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Re: Viral outbreak in China [Re: gopher]
#26613209 - 04/19/20 03:34 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Not sure how this got missed, but a Boca Raton lawyer has already filed a lawsuit against the Chinese Communist Party in federal court for reparations due to coronavirus.
Here is the complaint: https://www.bermanlawgroup.com/pdf/field-complaint.pdf
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Re: Viral outbreak in China [Re: gopher]
#26613287 - 04/19/20 04:06 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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ShroomerInTheRye said: Not sure how this got missed, but a Boca Raton lawyer has already filed a lawsuit against the Chinese Communist Party in federal court for reparations due to coronavirus.
Here is the complaint: https://www.bermanlawgroup.com/pdf/field-complaint.pdf
Is this even something that is feasible? How can they go after the whole government of china?
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SITR, I think your avatar needs to comply with "wearing the mask in public" thang.
PLUS = 
Larabar's been supplying appropriate PPE in this thread, https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/26599292#26599292 and I'm sure they'll be glad to accommodate you and anyone else needing a mask.
@ Asante, Do we have any smilys wearing masks? 
I did order 2 -'95 rated' masks last night from Ythans tip before they sold out.
They'll be better than the old dust mask and cheap surgeon mask I've been using while shopping (as mandated by my Governor) 
I also got an appointment with Red Cross for the wife and I to donate blood in about 2 weeks. 
Be well y'all.
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Re: Viral outbreak in China [Re: vinsue]
#26613666 - 04/19/20 07:21 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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touching ur face is way more dangerous than not wearing a mask
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#26613719 - 04/19/20 07:42 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Thanks for pointing me to the mask distributor. Just been raw dogging it out here...snorting lines of chloroquine with coffee every morning for protection.
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How have you been feeling Shroomer?
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Re: Viral outbreak in China [Re: HamHead] 1
#26613801 - 04/19/20 08:21 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Alberta health-care workers say new masks don't seal, cause rashes and headaches
Alberta goverment says they are fine, work properly, and calling attention to the safety hazard is 'politicizing' a crisis
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Masks delivered to health-care workers in Alberta this week are causing headaches and rashes for some, and don't adequately seal to protect workers and patients, nurses say.
But the Alberta government says the masks are safe and said calls to nationalize the manufacturing of personal protective equipment (PPE) are politicizing a crisis.
One Calgary nurse, who CBC News has agreed not to identify to protect her employment, said before this week her unit was supplied with procedural masks from Edmonton-based Pri-Med, a company registered with Health Canada that makes medical supplies.
But now they've switched to masks from Vanch, a company based in Shenzhen, China, that focuses on radio-frequency identification products but also makes thermometers and masks.
"[The new masks] have gaps along the side, you can't seal them along your face ... because the mask itself is so big and the loops on the side are so big, the seal on the top of the nose doesn't do anything. You put it on and you smile at your patient and your nose is exposed," the nurse said.
"They don't stay in place, they've got a funky odour and they're causing quite a lot of reactions ... with these ones, my face is actually burning and swollen."
She said within about 30 minutes of putting one of the new masks on, she started to feel a burning sensation along the edge of the mask and her airway felt constricted.
She could only handle wearing the mask for about 90 minutes, and her face stayed swollen and felt like it was burning until the following day. She said colleagues have reported similar issues.
She said there are some of the former, Pri-Med masks, available, and those are being prioritized for workers in units with COVID-19 cases and other respiratory illnesses.
"I feel like our lives are obviously worth more than that. And I feel they're putting us at a needless risk when we had the proper masks that were working.... These particular masks are horrible, horrible quality."
Dr. Michael Chatenay, an Edmonton surgeon, said the new masks are of substandard quality, which has him worried about other supplies the province is procuring.
"What's even more concerning is, are the quality of the N95 masks we're going to be getting, are they going to be of the same quality? The 3M masks we're getting are very good.... These are the masks that are really important to protect our lives from this virus."
Health-care workers have shared similar frustrations on social media, with one poster sharing a video of how easily the new procedural mask slips off their nose.
Susan Slade is vice-president of the Alberta Union of Provincial Employees, which represents 95,000 workers in the province, about half of whom work in health care. She said a number of workers have shared similar concerns about mask quality.
"People need these masks right now. They need to be able to wear them and they need to be able to feel safe at work," she told CBC News.
"It doesn't matter how many thousands and thousands of masks we can procure.... If they're not of appropriate quality, what's the point?"
She wants to see the government obtain higher quality masks in the short term and to work toward nationalizing medical equipment production.
"The only way we can truly ensure quality control and timely distribution of PPE is if it's manufactured in-house, in Alberta, and overseen by a public body."
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Call to nationalize 'preposterous'
Steve Buick, press secretary to provincial Health Minister Tyler Shandro, said all PPE procured by Alberta Health Services is safe and will protect staff and patients.
"The call to nationalize suppliers is preposterous, an example of politicizing the COVID-19 emergency to promote an irrelevant political agenda," he said.
"AHS is doing a superb job of sourcing PPE. To do so, they're working with new suppliers, and that includes adjusting products to meet their needs and respond to staff concerns."
The minister's office said AHS is working on a process to reduce the smell from the procedural masks, and future shipments from the supplier will include corrections to improve fit.
On April 11 the province announced it had signed contracts valued at more than $200 million for PPE, including for millions of gowns and masks. The same day, the premier said the province would be shipping millions of pieces of excess medical equipment to provinces in need.
CBC News spoke to two nurses following that decision, who said while they applauded the province's generosity, they had concerns that as guidelines change to require more frequent changeover of PPE, workers could go through supplies faster than planned. CBC News has agreed not to identify those nurses to protect their employment.
Alberta Health Services said on Twitter that it has been sourcing alternative providers of products to ensure PPE continues to be readily available, and said the odour from the new procedural masks has to do with the plastic the masks are shipped in.
"Because regular supply chain for procurement of procedure masks cannot meet the required demand during this response, staff may see ten or more new brands of masks, over the coming weeks. These masks are all safe, certified and meet ASTM Level 1 filtration requirements," AHS said.
AHS is also collecting and sterilizing used N95 masks, which provide a better filter and seal than procedural masks, in the event of a shortage.
Stories have surfaced internationally about subpar medical supplies arriving from China, and health-care workers across the country have expressed anxieties around PPE shortages.
On Saturday in Calgary, volunteers with national group Conquer COVID-19 were receiving donations of PPE to distribute to front-line workers.
Provincial Culture and Status of Women Minister Leela Aheer was there, helping collect donations.
She said while the government has made it easier to procure PPE, they're in uncharted territory, and non-profits can help fill gaps that open up.
"To have these organizations come to us and tell us where they're lacking, where the gaps are, it's really helpful for us because then we can figure out what's the best way forward. So I'm very grateful to anybody who responds or gives us feedback or criticism," she said.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgary/mask-issues-alberta-1.5537345
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Re: Viral outbreak in China [Re: Tantrika] 1
#26613850 - 04/19/20 08:43 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Early signs suggest race matters when it comes to COVID-19. So why isn't Canada collecting race-based data?
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How do you solve a problem you can't see?
That's the question several researchers and health professionals across the country are pressing Canada to consider as the battle against COVID-19 wages on. The fear: the virus will kill overwhelming numbers of populations we simply aren't paying attention to.
There's a blind spot in this country's approach to combating the virus, these advocates say, and it's one that for many could make the difference between life or death: race-based data.
"We know that people who are poor, people who are homeless, Indigenous populations and also our refugee, immigrant and racialized populations, they're more likely to have chronic diseases because chronic diseases go with poverty and they go with low income," said Dr. Kwame McKenzie of the Toronto-based Wellesley Institute.
When resources are stretched, McKenzie said, people with chronic diseases may not find themselves at the top of the list for intensive care and ventilators. He said that in some cases, people with underlying conditions have been denied access to those resources during the pandemic, with the priority going to those deemed more likely to survive.
"You have to collect the data to do good medicine."
Canada doesn't track race or ethnicity as part of its data collection around COVID-19. And that dearth of data has come into sharp focus as Canadians look across the border to their southern neighbour, the United States, which has emerged as the hardest-hit country in the world, with a death toll surpassing 36,000.
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'No plans' to collect race-based data in Canada
In parts of the U.S., an overwhelming number of black and Latino residents have died of the virus compared with other groups, even where they are a minority. Consider Chicago, where black residents are 30 per cent of the population but make up more than 70 per cent of the COVID-19-related deaths.
In New York City, more Latino and black residents have died of the virus than their white or Asian counterparts, according to figures released by New York's health department, which cautions its statistics are not comprehensive. Indeed, in the 12 states reporting race and ethnicity data around COVID-19, black residents were found to be 2.5 times more likely to die of the virus than the general population, according to the public policy research group APM Research Lab.
But as to whether Canada intends to collect that sort of data, a spokesperson for chief public health officer Dr. Theresa Tam told CBC News this week, "There are currently no plans to add more social determinants of health (such as education or income) as risk factors to the case reporting form used for the collection of COVID-19 data."
Asked last week if Ontario planned to collect such data, the province's chief medical officer of health, Dr. David Williams, replied that the groups identified to be most at risk are the elderly, people with underlying conditions and those with compromised immune systems.
"So those are all priorities to us, regardless of race, ethnic or other backgrounds. They're all equally important to us," Williams answered.
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'It's really concerning'
Ontario's Anti-Racism Act allows the government to mandate race-based data collection across various sectors, but the province has said health-care providers aren't authorized to do the same because of privacy considerations.
Williams's response was met with criticism from several health-care advocates and professionals, including Suzanne Obiorah, the director of primary care at Ottawa's Somerset West Community Health Centre. "It's really concerning. It's almost like there wasn't an acknowledgement of existing health disparities," Obiorah told CBC News.
"It doesn't allow us to fully understand the impacts of COVID in vulnerable communities. And then it doesn't help us to organize ourselves to target vulnerable communities in a focused way."
Poverty means marginalized groups are more likely to have to continue working through the pandemic, often on the front lines as cleaners, bus drivers and at grocery stores, she and others point out.
With about half of Canada's COVID-19-related deaths taking place inside care facilities, Obiorah says, federal and provincial governments have been able to rework their approach to prioritize the senior population.
"But what informed us to be able to do that was data," she said.
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Alberta acknowledges some 'systemically disadvantaged'
Obiorah and a group of black medical professionals are now petitioning for officials to immediately mandate the collection of race and socio-demographic-based data.
"Without an evidence base, the inequitable experiences of marginalized populations are dismissed as anecdotal and interventions are not prioritized," they said in an open letter to the Ontario government..
Last week, Alberta's chief public health officer committed to begin looking into race-based data collection. "We know that certain groups of people are systemically disadvantaged," Dr. Deena Hinshaw said, adding that it could work with First Nations groups to pull specific data from the provincial system.
During the H1N1 pandemic in 2009, Indigenous people in Canada were six-and-a-half times more likely to end up in intensive care units, Toronto-based pediatric infectious disease specialist Dr. Anna Banerji told CBC News.
At the time, Health Canada sent dozens of body bags to some of the hardest-hit reserves in Manitoba, as part of a shipment of hand sanitizers and face masks. The federal agency later apologized, but the action left some members of the community feeling they simply weren't a priority to Canada.
"Is the body bags a statement from Canada that we as First Nations are on our own?" Wasagamack Chief Jerry Knott asked at the time.
"Knowing that these communities are at higher risk for multiple reasons should be a call for action," said Banerji.
"We say that this virus affects people equally. It really doesn't. It affects people who don't have the resources really to not work and to buy gloves and to take care of themselves."
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/race-coronavirus-canada-1.5536168
further on US data showing deadlier outcomes for black people and Latinos, due to social inequality and housing etc. https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/covid-19-essential-workers-at-risk-communities-1.5533376
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#26613862 - 04/19/20 08:49 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Re: Viral outbreak in China [Re: sh4d0ws] 1
#26613934 - 04/19/20 09:33 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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ShroomerInTheRye said: Not sure how this got missed, but a Boca Raton lawyer has already filed a lawsuit against the Chinese Communist Party in federal court for reparations due to coronavirus.
Here is the complaint: https://www.bermanlawgroup.com/pdf/field-complaint.pdf
Is this even something that is feasible? How can they go after the whole government of china?
Here's an excellent video which explores this idea in depth.
tl;dr: Probably not.
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Fantastic. Full enough of energy. Cleaned and jarred 40 lbs of birdseed yesterday and started PC'ing it today. Honestly, it feels silly to quarantine over how I felt. Probably would have gone to work, maybe taking the afternoon off for the fever.
How are you holding up?
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Re: Viral outbreak in China [Re: Tantrika]
#26613964 - 04/19/20 09:53 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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They were blaming it on lack of affordable healthcare and front facing jobs here, but it's happening in the UK to doctors and nurses. Everyone has healthcare in the UK, and doctors are the healthcare, but black, hispanic, and minority healthcare workers are dying in greater numbers there too.
It doesn't make sense.
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CookieCrumbs said: We are. We have to accept the possibility if not likelihood that it will infect everyone on this planet.
Not cynical. That's just realism. Again we are just buying time to increase medical stock and not overwhelm hospitals so less people die.
You will get it. Your family will get it. Your elderly neighbor will get it. It's just far better if we all get it over a period of 3 years instead of 3 months.
It'll infect everywhere but not everyone. Maybe 70% if no vaccine is created. As the number people that are immune to it rises it won't be able to spread fast enough and will eventually disappear before the rest catch it. That is unless it turns out to be able to mutate fast enough to reinfect people who were once immune before it disappears which is what the flu does.
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ShroomerInTheRye said: Fantastic. Full enough of energy. Cleaned and jarred 40 lbs of birdseed yesterday and started PC'ing it today. Honestly, it feels silly to quarantine over how I felt. Probably would have gone to work, maybe taking the afternoon off for the fever.
How are you holding up?
Glad you're feeling good - I can totally relate. I've thought I've had this like at least 10 times now. I just got up to my folk's house in the middle of nowhere a couple days ago and have been trail running like a motherfucker, and honestly I feel absolutely great. I got all my veggies started, and am just trying to figure out how to send my brother and SIL seeds without driving to the post office. It's kind of hard to get things picked up by USPS from out here.
Unfortunately 50% of my income is going to a place that neither me nor my roommate(who's laid off and has been trying like hell to get unemployment for the past month) is currently living at, so that sucks. But she's about 45 minutes away at her own families place, and is down to grow some mushrooms for me(my parents are chill, and partake, but don't want me growing anything here, and I won't disrespect their rules), so I'm currently in the process of getting us set up for that . Also got myself set up as a new patient at a dispensary that's about 35ish minutes away. So I'm doing okay, and my pup has been loving all this wide open space.
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I’m sure the CPC and PRC will be most apologetic, obliging the dear attorney in Boca Raton...
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sh4d0ws said:
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ShroomerInTheRye said: Not sure how this got missed, but a Boca Raton lawyer has already filed a lawsuit against the Chinese Communist Party in federal court for reparations due to coronavirus.
Here is the complaint: https://www.bermanlawgroup.com/pdf/field-complaint.pdf
Is this even something that is feasible? How can they go after the whole government of china?
Here's an excellent video which explores this idea in depth.
tl;dr: Probably not.
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I can't believe Trump is now calling on people to violate HIS policies. They might as well just end the lockdowns now. I have zero faith that this government is competent enough to pull off what other countries are. I get the feeling it's going to be trillions of dollars wasted, millions of jobs lost, and that will be in addition to the full health and economic effects of the virus spreading anyway when we fail to control it while trying to open economy back up.
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Kizzle said: I can't believe Trump is now calling on people to violate HIS policies. They might as well just end the lockdowns now. I have zero faith that this government is competent enough to pull off what other countries are. I get the feeling it's going to be trillions of dollars wasted, millions of jobs lost, and that will be in addition to the full health and economic effects of the virus spreading anyway when we fail to control it while trying to open economy back up.
Yes,
unlesss....
it disappears ....
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#26614089 - 04/19/20 11:28 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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The trillions won't be "wasted" tho. And luckily we won't know where that money goes since the oversight is eliminated.
Anyways, the new guidelines are just in:
CORONAVIRUS UPDATE
New Guidelines...
Here are the official Coronavirus guidelines:
1. Basically, you can't leave the house for any reason, but if you have to, then you can.
2. Masks are useless. But they will protect you. They can save you, no they can’t, they’re useless, but wear one anyway. Now they’re mandatory. But maybe. Or not.
3. Stores are closed, except for the ones that are open.
4. You should not go to the hospital unless you have to go there. Stay out of the ER at all costs unless you’re having a medical emergency then it’s okay.
5. This virus is deadly but still not too scary, except that sometimes it actually leads to a global disaster. Stay calm.
6. Gloves won't help, but they can still help. Especially if you wear the same pair for hours and everywhere you go, then you can not spread germs, nope. #science
7. Everyone needs to stay home, but it's important to go out because sun. Sunlight will kill the virus but not if the virus kills you first by walking in the sunlight where you may be exposed to the virus.
8. There is no shortage of groceries in the supermarket, but there are many things missing when you go there in the evening, but not in the morning. Sometimes.
9. The virus has no effect on children except those it has affected or will affect.
10. Animals are not affected, but there is still a cat that tested positive in Belgium in February when no one had been tested yet, and a tiger.. and one really deadly but also possibly fictional but very sick bat.
11. You will have many symptoms when you are sick, but you can also get sick without symptoms, have symptoms without being sick, or be contagious without having symptoms.
12. In order not to get sick, you have to eat well and exercise, but also never go out to the grocery store so eat shelf stable processed crap and stay inside your four walls but also stay healthy.
13. It's better to get some fresh air, but you may be arrested if you’re getting fresh air the wrong way and most importantly, don't go to a park, the fresh air there is deadly.
14. Under no circumstances should you go to retirement homes, but if you have to take care of the elderly and bring them food and medication then fine. Just wear gloves. The same ones. All day.
15. If you are sick, you can't go out, but you can go to the pharmacy to get your medications. Just don’t make eye contact cause you may spread your sickness that way.
16. You can get restaurant food delivered to the house, which may have been prepared by people who didn't wear masks or gloves. But you have to leave your groceries outside for 3 hours to be decontaminated by the fresh air that also may have virus particles floating around in it.
17. Taxi drivers are immune to the virus apparently since you can still take a taxi ride with a random taxi driver. Just don’t take the taxi to your mom’s house because you know. Stay away from your mom.
18. You can walk around with a friend if you stay six feet apart but don’t visit with your family if they don't live under the same roof as you. Even if you’ve all been locked inside for two months already. You may still have the virus and just not know it yet. You’ll find out. Wait another week. Wasn’t that week? Might be the next one. Keep waiting.
19. You are safe if you maintain the appropriate social distance, but you can’t go out with friends or strangers at the safe social distance. Social distancing means you shouldn’t leave your house and don’t be social, except you may go to the liquor store but don’t socialize there while you’re being socially distant.
20. The virus remains active on different surfaces for two hours, no, four, no, six, no, we didn't say hours, maybe days? But it takes a damp environment. Oh no, not necessarily.
21. The virus stays in the air - well no, or yes, maybe, especially in a closed room, in one hour a sick person can infect ten, so if it falls, all our children were already infected at school before it was closed. But remember, if you stay at the recommended social distance, however in certain circumstances you should maintain a greater distance, which, studies show, the virus can travel further, maybe.
22. We count the number of deaths but we don't know how many people are infected as we have only tested so far those who were "almost dead" to find out if that's what they will die of…
23. The virus will only disappear if we achieve collective immunity.. but stay inside until the virus disappears.
24. If you are out; look down at the ground because if you make eye contact and say hello then you’ll definitely get it. Maybe.
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