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Re: Viral outbreak in China [COVID 19 aka. SARS-CoV-2 aka "Wuhan Coronavirus"] [Re: cannabinated]
#26501490 - 02/24/20 12:46 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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This is serious. Take heed, it is just a flu or Sars. We don't research anything. TexMex. sarcastically called it the next global catastrophe. Let us rely on his scientific knowledge.
It would be a blessing if their was a virous that would kill off idiots like him. But somehow, it doesn't distinguish.
Watched a clip on South Korea and what they are doing, but hey, America is all their is. Yeah, really it is not. I am coming for you Jesus!
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Re: Viral outbreak in China [COVID 19 aka. SARS-CoV-2 aka "Wuhan Coronavirus"] [Re: Northerner] 2
#26501549 - 02/24/20 01:14 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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Northerner said: If the whole world got it and 5% of the population died it's little more than a small setback for the massive plague that is the human race.
Big picture.
you're talking about 390 million people dying. That would be an immediate death count akin to that of a global nuclar war.
You talk about 1 in 20 people in the whole world dying like its a trifle.
These people had lives, families, social networks, occupations that relied on them.
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World War II was the deadliest military conflict in history.An estimated total of 70-85 million people perished, which was about 3% of the 1940 world population (est. 2.3 billion).
Was that a trifle?
You imagine featureless figures vanishing, but there's a whole lot more to it.
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Re: Viral outbreak in China [COVID 19 aka. SARS-CoV-2 aka "Wuhan Coronavirus"] [Re: Asante] 1
#26501555 - 02/24/20 01:17 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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a lot of them will be medical professionals
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Re: Viral outbreak in China [COVID 19 aka. SARS-CoV-2 aka "Wuhan Coronavirus"] [Re: Asante]
#26501572 - 02/24/20 01:24 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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Re: Viral outbreak in China [COVID 19 aka. SARS-CoV-2 aka "Wuhan Coronavirus"] [Re: Asante] 1
#26501602 - 02/24/20 01:38 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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IF THIS BECOMES A PANDEMIC
thats a hypothetical..
Much of society will close down. Public events cancelled, kids pulled out of school, large areas under quarantine so traffic paralysis. Ports closing, economic activity screeching to a halt, domestic millitary deployment..
sci fi? All this is happening right now in much of China.
China is fighting this in ways our lamesauce countries couldnt ever, with the radical exacutive decisiveness of a dictatorship, and still its getting way out of hand there.
COVID-19 is a coronavirus, a form of the common cold. The common cold is highly contageous and almost always spreads far and wide. This is a form of common cold where 20% needs hospitalization, 5% needs life support and perhaps 2.5% still dont make it.
IF THIS BECOMES A PANDEMIC
thats a hypothetical..
Prepare to see the inside of your house a whole lot of the time. If you get it, the hospitals are overwhelmed so no life support for you if you need it.
Stop chilling like the frog in the heating water of the cooking pot pretending there is nothing amiss.
The least you can do is have supplies for 2 weeks to a month so that IF you fell ill and your home becomes a quarantine zone with your family in it, you got what it takes. You can't order pizza with near-ventilator level pneumonia. Domino's will be closed anyway because like fuck are they going to deliver to dozens of sick people a shift.
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Re: Viral outbreak in China [COVID 19 aka. SARS-CoV-2 aka "Wuhan Coronavirus"] [Re: Asante]
#26501718 - 02/24/20 02:58 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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China is the reason it got so bad. The chinese government was arresting people for "spreading hoaxes" (raising awareness) about coronavirus.
It shouldnt have reached this point. If it had started in a country that wasnt so awful and tyrannical then maybe it wouldnt have reached this point.
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Re: Viral outbreak in China [COVID 19 aka. SARS-CoV-2 aka "Wuhan Coronavirus"] [Re: Asante]
#26501855 - 02/24/20 04:22 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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Asante said:
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Northerner said: If the whole world got it and 5% of the population died it's little more than a small setback for the massive plague that is the human race.
Big picture.
you're talking about 390 million people dying. That would be an immediate death count akin to that of a global nuclar war.
You talk about 1 in 20 people in the whole world dying like its a trifle.
These people had lives, families, social networks, occupations that relied on them.
I don't think you understand plague dynamics very well. They massive body count at the end is inevitable. It's not if disease and food shortage kills a significant percentage of us, it's when.
I know it's not very nice, but no one promised reality would be nice.
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Re: Viral outbreak in China [COVID 19 aka. SARS-CoV-2 aka "Wuhan Coronavirus"] [Re: Northerner]
#26501884 - 02/24/20 04:36 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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We should not read the reported mortality rates as anywhere near accurate for the disease. The actual mortality rate of this disease is probably way way lower in since there's probably 1000 more people infected for every 1 they report
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Asante said: COVID-19 is a coronavirus, a form of the common cold. The common cold is highly contageous and almost always spreads far and wide. This is a form of common cold where 20% needs hospitalization, 5% needs life support and perhaps 2.5% still dont make it.
Theres no chance these numbers are anywhere near valid
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Re: Viral outbreak in China [COVID 19 aka. SARS-CoV-2 aka "Wuhan Coronavirus"] [Re: trees]
#26501938 - 02/24/20 05:03 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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Fear mongering. What about Ebola, sars, swine flu, bird flu...aids etc... Well I guess if I get it I’d think differently.
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Re: Viral outbreak in China [COVID 19 aka. SARS-CoV-2 aka "Wuhan Coronavirus"] [Re: Northerner] 10
#26501950 - 02/24/20 05:09 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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Why This Will Be a Pandemic and Why You Shouldn't Freak Out:
I have always been OBSESSED with viruses and diseases in general. If past lives exist, I almost certainly died of some plague. Everyone while some disease comes around that causes mass panic, SARS, Swine Flu, Zika, Ebola. Through those events, I'm generally fairly cautious but tell people that the threat is overblown. This case is different and I didn't make that call until quite recently. What sets CoVid-19 apart is it's astronomical level of infectivity, it's damaging treatment and it's Spanish Flu-esque kill method. The numbers from Chinese are suspicious and even those numbers alone can give us a strong indication of the full scale of what we're facing. The quarantined Diamond Princess cruise ship gave us the information to get a better understanding and the data is frightening. The cruise ship had 3,700 guests. Once CoVid-19 was found onboard, the ship was put on lockdown and so guests were quarantined within the ship itself in addition to being quarantined from the outside world. With something like Ebola, we might expect upwards of 50 cases onboard. CoVid-19 performs at common cold levels with an astonishing 691 of the 3,700 passengers contracting the illness. This means, that while actively protecting against the illness, around 1 in 6 passengers became sick. It is this unbelievable infectivity that will make the illness near-impossible to contain. Now, luckily, the death rate for CoVid-19 is quite low at around 1-2%. This may seem utterly insignificant but that's still 1 in 100 and when 100 million are infected, that is a lot of death. What is frightening is that this death rate is for those on their first infection. Unfortunately, CoVid-19 is frequently reinfecting patients and on the second infection the death rate is as high as 20%! Now, you may ask why the death rate is so much higher on the second pass. It is not due to the illness itself, but due to the treatment of the illness. The treatment weakens defenses and so in events when someone is reinfected, if treated in the past, the death rate is jumping into Ebola territory. Lastly, what is so special about CoVid-19 is how it is killing. It is killing like SARS was but due to the aforementioned factors, it is far more dangerous. This kill method is by secondary infection and is the same method that the Spanish Flu, the deadliest pandemic in human history, used. The initial infection only kills off the weakest, but due to the way it reproduces deep in the lungs, CoVid-19 causes pneumonia and potentially ARDS (essentially a total and rapid collapse of lung function). In a terrifying case with an autopsy from China, a sufferer went to hospital and showed decreasing oxygen levels due to Pneumonia. The levels began to increase near 95% until in the course of 12 hours he suddenly went downhill and his levels dropped to 60% before he succumbed to heart failure. To reiterate, this was 12 hours when they were already seeing consistent improvements. So, why am I saying "don't freak out"? As was already mentioned, the death rate is a mere 1%. This means that the great majority who contract it won't even need medical treatment. That little fact makes the 20% death on reinfection rate, a lot less scary. On the topic of it killing like Spanish Flu, by secondary infection, this is true, but unlike Spanish Flu, it doesn't use the body's immune system against itself. Spanish Flu killed the young and strong because death came due to a strong immune system, CoVid-19 does not do the same. Even further, one study is showing that children don't seem as susceptible as adults, meaning the only real at-risk populations are the sickly and the elderly. This is not to say that their lives don't matter, but the bulk of civilization is not at major risk. Finally, let me discuss what will likely happen in the next few years. As we move into the warmer months, CoVid-19 will fly under the radar but it will still be getting a foothold in the US and the rest of the West. It will be next winter that we see its full resurgence. Fear will cause economic slowing but, on the whole, there will certainly be no societal breakdown. Something like the Black Death (killed typically between 10-50%) completely changed society, but with such a low death rate we won't see the same with CoVid-19. Further, society is well-prepared and well-aware of the threat which will greatly reduce its impact. All-in-all, CoVid-19 is dangerous and will likely become a pandemic BUT, it won't destroy society and doesn't pose a major threat to most of the people reading this.
I hope you all like the essay. I am obsessed and really wanted to write it.
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Re: Viral outbreak in China [COVID 19 aka. SARS-CoV-2 aka "Wuhan Coronavirus"] [Re: Darwin23]
#26502193 - 02/24/20 07:35 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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Omg, Becky look at that post, it's like so big. Ya, and it has indentions and line-breaks so I can actually read it. When will Covid-20 get here? That's all I'm saying...
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Re: Viral outbreak in China [COVID 19 aka. SARS-CoV-2 aka "Wuhan Coronavirus"] [Re: Darwin23] 1
#26502533 - 02/25/20 02:37 AM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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Very good post Darwin! Sober perspectives.
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Re: Viral outbreak in China [COVID 19 aka. SARS-CoV-2 aka "Wuhan Coronavirus"] [Re: Malkuthian] 3
#26503002 - 02/25/20 11:33 AM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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Iran´s deputy health minister, hours before officialy being diagnosed with Corona
https://twitter.com/BNODesk/status/1232276183305400320
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Re: Viral outbreak in China [COVID 19 aka. SARS-CoV-2 aka "Wuhan Coronavirus"] [Re: tomnl]
#26504065 - 02/25/20 09:00 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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tomnl said: Iran´s deputy health minister, hours before officialy being diagnosed with Corona
https://twitter.com/BNODesk/status/1232276183305400320
Greets Tom
I just saw this. This definitely alarmed me. I am going to start prepping tomorrow. Gonna buy a bunch of rice and beans, masks, some general use drugs for headache, fever, cough. What are some other good wet foods I can prep with that will last a while in a can or somethin'?
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Re: Viral outbreak in China [COVID 19 aka. SARS-CoV-2 aka "Wuhan Coronavirus"] [Re: lifeiswhatyoumake] 1
#26504210 - 02/25/20 11:22 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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pickled anything. beets are good. eggs are delicious.
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Re: Viral outbreak in China [COVID 19 aka. SARS-CoV-2 aka "Wuhan Coronavirus"] [Re: ballsalsa] 6
#26504428 - 02/26/20 06:55 AM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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Meanwhile, near the dutch border. Is that you Asante? 

Greets Tom
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Re: Viral outbreak in China [COVID 19 aka. SARS-CoV-2 aka "Wuhan Coronavirus"] [Re: tomnl] 2
#26504556 - 02/26/20 09:18 AM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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“San Francisco declares state of emergency over Coronavirus”
^ a headline I just saw.
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Re: Viral outbreak in China [COVID 19 aka. SARS-CoV-2 aka "Wuhan Coronavirus"] [Re: Amanita86]
#26504577 - 02/26/20 09:39 AM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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what will the libertarians and conspiracy theorists make of this. The words 'field' and 'day' come to mind.
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Re: Viral outbreak in China [COVID 19 aka. SARS-CoV-2 aka "Wuhan Coronavirus"] [Re: tomnl]
#26504617 - 02/26/20 10:16 AM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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tomnl said: Meanwhile, near the dutch border. Is that you Asante? 

Greets Tom
How will he get get back inside his house without bringing the virus in? His attempts to avoid infection are futile!
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Re: Viral outbreak in China [COVID 19 aka. SARS-CoV-2 aka "Wuhan Coronavirus"] [Re: tomnl] 2
#26504692 - 02/26/20 11:22 AM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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tomnl said: Meanwhile, near the dutch border. Is that you Asante? 

Greets Tom
If it were me there would be a second trolley devoted to oatmeal for congealment purposes 
I bet that guy can tell you a thing or two about Illuminati Conspiracies that you WOULD SIMPLY NOT BELIEVE
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