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Re: Viral outbreak in China [Re: morrowasted]
    #26606374 - 04/16/20 06:09 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

They should have been requiring masks on public transit 6 weeks ago.


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Re: Viral outbreak in China [Re: Niffla]
    #26606382 - 04/16/20 06:11 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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Like I said locking down while we were gathering information wasnt nessecarily a bad move. but refusing to look at the new data objectively as they come in and just assuming everyone who disagrees with you doesnt care about people dying or doesnt have legitimate concerns is not a smart move.

Its clear that the information we started this lockdown with is outdated. so its not unreasonable at all to suggest we recalibrate by atleast looking at things objectively.




Freaking great post, sir.




What information is outdated? It seems like the lockdown worked okay, not great, but okay. If we didn't lock down then we would be way worse. If we get unlocked now then things will be just as bad, or worse because more people are infected now. Am I right? Just look at the Bay Area vs. New York. IMO we need mass testing before we can feel safe enough to go out and go back to working closely with other people. Recalibrating and unlocking in steps would be great, but how do we do that without a leader, tests, and a plan?


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Re: Viral outbreak in China [Re: Lophosaurus] * 3
    #26606437 - 04/16/20 06:39 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

The weirdness of the situation is that the more shutting things down flattens the curve, the less dangerous it makes the virus look, therefore making it look like shutting things down is an overreaction.


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Re: Viral outbreak in China [Re: cannabinated] * 1
    #26606438 - 04/16/20 06:40 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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they extended the lockdown and required everyone to wear masks in NYC public transit today




Dallas just announced that it will be mandatory to wear masks in public starting Saturday

I've been wearing mine this past week (I finally got a stash of masks)


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Re: Viral outbreak in China [Re: morrowasted] * 4
    #26606449 - 04/16/20 06:45 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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It is crazy to me that i still havent been offered a test




Meanwhile, every resident on Miami's Fisher Island got a test.  Why?  Because they're rich.  You have to pay $250K to some kind of fund just to move there, plus $25K a year, and each condo goes for $2M-$3M...at least the "cheap" ones.

https://abcnews.go.com/US/florida-island-wealthy-coronavirus-antibody-test/story?id=70164461

Why people in our position (non-mansion dwellers who have regular jobs) still defend the rich is beyond me.

If this doesn't outrage the living fucking shit out of you, you're not paying attention.


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Re: Viral outbreak in China [Re: ShroomerInTheRye]
    #26606455 - 04/16/20 06:48 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

I heard about celebrities in LA getting antibody tests done just because they're bored.

But healthcare workers can't


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Re: Viral outbreak in China [Re: morrowasted]
    #26606457 - 04/16/20 06:49 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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We initially thought we would have a vast shortage.



you are still dodging the question. The shortage predictions were based on the ventilation rates at the time of model creation, which were higher than they are now and the fact that they were averaging models based on various assumptions related to effect if social distancing on disease transmission.


The fact that we have enough ventilators is a reflection partially of the fact that social distancing measures worked, partially of the fact that thousands of ventilators were created, and partially of the fact that doctors realized they were being overused for covid19.

Finally, treating ventilator availability as a solution is... just wrong. I believe it still the case that well over half of covid patients put on a ventilator die anyway.

People are still getting sick though. A lot more would have gotten sick if we hadnt done this. The disease will create a massive healthcare burden in the future due to chronic disease related to organ damage and that is just impossible to quantify yet. A lot more will get sick if we arent careful about how we reopen.

But no the country should not stay closed minute longer than absolutely necessary



The claim I made was that new york has not been over run. and when challenged I said Cuomo himself said that nobody who needed treatment has gone without it. I didnt dodge anything I said new york has not been over run. I responded to your question which was "why  do you think that is the case" in response to my claim. I'm happy to talk to you and share our concerns like for example your suggestion that social distancing may have played a role in why things played out this way, but lets not get passive aggressive and dishonestly characterize each other. I didnt dodge anything I responded to your question and you brought up additional concerns.

Which are

a)Without shut downs New York may have been over run.

b) having enough ventilators isnt a solution

a) 1.Pretty much everyone at this point thinks that the number of cases is under reported. until we have random testing and widely available antibody tests we wont know how close we are to herd immunity. If we employ these techniques instead of relying on the testing of people who sought medical council we may have some new data to go on and we may discover that the best strategy going forward would be to section off those at risk while letting those with the least risk go out. if it turns out that up potentially over three quarters of people are asymptomatic and remain that way for the duration of the infection, and 30-40% of New York has already been infected then herd immunity may be closer than a vaccine which would allow us to get this under control faster and save those at high risk. But herd immunity has become sort of a dirty phrase.

In short, random testing will provide better data than our outdated, incorrect data that we based our action on. People need to be provided with an explanation based on solid data if this is to continue and we need to be willing to react based on new data as it comes in.

2. Its not like we either stay closed and nobody works or we reopen and everyone starts gathering and crowds and coughing on each other. there are plenty of things we could do with an open economy such as enforcing capacities in businesses, wearing masks, having certain people asses their own level of risk and isolating based on that, making antibody tests widely available (And I have been led to believe they will be widely available soon) so that people who are immune know it. and so on and so forth. we can still slow the spread without making a huge chunk of the population unemployed.

b) Well the limited availability of hospital beds and ventilators was a huge driving force in initiating these lock downs. so if those arent the reasons anymore then people are going to need some new data and a new official plan showing what exactly our strategy is with shutting down. Like I said I'm willing to go along with this while we are gathering data but people arent going to wait around for an explanation forever, especially when people are just writing them off as uncaring for having some concerns.


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Re: Viral outbreak in China [Re: Niffla] * 3
    #26606460 - 04/16/20 06:50 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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cannabinated said:
they extended the lockdown and required everyone to wear masks in NYC public transit today




Dallas just announced that it will be mandatory to wear masks in public starting Saturday

I've been wearing mine this past week (I finally got a stash of masks)




I ordered masks early because this thread gave me the fear. I think I probably said something stupid early in thread about it being the just the flu and calling you all prepper weirdos but it didn't take long to get the fear. Away I bought hand sanitizer before the panic hoarding too because of this thread.


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Re: Viral outbreak in China [Re: ShroomerInTheRye] * 2
    #26606463 - 04/16/20 06:51 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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Meanwhile, every resident on Miami's Fisher Island got a test.  Why?  Because they're rich.  You have to pay $250K to some kind of fund just to move there, plus $25K a year, and each condo goes for $2M-$3M...at least the "cheap" ones.

https://abcnews.go.com/US/florida-island-wealthy-coronavirus-antibody-test/story?id=70164461

Why people in our position (non-mansion dwellers who have regular jobs) still defend the rich is beyond me.

If this doesn't outrage the living fucking shit out of you, you're not paying attention.





But there's an unlimited amount of money!  What wrong with everyone eating all the icecream when there's a bottomless bucket of icecream??

:blowmybrainsout:


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Re: Viral outbreak in China [Re: feevers]
    #26606466 - 04/16/20 06:52 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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feevers said:
The weirdness of the situation is that the more shutting things down flattens the curve, the less dangerous it makes the virus look, therefore making it look like shutting things down is an overreaction.




I'm not under the impression that the virus isn't dangerous. And shutting things down was the right thing to do. It had to be done at the time.

I'm not even for reopening right now (like at this very second or even at the end of the month), and when I say "reopen", I mean extremely carefully with strict measures in place and in areas/cities/regions that are in a position to do so. But in the coming months there has to be somewhere to meet in the middle. An absolute ton of people are in really bad shape right now and a seemingly infinite number of small businesses are facing the death of their businesses as we speak. Now I'm not saying their businesses and finances are worth death, and like it was said above it truly is a pick your poison situation.

But getting things, at some point sooner rather than later, opened back up but SLOWLY and VERY CAREFULLY is going to be needed. Maybe not for me or you or others here perhaps, but for those people and their families. And the people that are employed by them.

Businesses will still be making a fraction than they were but it may be enough to buy them some time and keep them alive.


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Re: Viral outbreak in China [Re: ShroomerInTheRye] * 3
    #26606469 - 04/16/20 06:53 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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morrowasted said:
It is crazy to me that i still havent been offered a test




Meanwhile, every resident on Miami's Fisher Island got a test.  Why?  Because they're rich.  You have to pay $250K to some kind of fund just to move there, plus $25K a year, and each condo goes for $2M-$3M...at least the "cheap" ones.

https://abcnews.go.com/US/florida-island-wealthy-coronavirus-antibody-test/story?id=70164461

Why people in our position (non-mansion dwellers who have regular jobs) still defend the rich is beyond me.

If this doesn't outrage the living fucking shit out of you, you're not paying attention.



i'm stuck halfway between between outrage and delirium. my first impulse was honestly to laugh. it's not even like a personal grudge thing. the hospital I work for literally knows for a fact that I have been exposed to a covid19 positive patient without PPE and a month later I still have never been offered at test. it would be SMART to test me, even if they dont give a shit about ME. because, you know, asymptomaptic people can spread the virus and I work with sick people. but hey what do I know I'm just a patient flipping peon. at this point I've become so resigned to how dumb the situation is that the fucked up shit is starting to just make me laugh. gallows sense of humor is not a good sign


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Re: Viral outbreak in China [Re: feevers] * 1
    #26606473 - 04/16/20 06:54 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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I heard about celebrities in LA getting antibody tests done just because they're bored.

But healthcare workers can't




I still can't get past the freaking tiger at the Bronx Zoo getting a test.

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Re: Viral outbreak in China [Re: Niffla] * 3
    #26606477 - 04/16/20 07:00 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Agreed. When and how are the tough questions, there are so many variables. Re-opening on a state by state level isn't great because states can't really close their borders. That's why I like what a couple groups of states are doing currently and basically saying fuck the federal government, and teaming up with their neighbors to bring in the best scientists and econonists to figure things out for what's best for them and their neighbor states.


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Re: Viral outbreak in China [Re: viraldrome] * 1
    #26606479 - 04/16/20 07:00 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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Niffla said:
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they extended the lockdown and required everyone to wear masks in NYC public transit today




Dallas just announced that it will be mandatory to wear masks in public starting Saturday

I've been wearing mine this past week (I finally got a stash of masks)




I ordered masks early because this thread gave me the fear. I think I probably said something stupid early in thread about it being the just the flu and calling you all prepper weirdos but it didn't take long to get the fear. Away I bought hand sanitizer before the panic hoarding too because of this thread.




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Re: Viral outbreak in China [Re: Niffla] * 2
    #26606489 - 04/16/20 07:05 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Not sure if this info was posted already.

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The Navy’s testing of the entire 4,800-member crew of the aircraft carrier - which is about 94% complete - was an extraordinary move in a headline-grabbing case that has already led to the firing of the carrier’s captain and the resignation of the Navy’s top civilian official.

Roughly 60 percent of the over 600 sailors who tested positive so far have not shown symptoms of COVID-19, the potentially lethal respiratory disease caused by the coronavirus, the Navy says. The service did not speculate about how many might later develop symptoms or remain asymptomatic.



https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-usa-military-sympt/coronavirus-clue-most-cases-aboard-u-s-aircraft-carrier-are-symptom-free-idUSKCN21Y2GB


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Re: Viral outbreak in China [Re: psi] * 1
    #26606491 - 04/16/20 07:08 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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Not sure if this info was posted already.

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The Navy’s testing of the entire 4,800-member crew of the aircraft carrier - which is about 94% complete - was an extraordinary move in a headline-grabbing case that has already led to the firing of the carrier’s captain and the resignation of the Navy’s top civilian official.

Roughly 60 percent of the over 600 sailors who tested positive so far have not shown symptoms of COVID-19, the potentially lethal respiratory disease caused by the coronavirus, the Navy says. The service did not speculate about how many might later develop symptoms or remain asymptomatic.



https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-usa-military-sympt/coronavirus-clue-most-cases-aboard-u-s-aircraft-carrier-are-symptom-free-idUSKCN21Y2GB




I can't really believe a word coming off that ship after all the covering up that went on.

But I saw similar numbers elsewhere, I think Iceland. Definitely promising if true.


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    #26606495 - 04/16/20 07:10 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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psi said:
Not sure if this info was posted already.

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The Navy’s testing of the entire 4,800-member crew of the aircraft carrier - which is about 94% complete - was an extraordinary move in a headline-grabbing case that has already led to the firing of the carrier’s captain and the resignation of the Navy’s top civilian official.

Roughly 60 percent of the over 600 sailors who tested positive so far have not shown symptoms of COVID-19, the potentially lethal respiratory disease caused by the coronavirus, the Navy says. The service did not speculate about how many might later develop symptoms or remain asymptomatic.



https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-usa-military-sympt/coronavirus-clue-most-cases-aboard-u-s-aircraft-carrier-are-symptom-free-idUSKCN21Y2GB




Wtf, man. That is just insane. It still just boggles my mind how one can have this virus and have zero symptoms. Yet for others it's a death sentence.


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    #26606539 - 04/16/20 07:40 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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Wtf, man. That is just insane. It still just boggles my mind how one can have this virus and have zero symptoms. Yet for others it's a death sentence.




What if it IS INDEED directly correlates the individual's vitamin D, Zinc and Selenium levels? What if all we needed is elevated levels of vitamins and minerals to fight this virus out of this world? I think it's totally possible. But nobody cares. :shrug:


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Re: Viral outbreak in China [Re: Niffla]
    #26606559 - 04/16/20 07:48 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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Looks like Vegas done had enough and needs them slot machines up and running again

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Las Vegas Mayor Carolyn Goodman called the closing of nonessential businesses in Nevada "total insanity" during a city council meeting on Wednesday, and pushed for state officials to speed up the recovery process before it's too late.

"This shutdown has become one of total insanity in my opinion," she said. "For there is no backup of data as to why we are shut down from the start. No plan in place, how to move through the shutdown or how even to come out of it."

"Our entire tourism and convention industry business has been shut down. It makes no sense. It makes no sense," she continued. "From my perspective, we must open our city. We must open Southern Nevada, and we must open the state of Nevada."

Goodman claimed people are capable of abiding by strict sanitary standards and should be allowed to return to work so they can begin rebuilding their lives.

"We cannot keep our heads in the sand, and think it's going to go away. We're adults with brains who can know what to do, to wash our hands, to take all precautions not to spread this disease," she explained.

"The longer we wait to do this, the more impossible it will become to recover and return to the home we all know and love," she added.









Vegas is dead af either way. Everything about it is a fucking Petri dish. You can’t just open up and pretend the problem is over. It’s a permanent hot spot by the nature of what it is. In a few months when the denial is really over and everyone has lost loved ones if Vegas opens even neighboring states wont let people in from Nevada. No country is going to allow tourism to Nevada. It’s a nasty ass monument to capitalism at its worse. It’s ecologically unsustainable having a big city in the desert. It’s dead and good riddance. LOL @ The Raiders btw.


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Re: Viral outbreak in China [Re: morrowasted] * 2
    #26606581 - 04/16/20 07:59 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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hey what do I know I'm just a patient flipping peon




You're more than just a patient flipping peon, my friend.  You're essential expendable.


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