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Re: Viral outbreak in China [Re: Malkuthian] 2
#26612489 - 04/19/20 09:08 AM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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morrowasted said: https://vitamindwiki.com/Critical+COVID-19+was+19X+more+likely+if+low+vitamin+D+%E2%80%93+April+15%2C+2020
Info about supplementing vitamin d for covid
Nice find! Thanks for sharing. And that's just Vitamin D! I wondered many times during this "crisis" why on earth would we not measure serum vitD level in the hospitalized. Mind as well measure Zinc and Selenium levels. I'm pretty sure we could have cornered this virus by now.
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Re: Viral outbreak in China [Re: ZenZone]
#26612601 - 04/19/20 10:13 AM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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My wife and I were talking last night about how I might have gotten it already in January. I had a fever, (which didn't go much over 100) and a severe dry cough that lasted for about a week. No other symptoms, no respiratory distress, and it only lasted a week and half, so I'm not sure. But I can't recall coughing as much as I did then when I've been sick before.
On the tail end of that, I also had a vasovagal fainting incident which had never happened to me before. That was goddamn scary, I coughed hard, my head felt *really* weird, and the first thing that came to mind was "Oh fuck, brain aneurysm". I was 100% sure I only had a few seconds left, staggered into the living room for some reason, was plunged straight into a panic attack, staggered into my room where I have a xanax, and then passed out with my hand in my nightstand drawer as I fumbled around trying to find it. I came to soaked with sweat and still having a panic attack with my wife very concerned. That really messed me up for a while.
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Re: Viral outbreak in China [Re: ZenZone] 1
#26612618 - 04/19/20 10:24 AM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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morrowasted said: https://vitamindwiki.com/Critical+COVID-19+was+19X+more+likely+if+low+vitamin+D+%E2%80%93+April+15%2C+2020
Info about supplementing vitamin d for covid
Nice find! Thanks for sharing. And that's just Vitamin D! I wondered many times during this "crisis" why on earth would we not measure serum vitD level in the hospitalized. Mind as well measure Zinc and Selenium levels. I'm pretty sure we could have cornered this virus by now.
Note that the vitamin d levels may be a reflection of covid19 severity rather than a primary contributor. With septic shock the liver, which stores vitamin d, and the kidneys, which make vitamin d, progressively fail. The infection may also cause a "drain" of vitamin d in order to stimulate steroid synthesis in response to systemic vasodilation. Nevertheless supplementation may be good to build a reserve
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Re: Viral outbreak in China [Re: morrowasted] 1
#26612728 - 04/19/20 11:14 AM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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I hope lots of people don't start taking massive doses of vitamin D and cause a shortage.
Years ago when they found out I had liver disease and a severe vitamin deficiency I was put on 50,000iu per day for 2 weeks. Been on 2,000iu since.
I feel it if I don't take it for a couple days. Generally in the form of pain and weakness.
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Checking the livers of dead covid patients for vitamin d levels would provide useful information about pathophysiology
Also when checking serum vitamin d levels they check the levels of the prehormone D produced by the liver. Checking levels of calcitriol, the active hormone, would give information about the relative contributions of liver and kidney failure to disease outcome
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Re: Viral outbreak in China [Re: morrowasted] 3
#26612754 - 04/19/20 11:28 AM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Also looking at the total dataset to see the relationship between D levels and hypertension, ckd, liver disease, and diabetes would allow us to extrapolate which is the primary contributor to outcomes. I suspect the patho is this
Free iron accumulation + cytokine storm -> liver failure -> decreased previtamin d + dic
sirs + dic -> kidney failure + reduced previtamin d -> htn + reduced calitriol -> lymphopenia (maybe??)
But most mortality is directly related to refractory shock related to metabolic acidosis (usually seen in diabetics and renal failure) and PE/MI (usually seen with heart disease and renal failure)
All speculation gents eat a massive grain of salt after reading this
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CookieCrumbs said: I hope lots of people don't start taking massive doses of vitamin D and cause a shortage.
Years ago when they found out I had liver disease and a severe vitamin deficiency I was put on 50,000iu per day for 2 weeks. Been on 2,000iu since.
I feel it if I don't take it for a couple days. Generally in the form of pain and weakness.

...I feel attacked.

I am chronically low on vit D, though, I was supposed to be taking 5,000 iu a day but I've only started doing it recently after I started seeing mention of it in relation to COVID. I'm also taking fish oil, and my mom is very gently trying to get me to lay off the sunscreen for just a little bit(just so I can get a little bit of actual sun exposure when I'm outside and it's not super overcast and cloudy), but old habits die hard. And also, wrinkles.
I think taking massive doses of vitamin D for a prolonged period of time - if you're not directed by a doctor to do so for a certain reason such as yours - is associated with it's own health risks. So I'm sure there's some people out there who are probably going to end up doing more harm to themselves than anything.
Might be a good time to have an extra bottle in the cabinet though, for yourself, cookie.
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Fortunately I do have a spare cuz I accidentally bought a bottle of 5,000iu last time I got it.
Vitamin deficiency is real and it's no joke on your body. I'm sure the market could handle a semi-small uptick in people supplementing vitamins as they should (or as they're encouraged to by xyz marketing) but if lots and lots of people start taking 10,000iu every day...
I did notice the D and C were quite low on the shelf the last time I looked (as well as emergen-c type things being totally gone) but hopefully most of the people buying that stuff don't really know what they're buying it for and get tired of taking another pill every day when they aren't accountable to their doctor about it.
That being said I think D supplements should be a normal part of fortifying. Somewhere between 42% and 70% of Americans are deficient.
So it wouldn't surprise me that Morrowasted is right about it being linked to alot of the diseases that Americans tend to get.
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Re: Viral outbreak in China - 2020 Pandemic Global Fallout [Re: koods] 1
#26612825 - 04/19/20 11:54 AM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Fuck, that's just so fucked up 
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Re: Viral outbreak in China [Re: morrowasted] 1
#26612939 - 04/19/20 12:37 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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morrowasted said: minerals and vitamins are two different things
maybe some vitamins deplete certain other vitamins and minerals but megadoses of vitamins are in fact used for deficiencies. megadoses of minerals are not. you can kill someone very quickly by megadosing them with potassium or sodium but I'm not aware of any vitamins that have such adverse effects when megadosed
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I didnt post anything deadly, was just trying to suggest you have to take certain minerals with other minerals to prevent deficiencies cause I thought vitamins might be the same way
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Re: Viral outbreak in China [Re: gopher]
#26612978 - 04/19/20 12:53 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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ok but its just hard to believe ur still alive
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Re: Viral outbreak in China [Re: Near Dylan]
#26613016 - 04/19/20 01:19 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Near Dylan said: DISCLAIMER: DO NOT MEGADOSE VITAMINS. IT DOESNT WORK LIKE THAT AND IT WILL JUST CREATE OTHER VITAMIN DEFICIENCIES IN YOUR BODY.
In school they told me you can take 9000 international units of vitamin D every single day safely.
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Re: Viral outbreak in China [Re: Asante]
#26613017 - 04/19/20 01:20 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Near Dylan said: DISCLAIMER: DO NOT MEGADOSE VITAMINS. IT DOESNT WORK LIKE THAT AND IT WILL JUST CREATE OTHER VITAMIN DEFICIENCIES IN YOUR BODY.
Funny, thats how doctors treat Vitamin D deficiency.
I would assume that he wasn't directing that advice at people suffering from Vitamin D deficiency, and more as some sort of an attempt at fighting off Covid 19 and the health effects of it.
I repeat, do not start megadosing Vitamin D. For so many reasons....
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Re: Viral outbreak in China [Re: BANANA.MAN]
#26613021 - 04/19/20 01:22 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Near Dylan said: DISCLAIMER: DO NOT MEGADOSE VITAMINS. IT DOESNT WORK LIKE THAT AND IT WILL JUST CREATE OTHER VITAMIN DEFICIENCIES IN YOUR BODY.
In school they told me you can take 9000 international units of vitamin D every single day safely.
Safely as in you won't die or get ill but it would almost certainly lead to defeciencies in B12 and other vitamins that are comparably as essential as Vitamin D. Mostly it's just really unnecessary to do as an out-the-ass counter measure during a national crisis that involves vitamin shortages lmao.
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Re: Viral outbreak in China [Re: Near Dylan]
#26613036 - 04/19/20 01:32 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Near Dylan said:
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Near Dylan said: DISCLAIMER: DO NOT MEGADOSE VITAMINS. IT DOESNT WORK LIKE THAT AND IT WILL JUST CREATE OTHER VITAMIN DEFICIENCIES IN YOUR BODY.
In school they told me you can take 9000 international units of vitamin D every single day safely.
Safely as in you won't die or get ill but it would almost certainly lead to defeciencies in B12 and other vitamins that are comparably as essential as Vitamin D. Mostly it's just really unnecessary to do as an out-the-ass counter measure during a national crisis that involves vitamin shortages lmao.
I doubt my nutrition teacher in college would refer to something that causes a b12 deficiency as safe.
healthy individuals have taken up to 10 000 IU daily without ill effect.
I'm not saying its a good idea. im just saying vitamin D is surprisingly safe compared to other fat soluable vitamins.
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Re: Viral outbreak in China [Re: BANANA.MAN]
#26613090 - 04/19/20 02:13 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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I can't recall now in which study I read that the protective effects of VitD starts around 50ng/ml. My levels were measured in September, so just about when your levels should be naturally up/highest. Also, by that time, I had been taking 5000IU religiously daily for over 6 months and I still didn't hit 50ng/ml. I got close tho.
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Re: Viral outbreak in China [Re: ZenZone]
#26613182 - 04/19/20 03:16 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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If anyone wants to melt their brain Aajonus Vonderplanitz view on viruses
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