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Re: Coronavirus 2020 aka Wuhan Coronavirus aka COVID-19 [Re: vinsue] 2
#26567774 - 03/30/20 05:11 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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I coughed up yellow shit today
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Re: Coronavirus 2020 aka Wuhan Coronavirus aka COVID-19 [Re: bodhisatta]
#26567781 - 03/30/20 05:13 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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pirate-blues said: I could believe that this was an accident at a lab. Would make a lot of sense.
No it wouldn't. They know where it came from. They can follow its evolution and trace it. They did. And it didn't come from a lab
They traced it to a wet market yes? Wouldn't be the first time, won't be the last.
I meant it more in the context of believing it over the elaborate bio-weapon scheme conspiracies.
But fwiw, I would take everything and anything the Chinese government says with a massive grain of salt.
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Re: Coronavirus 2020 aka Wuhan Coronavirus aka COVID-19 [Re: PatrickKn] 1
#26567786 - 03/30/20 05:19 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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PatrickKn said: I'm on week 3 of working from home, but I think Saturday was day 1 of stay at home orders from the state.
Been doing a 3 mile run or longer hike just about everyday since starting though. Been relatively laid back for me.
Can anyone explain to a layman, as I realy don't get it, why running around outside during a semi-lockdown / social isolation scenario is ok?
I walked into town last Friday to attend a Dr's appt, and avoiding the bus due to...I was passed by a middle aged dog walker coming toward me, and then a young female jogger coming from behind on the same path within a minute of each other. Which of these two, if both were asymptomatic carriers, would be more likely to shed an infectious viral load to me as we passed?
Personaly, I feel that joggers should fuk off.
Edit. For all I know the young woman was on her way to the same Dr's surgery, and went to the same room, in which my Dr later informed me a patient before me that day had tested positive for the Corona virus.
Edited by deucedbi9 (03/30/20 05:26 PM)
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larry.fisherman
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Re: Coronavirus 2020 aka Wuhan Coronavirus aka COVID-19 [Re: bodhisatta] 2
#26567792 - 03/30/20 05:23 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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pirate-blues said: I could believe that this was an accident at a lab. Would make a lot of sense.
No it wouldn't. They know where it came from. They can follow its evolution and trace it. They did. And it didn't come from a lab
I honestly have no opinion on where it came from. I'm not one to follow a narrative when the stakes are so high. Lies are being made. Not necessarily by the average scientist, I trust them. The reason though that people can easily make claims that that governments have advancements they aren't sharing is because they've made it obvious through declassification and it's a national security risk to not have options of surprise, options for espionage/intelligence gathering. So with that I'm fairly confident there are things but a small percentage of scientists will be privy to. That includes knowledge, resources, and technology. Theres also more than one way to do things. I'm an idiot compared to some of those dudes and even I can easily gather that producing the right environment and stimulus in a subject would then produce a "natural" mutation and not one clearly engineered in a lab. Heat, microbes, stress on the system, cross and reinfection among hosts. You could totally make a virus in a lab without tinkering with it in a recognizable way. Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence
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Spicemaster said: I coughed up yellow shit today
I think that a productive cough is supposed to be a sign that you have something else aside from covid.
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Re: Coronavirus 2020 aka Wuhan Coronavirus aka COVID-19 [Re: deucedbi9] 2
#26567803 - 03/30/20 05:28 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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deucedbi9 said: Personaly, I feel that joggers should fuk off.
Shoot on sight, the infected are already dead.
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Re: Coronavirus 2020 aka Wuhan Coronavirus aka COVID-19 [Re: larry.fisherman]
#26567810 - 03/30/20 05:33 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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larry.fisherman said:
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bodhisatta said:
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pirate-blues said: I could believe that this was an accident at a lab. Would make a lot of sense.
No it wouldn't. They know where it came from. They can follow its evolution and trace it. They did. And it didn't come from a lab
I honestly have no opinion on where it came from. I'm not one to follow a narrative when the stakes are so high. Lies are being made. Not necessarily by the average scientist, I trust them. The reason though that people can easily make claims that that governments have advancements they aren't sharing is because they've made it obvious through declassification and it's a national security risk to not have options of surprise, options for espionage/intelligence gathering. So with that I'm fairly confident there are things but a small percentage of scientists will be privy to. That includes knowledge, resources, and technology. Theres also more than one way to do things. I'm an idiot compared to some of those dudes and even I can easily gather that producing the right environment and stimulus in a subject would then produce a "natural" mutation and not one clearly engineered in a lab. Heat, microbes, stress on the system, cross and reinfection among hosts. You could totally make a virus in a lab without tinkering with it in a recognizable way. Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence 
The real world is a huge lab that tinkers with trillions of copies of the virus per organism that's infected. They traced it to bat population. There is not a secret bunker of scientists smarter than the smartest making plagues for the second rate ones to figure out.
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Re: Coronavirus 2020 aka Wuhan Coronavirus aka COVID-19 [Re: deucedbi9] 4
#26567848 - 03/30/20 05:58 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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deucedbi9 said:
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PatrickKn said: I'm on week 3 of working from home, but I think Saturday was day 1 of stay at home orders from the state.
Been doing a 3 mile run or longer hike just about everyday since starting though. Been relatively laid back for me.
Can anyone explain to a layman, as I realy don't get it, why running around outside during a semi-lockdown / social isolation scenario is ok?
I walked into town last Friday to attend a Dr's appt, and avoiding the bus due to...I was passed by a middle aged dog walker coming toward me, and then a young female jogger coming from behind on the same path within a minute of each other. Which of these two, if both were asymptomatic carriers, would be more likely to shed an infectious viral load to me as we passed?
Personaly, I feel that joggers should fuk off.
Edit. For all I know the young woman was on her way to the same Dr's surgery, and went to the same room, in which my Dr later informed me a patient before me that day had tested positive for the Corona virus. 
You're at a higher risk of infecting others walking downtown than I am running where I am by the sounds of it.
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Re: Coronavirus 2020 aka Wuhan Coronavirus aka COVID-19 [Re: Crazy_Horse] 1
#26567858 - 03/30/20 06:02 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Crazy_Horse said: Why aren't you staying at home?
We’re allowed to go out and hike.
The chances of catching this outside is pretty low if you aren’t having convos with people and touching common surfaces
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Re: Coronavirus 2020 aka Wuhan Coronavirus aka COVID-19 [Re: HamHead] 1
#26567867 - 03/30/20 06:05 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Both my cousins travelled near the start of this all when airline tickets dipped one was down in Mexico with his girlfriend, he made it back the other is currently trapped in Bali with her boyfriend, and will likely be months before they make it back
while continually hoping for their health, safety, and well-being it is also marginally frustrating to be so closely related to the stereotypical idiot millennials
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deucedbi9
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Re: Coronavirus 2020 aka Wuhan Coronavirus aka COVID-19 [Re: PatrickKn]
#26567890 - 03/30/20 06:17 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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PatrickKn said:
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deucedbi9 said:
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PatrickKn said: I'm on week 3 of working from home, but I think Saturday was day 1 of stay at home orders from the state.
Been doing a 3 mile run or longer hike just about everyday since starting though. Been relatively laid back for me.
Can anyone explain to a layman, as I realy don't get it, why running around outside during a semi-lockdown / social isolation scenario is ok?
I walked into town last Friday to attend a Dr's appt, and avoiding the bus due to...I was passed by a middle aged dog walker coming toward me, and then a young female jogger coming from behind on the same path within a minute of each other. Which of these two, if both were asymptomatic carriers, would be more likely to shed an infectious viral load to me as we passed?
Personaly, I feel that joggers should fuk off.
Edit. For all I know the young woman was on her way to the same Dr's surgery, and went to the same room, in which my Dr later informed me a patient before me that day had tested positive for the Corona virus. 
You're at a higher risk of infecting others walking downtown than I am running where I am by the sounds of it. 
All things being equal, the equal being that we are all asymptomatic, and all passing the same number of people, my walking, is never going to be as likely to shed as infectious a load to passers by, as I would if I were running.
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Re: Coronavirus 2020 aka Wuhan Coronavirus aka COVID-19 [Re: deucedbi9]
#26567894 - 03/30/20 06:20 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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I'm being cheeky. But I'm sure things in a city environment are much different than a suburban or rural ones right now. Where I'm at, people are actively avoiding physical contact and if crossing paths generally seem to be going out of their way to distance from each other.
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Re: Coronavirus 2020 aka Wuhan Coronavirus aka COVID-19 [Re: PatrickKn]
#26567904 - 03/30/20 06:29 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Yeah I could have chosen a route away from footpaths. I could have walked beside the main roads and been less likely to have come so close to people.
My youngest daughter lives in London and likes to go jogging. There realy isn't a time of day, or route you can take there, that could guarantee that.
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Re: Coronavirus 2020 aka Wuhan Coronavirus aka COVID-19 [Re: deucedbi9] 1
#26567908 - 03/30/20 06:31 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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deucedbi9 said:
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PatrickKn said:
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deucedbi9 said:
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PatrickKn said: I'm on week 3 of working from home, but I think Saturday was day 1 of stay at home orders from the state.
Been doing a 3 mile run or longer hike just about everyday since starting though. Been relatively laid back for me.
Can anyone explain to a layman, as I realy don't get it, why running around outside during a semi-lockdown / social isolation scenario is ok?
I walked into town last Friday to attend a Dr's appt, and avoiding the bus due to...I was passed by a middle aged dog walker coming toward me, and then a young female jogger coming from behind on the same path within a minute of each other. Which of these two, if both were asymptomatic carriers, would be more likely to shed an infectious viral load to me as we passed?
Personaly, I feel that joggers should fuk off.
Edit. For all I know the young woman was on her way to the same Dr's surgery, and went to the same room, in which my Dr later informed me a patient before me that day had tested positive for the Corona virus. 
You're at a higher risk of infecting others walking downtown than I am running where I am by the sounds of it. 
All things being equal, the equal being that we are all asymptomatic, and all passing the same number of people, my walking, is never going to be as likely to shed as infectious a load to passers by, as I would if I were running.
If you're shedding x number of viruses per second, which would determined by the rate the virus is reproducing, and it takes you 4 seconds to pass them instead of 2 then that's twice as much they're exposed to.
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Spicemaster said: I coughed up yellow shit today
covid doesnt make you cough up mucus unless maybe you have a bacterial super infection in which case you would be unmistakably I'll. Basically as I understand it with covid19 if you try to take a deep breath or talk at length you go into a severe dry coughing fit. I cant find it right now but I watched a YouTube video earlier where someone with covid was on the phone and the nature of the cough was very clear. It is unmistakable. Very bad. I've seen pneumonia many times but never heard a cough this bad. This guy wasn't even in the hospital either. Some famous youtuber
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Re: Coronavirus 2020 aka Wuhan Coronavirus aka COVID-19 [Re: deucedbi9]
#26567913 - 03/30/20 06:33 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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asymptomatic covid-19 is nowhere near as common as people are making it out to be. WHO puts it as Low as 8% which is far less than the flu.
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Re: Coronavirus 2020 aka Wuhan Coronavirus aka COVID-19 [Re: Kizzle]
#26567916 - 03/30/20 06:34 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Is it cool for my pet bats to drink chloroquine?
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Re: Coronavirus 2020 aka Wuhan Coronavirus aka COVID-19 [Re: koods]
#26567921 - 03/30/20 06:38 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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koods said: asymptomatic covid-19 is nowhere near as common as people are making it out to be. WHO puts it as Low as 8% which is far less than the flu.
Hopefully it turns out that the number of mild cases is higher than presently estimated.
Based on my understanding it is a total waste of testing to be focusing on people with severe symptoms. If they have a negative flu swab, pneumonia, lymphopenia and elevated il6 and CRP with glass like opacities visible on CXR or CT, they have covid. They should be testing people with mild, moderate symptoms and asymptomatic people known to be in contact with covid positive people so that we can both stay ahead of it and get a better idea of the actual stats related to illness severity
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Re: Coronavirus 2020 aka Wuhan Coronavirus aka COVID-19 [Re: InfiniteDreams] 1
#26567923 - 03/30/20 06:40 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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InfiniteDreams said: Is it cool for my pet bats to drink chloroquine?
Come take a ride in my helicopter
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8163761/Chinese-markets-selling-bats.html
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Re: Coronavirus 2020 aka Wuhan Coronavirus aka COVID-19 [Re: Kizzle]
#26567925 - 03/30/20 06:43 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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You have to inhale thousands of viral particles to have any decent chance of being infected.
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