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Re: Coronavirus 2020 aka Wuhan Coronavirus aka COVID-19 [Re: Niffla] 1
#26549794 - 03/21/20 09:15 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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Niffla said: Dallas has now fallen in line and announced that all non-essential businesses must close until further notice.
At least it's not an entire state like with California, that's just crazy. I'm far more worried the possibility of being out of work than the actual virus. I just hope these decisions are being made by experts who know what they're doing and that these actions are actually going to do some good and that it's not just some politician panicking. All non-essential businesses doesn't sound very well thought out. Surely some are more of a risk than others.
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Re: Coronavirus 2020 aka Wuhan Coronavirus aka COVID-19 [Re: Nichrome]
#26549813 - 03/21/20 09:24 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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Nichrome said: When The numbers are accurate I'll get scared like some of you. So long as only dying people are being tested the media can shove their fake numbers up their asses.
There will never be accurate numbers available for this. I've been saying for awhile that millions are likely to have/had this and are recovering/recovered well. The official reported death rate is absolutely higher than it realistically is most places...
They are encouraging people not to get tested if they don't have severe symptoms now in many areas. That correlates with personal accounts from people I know where I live and a friend of mine in Seattle...who is fairly sick and went to multiple places to try, and they won't test her...
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/in-hard-hit-areas-testing-restricted-to-health-care-workers-hospital-patients/ar-BB11vpAa?ocid=spartanntp
“The default assumption is yes — anyone who comes in with any kind of fever, cough, respiratory symptom, flu-like illness, we’re making the assumption that they have this,” he said, based on the prevalence of community transmission in New York. “It’s very likely you have it. There’s no benefit for you to test.”
“We’ve asked the public to understand we can’t test everyone, especially if they have mild symptoms or are asymptomatic,” said Jeff Duchin, health officer for Seattle and King County, a hard-hit part of the country.
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Re: Coronavirus 2020 aka Wuhan Coronavirus aka COVID-19 [Re: hummingbird] 1
#26549815 - 03/21/20 09:28 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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There are no accurate numbers of infected so there are no accurate percentages of deaths. Simple as that.
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Re: Coronavirus 2020 aka Wuhan Coronavirus aka COVID-19 [Re: hummingbird] 1
#26549816 - 03/21/20 09:30 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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Tonight is when the next stage starts in the US. Dealing with the dead and dying. 1500 hospitalized 360 in ICU in NYC. Virus has well penetrated the population. Tens of thousands may die in the city in the next two weeks.
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Re: Coronavirus 2020 aka Wuhan Coronavirus aka COVID-19 [Re: hummingbird] 2
#26549821 - 03/21/20 09:32 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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If you have a good immune system a virus like this will not make you sick, it is only the vunerable that are getting sick. There is a difference in having the virus in your body and actually having symptoms. It worries me the powers at be may be using this virus in a malicious way. There is a depopulation agenda. Not looking good right now.
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Re: Coronavirus 2020 aka Wuhan Coronavirus aka COVID-19 [Re: Shroomhunts] 2
#26549824 - 03/21/20 09:35 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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twitter has a pretty convenient feature where, on a lot of images, you can modify the URL to modify the image size (I changed "large" from the former url to ""small"
( image koods posted in more readable format)
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Re: Coronavirus 2020 aka Wuhan Coronavirus aka COVID-19 [Re: sh4d0ws]
#26549844 - 03/21/20 09:44 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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I just set my maximum image width on the shroomery to 600
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Re: Coronavirus 2020 aka Wuhan Coronavirus aka COVID-19 [Re: Shroomhunts] 3
#26549845 - 03/21/20 09:44 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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Shroomhunts said: If you have a good immune system a virus like this will not make you sick, it is only the vunerable that are getting sick. There is a difference in having the virus in your body and actually having symptoms. It worries me the powers at be may be using this virus in a malicious way. There is a depopulation agenda. Not looking good right now.
Simply not true
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Re: Coronavirus 2020 aka Wuhan Coronavirus aka COVID-19 [Re: hummingbird] 1
#26549848 - 03/21/20 09:47 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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Some Covid-19 Math:
Using my state's infections from day 1 with 1 infection to now with 45, I became curious about predicting the spread (it's only been 2 weeks! If that rate continues the whole state would be infected in 6 weeks).
So Covid-19 has an r0 of 3 (give or take). The incubation period is an average of 5 days and the length of infection is 19 days for mild cases and 25 for severe cases. You can calculate the spread with a more complex method spreading the infections out over the 19 days but for simplicity's sake, I just added the new cases immediately after the incubation period. This would significantly speed up the spread but look at the prediction vs. the results.
Predicted cases after two weeks: 50 Actual cases after two weeks: 45 (with known unidentified infections)
We can't know for sure how many asymptomatic folks are walking around but even if there are only 5, the speed of infection is extreme and the r0 is likely over 3. During the later infections, we had already implemented safety measures! I am going to try it with different states but that's frightening.
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Re: Coronavirus 2020 aka Wuhan Coronavirus aka COVID-19 [Re: koods]
#26549856 - 03/21/20 09:53 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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koods said:
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Shroomhunts said: If you have a good immune system a virus like this will not make you sick, it is only the vunerable that are getting sick. There is a difference in having the virus in your body and actually having symptoms. It worries me the powers at be may be using this virus in a malicious way. There is a depopulation agenda. Not looking good right now.
Simply not true
As the person making the rebuttal to this statement the burden of proof is your responsibility. Your statement is not even a complete sentence let alone proof that this guy is wrong.
How exactly is this guy's post "simply not true"? Or are you just flaming/trolling?
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Re: Coronavirus 2020 aka Wuhan Coronavirus aka COVID-19 [Re: Shroomhunts] 1
#26549860 - 03/21/20 09:55 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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Shroomhunts said: If you have a good immune system a virus like this will not make you sick, it is only the vunerable that are getting sick. There is a difference in having the virus in your body and actually having symptoms. It worries me the powers at be may be using this virus in a malicious way. There is a depopulation agenda. Not looking good right now.
Kind of an outdated theory. We see clearly now that nobody can determine their susceptibility. Better off assuming you'll risk dying if you get it, that way you'll be more cautious and considerate of others.
It's "simply not true" from the recent sudden deaths in young healthy people, unlinkable to any health condition
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Re: Coronavirus 2020 aka Wuhan Coronavirus aka COVID-19 [Re: Nichrome] 1
#26549864 - 03/21/20 09:56 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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https://www.covidactnow.org/
projections of #of deaths and when hospitals will exceed capacity based on various social distancing models
I would be okay with a month long wuhan lockdown at this point
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Re: Coronavirus 2020 aka Wuhan Coronavirus aka COVID-19 [Re: Darwin23]
#26549868 - 03/21/20 09:57 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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Darwin23 said: Some Covid-19 Math:
Using my state's infections from day 1 with 1 infection to now with 45, I became curious about predicting the spread (it's only been 2 weeks! If that rate continues the whole state would be infected in 6 weeks).
So Covid-19 has an r0 of 3 (give or take). The incubation period is an average of 5 days and the length of infection is 19 days for mild cases and 25 for severe cases. You can calculate the spread with a more complex method spreading the infections out over the 19 days but for simplicity's sake, I just added the new cases immediately after the incubation period. This would significantly speed up the spread but look at the prediction vs. the results.
Predicted cases after two weeks: 50 Actual cases after two weeks: 45 (with known unidentified infections)
We can't know for sure how many asymptomatic folks are walking around but even if there are only 5, the speed of infection is extreme and the r0 is likely over 3. During the later infections, we had already implemented safety measures! I am going to try it with different states but that's frightening.
There are no accurate numbers to go on. There are not enough tests and without accurate numbers percentages cannot be determined.
Only Dying people are being tested. I have several friends who are symptomatic who have been denied tests multiple times.
There are no accurate numbers. Stop looking at the TV and look out your door at what is really happening.
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Re: Coronavirus 2020 aka Wuhan Coronavirus aka COVID-19 [Re: Shroomhunts]
#26549873 - 03/21/20 10:00 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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Tax an already overtaxed healthcare system.
Tax an already overtaxed body (stressed, externally and internally.)
Tax an already overtaxed supply of resources.
Stretch an already overstretched economic system.
Red tape designed to keep us safe actually hinders us when things aren't status quo. You can't manufacture thousands of medical professionals overnight. As it turns out you can't manufacture alot of things overnight when you have things systematically and strategically laid out so that everything 'works as it should.'
They'll be reading about this in school books in 25-30 years and it will seem like an obvious inevitability.
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Re: Coronavirus 2020 aka Wuhan Coronavirus aka COVID-19 [Re: CookieCrumbs] 1
#26549879 - 03/21/20 10:06 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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Is it safer to have groceries delivered to your home or just go to the store yourself?
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Re: Coronavirus 2020 aka Wuhan Coronavirus aka COVID-19 [Re: morrowasted]
#26549881 - 03/21/20 10:07 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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morrowasted said: https://www.covidactnow.org/
projections of #of deaths and when hospitals will exceed capacity based on various social distancing models
I would be okay with a month long wuhan lockdown at this point
In every state almost all of it seems like it takes barely anything to overload the hospitals.
I think it's so absurd that it took us forever to even kinda acknowledge we had an issue and then got hyper focused on insurance and cost and not.... like the fact that it's all fucked up and severely unprepared to actually take care of us. Struggling to take care of us, actually. Even when things were 'normal.'
And we bickered about costs.
I hate it.
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Re: Coronavirus 2020 aka Wuhan Coronavirus aka COVID-19 [Re: Shroomhunts] 2
#26549886 - 03/21/20 10:09 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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Shroomhunts said: If you have a good immune system a virus like this will not make you sick, it is only the vunerable that are getting sick. There is a difference in having the virus in your body and actually having symptoms. It worries me the powers at be may be using this virus in a malicious way. There is a depopulation agenda. Not looking good right now.
Horseshit. There is no such thing as a "good" immune system. You have an immmune system. It's like your kidneys- it either works or it doesn't work as well as it should. But having one that works doesn't mean "good" in the sense that it's "better" than other people with working immune systems. You do not have antibodies to COVID-19. Nobody does except probably the few people who have recovered. A very few people might be naturally resistant to it for reasons we don't understand, but your apparent resistance to the flu or other common illnesses says nothing about your susceptibility to COVID infection or development of complications
I could screenshot you one account after another from nursing forums, chatrooms, and facebook groups of young healthy people in their 30s with no comorbidities dying, but I don't feel like going back through those threads, frankly.

Meanwhile your nurses are starting to die
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Re: Coronavirus 2020 aka Wuhan Coronavirus aka COVID-19 [Re: morrowasted] 1
#26549887 - 03/21/20 10:11 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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Stop looking at the TV and look out your door at what is really happening.
It's very hard to see the effects of viral illnesses until, you know, you do. To get a "nonabstract", "with your own eyes" sense of what we are up against right now, you need to go step into a big city ICU right now. If we keep it up, though, you won't need to.
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Re: Coronavirus 2020 aka Wuhan Coronavirus aka COVID-19 [Re: morrowasted]
#26549892 - 03/21/20 10:15 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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Steroids, eh?
What about anabolic steroids, or, for that matter, natural testosterone?
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Re: Coronavirus 2020 aka Wuhan Coronavirus aka COVID-19 [Re: Baby_Hitler]
#26549897 - 03/21/20 10:18 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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Baby_Hitler said: Steroids, eh?
What about anabolic steroids, or, for that matter, natural testosterone?
they are talking about corticosteroids. they often use them for pneumonia. methylprednisolone and prednisone
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