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Re: Viral outbreak in China - COVID 19 aka. SARS-CoV-2 aka Wuhan Coronavirus [Re: Niffla] 1
#26581652 - 04/06/20 12:41 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Re: Viral Outbreak in China - COVID-19 aka. SARS-CoV-2 aka Wuhan Coronavirus 2020 [Re: Niffla]
#26581653 - 04/06/20 12:41 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Either a national lockdown or cut off states that don’t participate.
So you think a state like Wyoming, who has yet to have a single death from covid, should shut down everything and go on full lockdown? Or Alaska, who has less than 200 confirmed cases?
Yes.
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Re: Viral outbreak in China - COVID 19 aka. SARS-CoV-2 aka Wuhan Coronavirus [Re: lifeiswhatyoumake] 1
#26581670 - 04/06/20 12:53 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Either a national lockdown or cut off states that don’t participate.
So you think a state like Wyoming, who has yet to have a single death from covid, should shut down everything and go on full lockdown? Or Alaska, who has less than 200 confirmed cases?
And what about rural small towns far away from cities that don't have a single case? Should they close the doors on their two restaurants because a city over a hundred miles away has a bunch of cases?
Not trying to start an argument here or a debate -- just genuinely wondering.
Personally I think it should be up to the state as far as lockdowns go. I mean why even have governments at the state level if we can't trust them to do the right thing?
The thing is that it only really has to hit one small community in many rural areas to completely overwhelm their medical systems and resources, which may just be one hospital or even clinic and a couple handfuls of staff in a lot of places. I believe even in the 20-40 age group, it's still an average of 1 in 5 need hospitalization, and much higher in the older age groups. It could literally take just one nursing home or church group getting infected and they could be out of ventilators, PPE, and even staff, and need to start emergency transporting people into the cities, which may already overwhelmed if the state did not have a shelter in place order. People in rural communities are also statistically more likely to have health conditions and/or be living in poverty, which seem to be large risk factors.
In theory I believe states should be able to do what they want, but people from those states are free to cross borders and infect people in states that are doing everything they can and taking an economic hit to get on top of this things. Plus states that don't shelter in place will require additional federal assistance if they do get hit hard, costing the country far more money.
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Re: Viral Outbreak in China - COVID-19 aka. SARS-CoV-2 aka Wuhan Coronavirus 2020 [Re: lifeiswhatyoumake]
#26581677 - 04/06/20 12:58 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Yes.
Well we'll agree to disagree. I think it's wrong to lockdown an entire state and to press the pause button on their entire economy when in almost 3 months of this they (Wyoming in this case) haven't seen a single death from it. I also trust that these states, who ultimately are making the final decision, know infinitely more what's better for them and their state than I or you or anyone on the federal level who lives two thousand miles away.
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Re: Viral outbreak in China - COVID 19 aka. SARS-CoV-2 aka Wuhan Coronavirus [Re: feevers]
#26581683 - 04/06/20 01:00 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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The thing is that it only really has to hit one small community in many rural areas to completely overwhelm their medical systems and resources, which may just be one hospital or even clinic and a couple handfuls of staff in a lot of places. I believe even in the 20-40 age group, it's still an average of 1 in 5 need hospitalization, and much higher in the older age groups. It could literally take just one nursing home or church group getting infected and they could be out of ventilators, PPE, and even staff, and need to start emergency transporting people into the cities, which may already overwhelmed if the state did not have a shelter in place order. People in rural communities are also statistically more likely to have health conditions and/or be living in poverty, which seem to be large risk factors.
In theory I believe states should be able to do what they want, but people from those states are free to cross borders and infect people in states that are doing everything they can and taking an economic hit to get on top of this things. Plus states that don't shelter in place will require additional federal assistance if they do get hit hard, costing the country far more money.
All good and valid points, feevers.
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Re: Viral outbreak in China - COVID 19 aka. SARS-CoV-2 aka Wuhan Coronavirus [Re: Niffla]
#26581700 - 04/06/20 01:11 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Maybe 'cos, like, vested interests.
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Re: Viral outbreak in China - COVID 19 aka. SARS-CoV-2 aka Wuhan Coronavirus [Re: feevers]
#26581701 - 04/06/20 01:11 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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TheStallionMang said: Wonder why he'd wanna do that?
Clearly the question was rhetorical, but he's obviously going to further enrich himself and his friends and flood red and swing state businesses with bribe money to better his chances of winning in November... and they'll all cheer him for doing so.
BOTH parties passed that stimulus bill and it's for the very wealthy, very little of that money is going into Main Street.
It has nothing to do with the money going to main street.
Trump has basically said he's rejecting oversight on where he and his people decide to distribute the money. If he gets his way, it's pretty obvious how it'll end up. Pump up the economies and lower the unemployment in the places where votes are needed. Blue state governors were mean to him. Save some for after he's re-elected, then funnel it to his family through back channels like increasing share prices in stocks they own.
He's not the typical politician (dem or rep) that's only really after campaign donations and a future lobbying position. He's spiteful, petty, has an election coming up and has already been told by his own party that he's above the law and unimpeachable. If you don't see that's a problem and would rather play the "what about..." game, then.. 
The money would go to big business whether it was a democrat (except maybe bernie) or Trump, but the implications of him stating that he will ignore oversight and his past business and personal decision history make the future allocation of those funds far more questionable.
No, it's not obvious that the money goes into areas of the country to benefit Trump supporters. The only thing that is obvious is that the money goes into Wall Street and companies that benefit Wall Street. Trump didn't write the 800 page "stimulus" package, corporate donors did.
Any yes, Trump is the typical sellout POS US President, no different than Clinton, Bush and Obama.
It's all a distraction, the goal is to not focus on The Elite gaining trillions as the peasants lose their homes and investments. So far, it's been working out very well.
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Re: Viral outbreak in China - COVID 19 aka. SARS-CoV-2 aka Wuhan Coronavirus [Re: Niffla]
#26581708 - 04/06/20 01:12 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Its only been a month in the states
and those animals you posted were all threatened by extinction
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Re: Viral outbreak in China - COVID 19 aka. SARS-CoV-2 aka Wuhan Coronavirus [Re: Niffla]
#26581715 - 04/06/20 01:15 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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2 cases in my 89 year old grandmother's nursing home. They've been locked down for ages now, but between the staff coming and going it was just a matter of time.
Not in her building yet, thankgod. But on the campus. Her building is for pretty severe dementia and health issues, so if and when it gets in it's not gonna look good
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Re: Viral outbreak in China - COVID 19 aka. SARS-CoV-2 aka Wuhan Coronavirus [Re: pirate-blues] 1
#26581727 - 04/06/20 01:21 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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pirate-blues said: 2 cases in my 89 year old grandmother's nursing home. They've been locked down for ages now, but between the staff coming and going it was just a matter of time.
Not in her building yet, thankgod. But on the campus. Her building is for pretty severe dementia and health issues, so if and when it gets in it's not gonna look good 
That is rough news just the same hope the existing infections prompt staff to be more aware, at least

just got off the phone with Nana, she is still pretty jovial and holding a pleasant attitude but can tell she is feeling shut in and bored does not read anymore, gave up painting when Papa died but she shines to talk to
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Re: Viral outbreak in China - COVID 19 aka. SARS-CoV-2 aka Wuhan Coronavirus [Re: cannabinated]
#26581734 - 04/06/20 01:22 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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and those animals you posted were all threatened by extinction
The first cases in the US started popping up in January. Like mid January.
And elk were threatened by extinction? Oh and those penguins (King penguins) are currently on the "least concern" species list. Bison yes, but bison didn't get on the edge of extinction because their lack of social distancing skills. They faced extinction because humans nearly hunted them off the face of the earth.
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Re: Viral Outbreak in China - COVID-19 aka. SARS-CoV-2 aka Wuhan Coronavirus 2020 [Re: Niffla] 2
#26581737 - 04/06/20 01:24 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Yes.
Well we'll agree to disagree. I think it's wrong to lockdown an entire state and to press the pause button on their entire economy when in almost 3 months of this they (Wyoming in this case) haven't seen a single death from it. I also trust that these states, who ultimately are making the final decision, know infinitely more what's better for them and their state than I or you or anyone on the federal level who lives two thousand miles away.
As of right now Wyoming has 200 confirmed cases, that's great no one has died YET but if you ignore it and don't take proper precautions they could turn into Florida or any other hard hit state. Not only that but states that are nearing their Peak could have to start all over again which makes all those people that got laid off because they're doing what's right and what's nessicary. There's a lot of people right now suffering financially so that we could all get through this as soon as possible. If the remaining five states don't issue any kind of stay-at-home order I don't think that they should get ANY of the stimulus package. They didn't sacrifice for the country, they don't take it seriously enough to enact basic protection measures AND they're a threat to every other state on lockdown and stopping the pandemic worldwide.
Niff seems like you're basing your decision on the fact that these states don't have many cases yet or any deaths yet but do you really think that that's going to stay the same if everyone is out there business-as-usual?
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Re: Viral outbreak in China - COVID 19 aka. SARS-CoV-2 aka Wuhan Coronavirus [Re: pirate-blues]
#26581743 - 04/06/20 01:25 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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pirate-blues said: 2 cases in my 89 year old grandmother's nursing home. They've been locked down for ages now, but between the staff coming and going it was just a matter of time.
Not in her building yet, thankgod. But on the campus. Her building is for pretty severe dementia and health issues, so if and when it gets in it's not gonna look good 
Damn. Hopefully they got it contained.
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Re: Viral outbreak in China - COVID 19 aka. SARS-CoV-2 aka Wuhan Coronavirus [Re: Tantrika] 1
#26581748 - 04/06/20 01:28 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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The staff have been amazing with this, and honestly she is in the best possible place she can be...except maybe with my family, but she has some pretty severe dementia, COPD, and congestive heart failure - albeit all at the beginning stages(minus the dementia that's been going strong for the past decade now), so if she gets it, I am guessing it's going to look more like hospice care than anything. Someone in her condition being intubated, alone without their family, it's just a horrible thought.
They notified everyone with an automated call, and you can just hear the exhaustion and strain in their voices. I would like to see if I can do something nice for them, at least..without exposing them to further risks like pizza delivery.
I'm glad your Nana is doing well! I'm sure she's bored to tears. You should face time her and see if she's down to play cards or something.
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Re: Viral outbreak in China - COVID 19 aka. SARS-CoV-2 aka Wuhan Coronavirus [Re: Niffla]
#26581750 - 04/06/20 01:29 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Man holding the highest office in the country, is literally a teenager stuck in an old mans body, zero honor and equal parts wisdom in the man.
Coronavirus did a good job finally exposing the grifter to the world in a way not even most hardcore trumpians can handle.
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Re: Viral outbreak in China - COVID 19 aka. SARS-CoV-2 aka Wuhan Coronavirus [Re: The Blind Ass]
#26581755 - 04/06/20 01:33 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Re: Viral outbreak in China - COVID 19 aka. SARS-CoV-2 aka Wuhan Coronavirus [Re: pirate-blues] 1
#26581759 - 04/06/20 01:34 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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pirate-blues said: ... I'm glad your Nana is doing well! I'm sure she's bored to tears. You should face time her and see if she's down to play cards or something.
She is 94 or 95 as of this coming June, and we unfortunately never got her to master computers so phone is the best option, but appreciate the suggestion
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Re: Viral outbreak in China - COVID 19 aka. SARS-CoV-2 aka Wuhan Coronavirus [Re: koods]
#26581762 - 04/06/20 01:36 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Is that some Russian guy?
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Re: Viral Outbreak in China - COVID-19 aka. SARS-CoV-2 aka Wuhan Coronavirus 2020 [Re: Seriously_trippin] 1
#26581765 - 04/06/20 01:36 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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It takes a very long time to incubate. We need to closely measure the rate of new cases to have an idea how to manage it.
and penguins and reindeer are about to be on the list
It was in my grandmas nursing home too. I hope they got rid of it and none of the workers are being dumb.
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Re: Viral outbreak in China - COVID 19 aka. SARS-CoV-2 aka Wuhan Coronavirus [Re: Crazy_Horse]
#26581766 - 04/06/20 01:36 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Prime Minister of the UK.
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