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Re: Coronavirus 2020 aka Wuhan Coronavirus aka COVID-19 [Re: morrowasted]
    #26557098 - 03/25/20 01:14 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

NY is only keeping SF alive cause thats where its stocks are


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Re: Coronavirus 2020 aka Wuhan Coronavirus aka COVID-19 [Re: Tantrika]
    #26557147 - 03/25/20 01:45 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Looks like that Missouri gene pool needs some chlorine!:eek:


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Re: Coronavirus 2020 aka Wuhan Coronavirus aka COVID-19 [Re: tyrannicalrex] * 2
    #26557159 - 03/25/20 01:54 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

https://nextstrain.org/ncov

known mutations of SARS-NCoV-2

Asante or Morrowasted or somebody with knowledge about these kind things please translate this in english.


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Re: Coronavirus 2020 aka Wuhan Coronavirus aka COVID-19 [Re: LeningradCowboy] * 3
    #26557164 - 03/25/20 01:55 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

More than 40 mutants are known,

They are similar enough to have a common virus tho.


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Re: Coronavirus 2020 aka Wuhan Coronavirus aka COVID-19 [Re: RebeccaBlack]
    #26557166 - 03/25/20 01:57 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Thank you!


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Re: Coronavirus 2020 aka Wuhan Coronavirus aka COVID-19 [Re: LeningradCowboy] * 1
    #26557187 - 03/25/20 02:16 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Yeah actually afaik the projections about vaccine were based on expecting a greater number of mutations. They're saying they might be able to develop it faster than they thought now


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Re: Coronavirus 2020 aka Wuhan Coronavirus aka COVID-19 [Re: morrowasted]
    #26557219 - 03/25/20 02:38 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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koraks said:

I was referring to the 600 cases vs. 11k cases difference that was quoted. Daily growth rate in cases doesn't drop that fast; the only explanation is a measurement fluke.

Look, here in The Netherlands we started taking measures towards social distancing etc. 2 weeks ago and by and large, they are practiced reasonably well. R0 is estimated to be around 1 here currently. Today we are seeing what hopefully looks a bit like the growth rate becoming less steep. It's so subtle that it's not even certain that we're actually seeing this. It takes at least 2 weeks before you see effects of measures being taken with this in the case development numbers and 4-8 weeks before the death rate starts dropping.

The US lags behind on both cases and measures a little over a week or so on The Netherlands, and consequently, it's unlikely you'll see a dramatic drop in new daily cases in the next 7 days or so. Especially given the fact that the measures taken in the US are certainly not more thorough than in The Netherlands; they're roughly similar.


I'm not saying the curve is flattening for the USA as a whole. I dont meant to be derogatory but Texas alone is many times the size of the Netherlands, it is very far away from new york, and Texas is extemely different from New York in terms of density, social behaviors and climate. From a medical and logistical standpoint it makes sense to think of different geographic regions of this country as almost if they were different countries altogether.

I'm not saying a problem doesnt exist. I'm saying that it would be a major financial and medical blunder to be sending supplies to us right now, and honestly to be keeping businesses shut down here in houston after the local r0 drops to 1. An illness with an r0 of 1 and a series interval of 7 is actually far less infectious than the flu which has an r0 of 1 and a series interval of 2. Of course clinical outcomes may differ between flu and covid right now but as of right now the treatments being deployed seem to be effective as long as hospitals can handle the patient load.



Yeah, I hear you and you're right. Differentiation is necessary. And it's certainly possible that the TX response was quick and early enough to quench the problem. It certainly would be great if that's the case.

I just wanted to warn against the error that some (not you specifically) make, which is to ignore the time delays we have in this matter, which make it difficult to manage the situation. It's like driving downhill in a 20 ton tank, looking outside through a narrow slit, and whenever you touch any of the controls, it takes a few minutes before anything happens. Oh yeah, and there's a 1000ft ravine on each side of the road.


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Re: Coronavirus 2020 aka Wuhan Coronavirus aka COVID-19 [Re: koraks]
    #26557263 - 03/25/20 03:04 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Louisiana is the next biggest hotspot.

There is really no evidence that climate has any significant effect on transmission


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Re: Coronavirus 2020 aka Wuhan Coronavirus aka COVID-19 [Re: koods]
    #26557343 - 03/25/20 04:00 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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Louisiana is the next biggest hotspot.

There is really no evidence that climate has any significant effect on transmission



I'm not really gonna argue with ya about it. I've posted what I've found which I believe is fairly significant evidence, and yeah I am partially going on intuition about the differences between my experiences in New York and Texas. There are other reasons the r0 may be higher in new Orleans than in houston but still lower than that of your New York. I'm just gonna predict that they will discover this is seasonal in nature and worse in some climates and social environments than others just like with SARS-1 (flu, rhinovirus, other droplet based viral illnesses) and we can wait and see what happens


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Re: Coronavirus 2020 aka Wuhan Coronavirus aka COVID-19 [Re: morrowasted]
    #26557355 - 03/25/20 04:11 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

cold would probably preserve it for more dayz on surface


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Re: Coronavirus 2020 aka Wuhan Coronavirus aka COVID-19 [Re: cannabinated]
    #26557365 - 03/25/20 04:15 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

I heard some clinics has signs posted stating that "the virus doesn't like past temperatures 28 to 29 degrees celcius."

Whatever that means.


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Re: Coronavirus 2020 aka Wuhan Coronavirus aka COVID-19 [Re: AmazonianGuru]
    #26557399 - 03/25/20 04:34 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

https://apple.news/AXqzI6B0pTdKEoqO1JFzdNQ

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In several hours on Tuesday, Dr. Ashley Bray performed chest compressions at Elmhurst Hospital Center on a woman in her 80s, a man in his 60s and a 38-year-old who reminded the doctor of her fiancé. All had tested positive for the coronavirus and had gone into cardiac arrest. All eventually died.
Elmhurst, a 545-bed public hospital in Queens, has begun transferring patients not suffering from coronavirus to other facilities as it moves toward becoming one dedicated entirely to the outbreak. Doctors and nurses have struggled to make do with a few dozen ventilators. Calls over a loudspeaker of “Team 700,” the code for when a patient is on the verge of death, come several times a shift. Some have died inside the emergency room while waiting for a bed.
A refrigerated truck has been stationed outside to hold the bodies of the dead. Over the past 24 hours, New York City’s public hospital system said in a statement, 13 people at Elmhurst had died.
“It’s apocalyptic,” said Dr. Bray, 27, a general medicine resident at the hospital.




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Re: Coronavirus 2020 aka Wuhan Coronavirus aka COVID-19 [Re: LeningradCowboy] * 1
    #26557415 - 03/25/20 04:42 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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LeningradCowboy said:
https://nextstrain.org/ncov

known mutations of SARS-NCoV-2

Asante or Morrowasted or somebody with knowledge about these kind things please translate this in english.



They're basically comparing genomes of novel coronaviruses causing covid-19 in order to figure out how similar they are to each other.  You'd expect mutants, because that just how things work, but aside from figuring out how quickly certain genes mutate they can also figure out which mutants are most likely to have evolved directly from which ancestor and construct the phylogeny that you see (which helps them figure out how the virus has been spreading).


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Re: Coronavirus 2020 aka Wuhan Coronavirus aka COVID-19 [Re: morrowasted]
    #26557417 - 03/25/20 04:43 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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Louisiana is the next biggest hotspot.

There is really no evidence that climate has any significant effect on transmission



I'm not really gonna argue with ya about it. I've posted what I've found which I believe is fairly significant evidence, and yeah I am partially going on intuition about the differences between my experiences in New York and Texas. There are other reasons the r0 may be higher in new Orleans than in houston but still lower than that of your New York. I'm just gonna predict that they will discover this is seasonal in nature and worse in some climates and social environments than others just like with SARS-1 (flu, rhinovirus, other droplet based viral illnesses) and we can wait and see what happens



Apparently it looks like they'll be able to target it with a single vaccine.  :shrug:


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Re: Coronavirus 2020 aka Wuhan Coronavirus aka COVID-19 [Re: chibiabos]
    #26557434 - 03/25/20 04:53 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Just heard the infectious disease guy on MSNBC admit this will probably be seasonally and geographically variable for the first time


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Re: Coronavirus 2020 aka Wuhan Coronavirus aka COVID-19 [Re: chibiabos]
    #26557437 - 03/25/20 04:55 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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chibiabos said:
Quote:

LeningradCowboy said:
https://nextstrain.org/ncov

known mutations of SARS-NCoV-2

Asante or Morrowasted or somebody with knowledge about these kind things please translate this in english.



They're basically comparing genomes of novel coronaviruses causing covid-19 in order to figure out how similar they are to each other.  You'd expect mutants, because that just how things work, but aside from figuring out how quickly certain genes mutate they can also figure out which mutants are most likely to have evolved directly from which ancestor and construct the phylogeny that you see (which helps them figure out how the virus has been spreading).



Cool site.


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Re: Coronavirus 2020 aka Wuhan Coronavirus aka COVID-19 [Re: koods]
    #26557445 - 03/25/20 04:59 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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koods said:
https://apple.news/AXqzI6B0pTdKEoqO1JFzdNQ

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In several hours on Tuesday, Dr. Ashley Bray performed chest compressions at Elmhurst Hospital Center on a woman in her 80s, a man in his 60s and a 38-year-old who reminded the doctor of her fiancé. All had tested positive for the coronavirus and had gone into cardiac arrest. All eventually died.
Elmhurst, a 545-bed public hospital in Queens, has begun transferring patients not suffering from coronavirus to other facilities as it moves toward becoming one dedicated entirely to the outbreak. Doctors and nurses have struggled to make do with a few dozen ventilators. Calls over a loudspeaker of “Team 700,” the code for when a patient is on the verge of death, come several times a shift. Some have died inside the emergency room while waiting for a bed.
A refrigerated truck has been stationed outside to hold the bodies of the dead. Over the past 24 hours, New York City’s public hospital system said in a statement, 13 people at Elmhurst had died.
“It’s apocalyptic,” said Dr. Bray, 27, a general medicine resident at the hospital.





it is definitely sad. Some People dont have as many antibodies this disease. Or the antibodies they do have dont aork well enough for a variety of reasons. Many of them are getting sicker from it than they do from the flu. Some of them are getting less sick. My girlfriend is from New York and claims she has an aunt and cousin who tested positive and are both totally asymptomatic.  We dont know yet who is most susceptible to it. It is just as sad and dramatic when people die from any respiratory illness. It is good that we are being cautious with this disease because I do think the death toll would be high if we let it spread to quickly but at a slow pace I believe most people will get mild illness, develop antibodies, and the hospital systems will be able to handle the rest


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Re: Coronavirus 2020 aka Wuhan Coronavirus aka COVID-19 [Re: morrowasted]
    #26557446 - 03/25/20 05:00 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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Just heard the infectious disease guy on MSNBC admit this will probably be seasonally and geographically variable for the first time



Could be, but those sort of predictions are more or less contingent on the bleeding edge of science and the data is changing day by day (if not more often).


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Re: Coronavirus 2020 aka Wuhan Coronavirus aka COVID-19 [Re: chibiabos]
    #26557448 - 03/25/20 05:01 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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morrowasted said:
Just heard the infectious disease guy on MSNBC admit this will probably be seasonally and geographically variable for the first time



Could be, but those sort of predictions are more or less contingent on the bleeding edge of science and the data is changing day by day (if not more often).


feel free to share a single study suggesting this does not vary seasonally and geographically


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Re: Coronavirus 2020 aka Wuhan Coronavirus aka COVID-19 [Re: psi] * 1
    #26557450 - 03/25/20 05:01 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

India has banned the export of a malaria drug touted by President Trump as a "game changer" in the fight against the coronavirus pandemic.

The country's Director General of Foreign Trade said in a statement Wednesday that exports of hydroxychloroquine and formulations made from it would be immediately prohibited.
However, existing contracts of the drug will still be filled and other countries can make a request for the drug on humanitarian grounds, which will be assessed on a case-by-case basis...
https://thehill.com/policy/international/489559-india-bans-export-of-drug-touted-by-trump-as-potential-coronavirus

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