case. They did not have any travel history or obvious exposure. Scientists believe it was community spread.
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