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Re: Viral outbreak in China - Coronavirus 2020 [Re: Eminence]
    #26595989 - 04/12/20 03:17 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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The craziest one (probably) that I saw was a Chinese person on that video with Van Jones telling black people to take more precautions because they're being effected at a higher rate, saying that America is intentionally killing blacks and Asians. That's something I could see people on this site saying too though :lol:





Do you have a video/source to back up your claim that Van Jones said that?


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Re: Viral outbreak in China - Coronavirus 2020 [Re: lifeiswhatyoumake]
    #26596058 - 04/12/20 03:55 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

This kind of bad info should not be spread around.  There are other factors that explain why minorities are being infected at higher rates than whites.

They are more likely to work food service or retail jobs which exposes them to more contact with people and
Many people working those jobs are still going to work because they are deemed essential workers


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Re: Viral outbreak in China - Coronavirus 2020 [Re: lifeiswhatyoumake]
    #26596063 - 04/12/20 03:57 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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Re: Viral outbreak in China - Coronavirus 2020 [Re: TheStallionMang]
    #26596081 - 04/12/20 04:08 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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This kind of bad info should not be spread around.  There are other factors that explain why minorities are being infected at higher rates than whites.

They are more likely to work food service or retail jobs which exposes them to more contact with people and
Many people working those jobs are still going to work because they are deemed essential workers





It might not be totally bad info.
I've been reading that vitamin D might play an important factor in an individual fighting off the COVID19 virus.
Lighter skin people can create vitamin D in sunlight much faster than dark skinned people, which might be protecting them more.


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Re: Viral outbreak in China - Coronavirus 2020 [Re: lowbrow] * 1
    #26596091 - 04/12/20 04:14 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

I'm so confused by the article in my newspaper from today

It claims the doctors are "baffled" by the fact that patients are dying of complications from disseminated intravascular coagulation (DIC)

First of all DIC is a well known complication of septic shock already.

I don't understand why any doctor would be surprised by the development of DIC in a severe COVID19 patient even if there WEREN'T evidence of other pathologies involving iron, liver, and the renin-angiotensin system.

You can see the evidence of coagulopathy on labs easily. Labs for determining blood clotting time are routine for long term hospital patients anyway.

Typically in a patient developing Signs of DIC will get some sort of anticoagulants and/or fibrinolytics.

And, in fact, word through the grapevine is that- locally, at least- COVID19 patients showing evidence of coagulopathy are receiving the fibrinolytic alteplase (usually along with an anticoagulant)

Furthermore, every person I interact with, nurse or doctor, IS aware of the high probability of a pathology involving heme metabolism.


The way the media writes these stories is what's "baffling" to me. Where are they finding these doctors? I feel like there is some sort of odd media filter mechanism in play when it comes to talking about the disease itself. the other thing is how weird the media hyperfocus on chloroquine. trying to give people hope in the american system? it's a weird way to do it because they chose a drug mostly produced in asia. If it were about American pride why aren't they touting our proprietary and probably safer and more effective drugs?


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Re: Viral outbreak in China - Coronavirus 2020 [Re: lifeiswhatyoumake] * 1
    #26596105 - 04/12/20 04:22 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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The craziest one (probably) that I saw was a Chinese person on that video with Van Jones telling black people to take more precautions because they're being effected at a higher rate, saying that America is intentionally killing blacks and Asians. That's something I could see people on this site saying too though :lol:





Do you have a video/source to back up your claim that Van Jones said that?




Sure. Skip to 4:00 if you want.



Kind of an odd thing to ask for sources like you might doubt it was even said though, it's not that interesting or controversial of a statement.


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Re: Viral outbreak in China - Coronavirus 2020 [Re: Eminence] * 3
    #26596121 - 04/12/20 04:31 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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The craziest one (probably) that I saw was a Chinese person on that video with Van Jones telling black people to take more precautions because they're being effected at a higher rate, saying that America is intentionally killing blacks and Asians. That's something I could see people on this site saying too though :lol:




That video puts a fine point on more reasons why there are disparities between race and infection rates but literally NOTHING was said about "America intentionally killing blacks and Asians"

Eminence, please explain your statement because so far, your statement seems completely off base, inflammatory, and unhelpful


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Re: Viral outbreak in China - Coronavirus 2020 [Re: Eminence] * 2
    #26596127 - 04/12/20 04:33 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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Eminence said:
The craziest one (probably) that I saw was a Chinese person on that video with Van Jones telling black people to take more precautions because they're being effected at a higher rate, saying that America is intentionally killing blacks and Asians. That's something I could see people on this site saying too though :lol:





Do you have a video/source to back up your claim that Van Jones said that?




Sure. Skip to 4:00 if you want.



Kind of an odd thing to ask for sources like you might doubt it was even said though, it's not that interesting or controversial of a statement.





Okay, so I watched from 4:00 onwards and I have a couple comments:

1. There was no Chinese person in the video, which you said there was in your post I quoted above.
2. Van Jones never said that America is intentionally killing black and asians.
3. All Van Jones said was that the black community has health concerns that are more common than non-blacks and that is why black people are dying at a disproportionate rate.

You don't know what you're talking about.  Stop spreading misinformation...


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Re: Viral outbreak in China - Coronavirus 2020 [Re: TheStallionMang] * 1
    #26596133 - 04/12/20 04:36 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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You can see the evidence of coagulopathy on labs easily. Labs for determining blood clotting time are routine for long term hospital patients anyway.



i should add to this that you can also see evidence of heme pathology just by drawing blood. It isnt the same darker red red you see in normal desaturated patients. It has a different viscosity and in very severe cases looks almost black. I wouldnt be surprised if this observation is what motivated that researcher to take a look at how the virus affects heme and iron. Its not like this isnt known. And the doc is in houston so i KNOW he knows whats up.  It just seems almost like they are publishing conversations from weeks ago


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Re: Viral outbreak in China - Coronavirus 2020 [Re: TheStallionMang] * 1
    #26596142 - 04/12/20 04:40 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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Eminence said:
The craziest one (probably) that I saw was a Chinese person on that video with Van Jones telling black people to take more precautions because they're being effected at a higher rate, saying that America is intentionally killing blacks and Asians. That's something I could see people on this site saying too though :lol:




That video puts a fine point on more reasons why there are disparities between race and infection rates but literally NOTHING was said about "America intentionally killing blacks and Asians"

Eminence, please explain your statement because so far, your statement seems completely off base, inflammatory, and unhelpful




The comment I replied to was about chinese comments in the comments section of the video (after mentioning the brand new Chinese YT accounts posting on these vids)..never said anything about anyone IN the video saying that.


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Re: Viral outbreak in China - Coronavirus 2020 [Re: Eminence] * 1
    #26596146 - 04/12/20 04:42 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Looks like you guys just misread my comment because you didn't realize the context of the conversation. Poor wording on my part, not misinformation.


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Re: Viral outbreak in China - Coronavirus 2020 [Re: Eminence] * 1
    #26596151 - 04/12/20 04:45 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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Eminence said:Poor wording on my part, not misinformation.





Yes, very poor wording, indeed.
And no, it is misinformation, Eminence.
I asked you to show me the source where Van Jones said America is intentionally killing blacks and Asians.
You said "sure" and posted a video. 
The video didn't back-up your claim at all.
So you're just wrong.
Stop spreading misinformation.


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Re: Viral outbreak in China - Coronavirus 2020 [Re: bodhisatta]
    #26596152 - 04/12/20 04:45 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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200+ years of voting has gotten us this far. Imagine 200 more years our president will be someone like flavor flav




to be fair, 200 more years of population and Flavor Flav will be the average US citizen

boys like him are already a dime a dozen



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Re: Viral outbreak in China - Coronavirus 2020 [Re: lifeiswhatyoumake] * 1
    #26596156 - 04/12/20 04:47 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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This kind of bad info should not be spread around.  There are other factors that explain why minorities are being infected at higher rates than whites.

They are more likely to work food service or retail jobs which exposes them to more contact with people and
Many people working those jobs are still going to work because they are deemed essential workers





It might not be totally bad info.
I've been reading that vitamin D might play an important factor in an individual fighting off the COVID19 virus.
Lighter skin people can create vitamin D in sunlight much faster than dark skinned people, which might be protecting them more.







There are definitely socio-economic factors at play too, I think.


I do hope the vitamin D thing holds some water because I've started supplementing with hella vitamin D. I have very low levels already though, so it's something I probably should've been doing forever now.


I've also started taking fish oil pills, magnesium, and tumeric, but I'm guessing it'll mostly make me feel better more than anything :grin:


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Re: Viral outbreak in China - Coronavirus 2020 [Re: Eminence] * 2
    #26596159 - 04/12/20 04:48 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

You were asked for a source and that video is what you posted.

How else was that supposed to be interpreted? (Rhetorical question BTW)

I'm not trying to get into it though, moving on


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Re: Viral outbreak in China [Re: bodhisatta]
    #26596160 - 04/12/20 04:48 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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Seems like this virus is a reminder to take your health seriously.




yeah but what does that mean in this context?
seem to recall koods linking to studies showing that the virus was harder hitting on people who exercise more proactively
because of the exercise producing vulnerable scarring on the lungs or something

how do we take our health seriously in a context that means 'too much care' is a bad thing too
obviously, people who overwork themselves and pump steroids are not the average gym bunny
but the articles were about marathon runners and stuff -- fairly common practice for all age groups


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Re: Viral outbreak in China - Coronavirus 2020 [Re: lifeiswhatyoumake] * 2
    #26596163 - 04/12/20 04:49 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Did you just +1 me, take it back, then deliberately misread what I said again? :lol:

Let me clear it up, I didn't say Van Jones said that. I was talking about brand new Chinese YT accounts posting comments under the Van Jones video, saying that America  is deliberately killing blacks and asians.


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Re: Viral outbreak in China - Coronavirus 2020 [Re: pirate-blues] * 1
    #26596167 - 04/12/20 04:51 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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This kind of bad info should not be spread around.  There are other factors that explain why minorities are being infected at higher rates than whites.

They are more likely to work food service or retail jobs which exposes them to more contact with people and
Many people working those jobs are still going to work because they are deemed essential workers





It might not be totally bad info.
I've been reading that vitamin D might play an important factor in an individual fighting off the COVID19 virus.
Lighter skin people can create vitamin D in sunlight much faster than dark skinned people, which might be protecting them more.







There are definitely socio-economic factors at play too, I think.


I do hope the vitamin D thing holds some water because I've started supplementing with hella vitamin D. I have very low levels already though, so it's something I probably should've been doing forever now.


I've also started taking fish oil pills, magnesium, and tumeric, but I'm guessing it'll mostly make me feel better more than anything :grin:




my tendency to sleep during the day and go out for summer nights has meant taking supplements for years
interestingly, Vitamin C has been sold out off the shelves for weeks, but Vitamin D just sits there
despite social distancing starting in winter months where everyone was indoors or going out covered in layers

can you take hemp seed or hemp seed oil instead of fish oil where you are?
seem to recall something about hemp seed oil having the proper ratios for the human body while fish oil has excess of one


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Re: Viral outbreak in China - Coronavirus 2020 [Re: TheStallionMang]
    #26596169 - 04/12/20 04:52 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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You were asked for a source and that video is what you posted.

How else was that supposed to be interpreted? (Rhetorical question BTW)

I'm not trying to get into it though, moving on




You guys misread what I said, and I misread what he asked. I thought he was asking for a source showing that Jones said blacks need to take more precautions because it effects them at a higher rate. That's why I said it was weird that he'd ask for a source for something so non controversial. Am I clear enough now?


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Re: Viral outbreak in China - Coronavirus 2020 [Re: Eminence] * 2
    #26596170 - 04/12/20 04:52 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Marathon running has never been healthy:shrug:


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