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Re: Coronavirus 2020 aka Wuhan Coronavirus aka COVID-19 - Pandemic 2020 [Re: audiophoenix]
    #26548363 - 03/21/20 08:34 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

A friend of mine very likely has COVID. Because of knowing herbalism he went for chewing licorice root to get at the licorice extract and indeed this seemed to alleviate things for him somewhat.

Licorice root is well known to be effective in respiratory ailments.

Of course he also 5x a day dissolves a teaspoon of neat vitamin C in water and drinks that.
That in itself mitigates for instance flu symptoms greatly.


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Re: Viral outbreak in China [Re: Asante]
    #26548435 - 03/21/20 09:08 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)



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Re: Viral outbreak in China [COVID 19 aka. SARS-CoV-2 aka "Wuhan Coronavirus"] [Re: mushboy]
    #26548436 - 03/21/20 09:09 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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Okay God

Pretty sure it was Hamhead who warned us tho





He didnt get the :shitstorm: I got though for stickying it and making it the central repository for the topic for a while.




That's not why you got a 'shit storm' either. The amount of childish bullshittery perpetuated in this thread were the reasons for my dissent but you shoot all that down before a dialog could take place.




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Re: Coronavirus 2020 aka Wuhan Coronavirus aka COVID-19 - Pandemic 2020 [Re: koods]
    #26548479 - 03/21/20 09:34 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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Sars and Covid-19 are from China
MERS (the other coronavirus outbreak) started in Saudi Arabia
The 2009 swine flu started in Mexico
The 1918 Flu started in Kansas
Mad Cow started in Britain
Legionaries disease started in Philadelphia
Ebola started in Africa
HIV started in Africa
Smallpox started in Europe
The Bubonic plague started in Europe
Syphilis started in Central America
Lyme disease started in the US

Considering the population of China, it’s not unexpected that more disease will originate there.




Gotta fact check you.  The bubonic plague never once started in Europe.

  • 541–750 (circa) The first plague pandemic spreads from Egypt to the Mediterranean (starting with the Plague of Justinian) and Northwestern Europe.
  • 1346–1840 The second plague pandemic spreads from Central Asia to the Mediterranean and Europe. The Black Death of 1346–53 is considered to be unparalleled in human history. From 1347 to 1665, the Black Death is responsible for about 25 million deaths in Europe.
  • 1866–1960s The third plague pandemic, which originated in China, results in about 2.2 million deaths. The plague spread to India and killed a total of 22.5 million people under the British rule. Haffkine develops the first vaccine against bubonic plague. Antibiotic drugs are developed in the 1940s which dramatically reduce the death rate from plague.


So we have Egypt, Central Asia, and China called out here.


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Re: Coronavirus 2020 aka Wuhan Coronavirus aka COVID-19 - Pandemic 2020 [Re: Nichrome]
    #26548501 - 03/21/20 09:42 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

There's a ton of confusion and misinformation of the symptoms so:

https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2020/03/13/814691018/coronavirus-symptoms-defining-mild-moderate-and-severe

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In 80% of known cases, COVID-19 causes mild to moderate illness, according to a report of a joint World Health Organization-China mission of 25 infectious disease experts held in China late last month.At a press conference on March 9, Maria Van Kerkhove, technical lead of the WHO Health Emergencies Program, said: "[A] mild infection starts normally with a fever, although it may take a couple of days to get a fever. You will have some respiratory symptoms; you have some aches and pains. You'll have a dry cough. This is what the majority of individuals will have."




What I gather is for most people it feels like the flu without congestion.

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It is "nothing that will make you feel like you need to run to a hospital," says Dr. Amesh Adalja, a senior scholar at the Johns Hopkins Center for Health Security.

A mild case of COVID-19 in and of itself is not dangerous.





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Symptoms of being moderately ill with COVID-19 include coughing, fever above 100.4, chills and a feeling that you don't want to or can't get out of bed, says Adalja.

With shortness, of breath, that "is a wide spectrum and whether we consider treatment will be based on how short of breath they are, their age and other health conditions," says Galea."\

"Is it shortness of breath after climbing a flight of stairs or when there's no activity — for example, when you're just sitting in a chair?" says Dr. Theresa Madaline, hospital epidemiologist at the Montefiore Health System in New York City.

In either case, there's cause for concern with a confirmed or suspected COVID-19 case. "Shortness of breath [with this virus] is a symptom to always check with a health care provider. Period," says Dr. Kenneth E. Lyn-Kew, a pulmonologist in the Section of Critical Care Medicine and Department of Medicine at National Jewish Health in Denver.

That's because shortness of breath can be caused by low oxygen levels in the blood. Blood carries oxygen to organs and tissues, and low levels can lead to organ shutdown or even death.

For patients with moderate symptoms, hospitalization is unlikely unless they are having difficulty drawing a breath or are dehydrated. Signs of dehydration can include increased thirst, dry mouth, decreased urine output, yellow urine, dry skin, a headache and dizziness.




If you have problems breathing you should get checked out.

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Severe

During the March 9 press conference, Dr. Van Kerkhove said that "while pneumonia can often resolve on its own, especially in younger people, in older people and in those with underlying health conditions, pneumonia can be life-threatening or require hospitalization, especially if their immune system is weak."

The concern, says Galea, is that in severe cases, without giving a patient supplemental oxygen or if needed a respirator to aid breathing, a patient's organs can shut down and the patient can die, says Galea. People with pneumonia can also get secondary bacterial infections, which can be life-threatening and require treatment with intravenous antibiotics.

A different problem can occur if the disease progresses. The virus can enter lung cells and start replicating, killing the cells. The immune system may take action to fight the virus, creating inflammation, destroying lung tissue and sometimes resulting in a more severe form of pneumonia.

This [immune system] response can impair the ability to get oxygen into the blood. Without enough oxygen, inflammation can become more severe and result in organ failure.




Severe means that you cannot breathe.



There is something in between mild and severe guys. Meaning, according to the studies so far, 80% of people have symptoms so minor they're not associating it with this killer virus going around. And that makes them spread it.

Again if you do not have thermometer get one the next time you go out.

These quarantine measures we're all enduring are only going to work if we all do our best to take part in it. I think it's probably unnecessary but that's irrelevant, we're doing it, so we might as well do it successfully.



https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/coronavirus/symptoms-causes/syc-20479963

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Symptoms
Signs and symptoms of COVID-19 may appear two to 14 days after exposure and can include:

Fever
Cough
Shortness of breath or difficulty breathing
Other symptoms can include:

Tiredness
Aches
Runny nose
Sore throat
The severity of COVID-19 symptoms can range from very mild to severe. Some people have no symptoms. People who are older or have existing chronic medical conditions, such as heart or lung disease or diabetes, may be at higher risk of serious illness. This is similar to what is seen with other respiratory illnesses, such as influenza.




Oh hey thanks mayo clinic for comparing it to the flu.

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Contact your doctor or clinic right away if you have COVID-19 symptoms, you've been exposed to someone with COVID-19, or you live in or have traveled from an area with ongoing community spread of COVID-19 as determined by CDC and WHO. Call your doctor ahead to tell him or her about your symptoms and recent travels and possible exposure before you go to your appointment.

Anyone with respiratory symptoms who hasn't been in an area with ongoing community spread can contact his or her doctor or clinic for further recommendations and guidance. Let your doctor know if you have other chronic medical conditions. As the pandemic progresses, it's important to make sure health care is available for those in greatest need.




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It takes 2-14 days after exposure for symptoms to develop.




There's a huge list of potential symptoms but alot of those were identified early on, when separating coincidental symptoms (such as potential GI issues) vs ones caused by the virus were difficult. There's still some confusion about this so the most reliable thing is to pay attention to cough and fever.



I wouldn't be surprised if I did have that damn thing when I said I realized I had a bug of some type after passing it onto my family. Nose was constantly running. My chest hurt pretty fucking bad. But again I'm prone to lung/chest wall inflammation so I didn't think much of it until I passed it on.

Multiply one Cookie by several hundred million...


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Re: Coronavirus 2020 aka Wuhan Coronavirus aka COVID-19 - Pandemic 2020 [Re: Gypsy Boy]
    #26548527 - 03/21/20 10:00 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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I really think at a time like this trumpy bear shouldn't be jabbing anyone in the ribs. Calling it the Chinese virus or the wuhan virus is fucked up. The chinese people or wuhan have no control over its government's laws on wet markets nor the virus or bacteria that come from it.




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It was some dude in this thread ( and it is my duty to repeat it) this virus came from anti sanitary animal meat markets. ANd like it was said China better get their shit together or before we know they produce a strain with 60% mortality this time.




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Re: Coronavirus 2020 aka Wuhan Coronavirus aka COVID-19 - Pandemic 2020 [Re: InfiniteDreams]
    #26548538 - 03/21/20 10:05 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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Sars and Covid-19 are from China
MERS (the other coronavirus outbreak) started in Saudi Arabia
The 2009 swine flu started in Mexico
The 1918 Flu started in Kansas
Mad Cow started in Britain
Legionaries disease started in Philadelphia
Ebola started in Africa
HIV started in Africa
Smallpox started in Europe
The Bubonic plague started in Europe
Syphilis started in Central America
Lyme disease started in the US

Considering the population of China, it’s not unexpected that more disease will originate there.




Gotta fact check you.  The bubonic plague never once started in Europe.

  • 541–750 (circa) The first plague pandemic spreads from Egypt to the Mediterranean (starting with the Plague of Justinian) and Northwestern Europe.
  • 1346–1840 The second plague pandemic spreads from Central Asia to the Mediterranean and Europe. The Black Death of 1346–53 is considered to be unparalleled in human history. From 1347 to 1665, the Black Death is responsible for about 25 million deaths in Europe.
  • 1866–1960s The third plague pandemic, which originated in China, results in about 2.2 million deaths. The plague spread to India and killed a total of 22.5 million people under the British rule. Haffkine develops the first vaccine against bubonic plague. Antibiotic drugs are developed in the 1940s which dramatically reduce the death rate from plague.


So we have Egypt, Central Asia, and China called out here.



It’s the same bacteria. It only gets to start once.


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Re: Coronavirus 2020 aka Wuhan Coronavirus aka COVID-19 - Pandemic 2020 [Re: koods]
    #26548551 - 03/21/20 10:13 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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The Bubonic plague started in Europe





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The bubonic plague never once started in Europe.

  • The first plague pandemic spreads from Egypt
  • The second plague pandemic spreads from Central Asia
  • The third plague pandemic, which originated in China







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It’s the same bacteria. It only gets to start once.




I stripped it down.  Your claim was where the plague started.  Sources show the plague never started in Europe.  Now you are discussing the origins of the bacteria.

Just as with a virus, a bacteria can undergo mutation.  Specific to the mutation of this bacteria and the bubonic plague, here is a resource: https://www.livescience.com/51394-plague-evolution.html


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Re: Coronavirus 2020 aka Wuhan Coronavirus aka COVID-19 [Re: Ahab McBathsalts]
    #26548590 - 03/21/20 10:35 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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10,000 by Friday. The shit doubles every 2 or 3 days. That's how fast this thing is going. In a week the USA will be at over 100,000 cases.





Cuomo announced they hit 10,356 this morning. USA to 100K by Thursday. Army will be called in on Tuesday to set up checkpoints.


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Re: Coronavirus 2020 aka Wuhan Coronavirus aka COVID-19 [Re: Ahab McBathsalts]
    #26548594 - 03/21/20 10:36 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

"“It first struck me how different it was when I saw my first coronavirus patient go bad. I was like, Holy shit, this is not the flu. Watching this relatively young guy, gasping for air, pink frothy secretions coming out of his tube.”"

https://www.propublica.org/article/a-medical-worker-describes--terrifying-lung-failure-from-covid19-even-in-his-young-patients


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Re: Coronavirus 2020 aka Wuhan Coronavirus aka COVID-19 [Re: feevers] * 1
    #26548599 - 03/21/20 10:40 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

"Los Angeles County health officials advised doctors to give up on testing patients in the hope of containing the coronavirus outbreak, instructing them to test patients only if a positive result could change how they would be treated."

https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2020-03-20/coronavirus-county-doctors-containment-testing



Looks like the numbers will be getting even more inaccurate


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Re: Coronavirus 2020 aka Wuhan Coronavirus aka COVID-19 [Re: feevers]
    #26548615 - 03/21/20 10:45 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

That’s pretty grim


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Re: Coronavirus 2020 aka Wuhan Coronavirus aka COVID-19 [Re: feevers]
    #26548618 - 03/21/20 10:46 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

Hospital staff here have been sent home on unemployment. I know 5 people who are symptomatic who have been denied multiple COVID 19 tests because they are not in critical condition and have not left the country recently.

The hospital is staffed but not by locals.

The #'s are in no way accurate. WTF is going on?


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Re: Coronavirus 2020 aka Wuhan Coronavirus aka COVID-19 [Re: Dark_Star]
    #26548640 - 03/21/20 10:55 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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That’s pretty grim



It's common sense. It's been done like this for over a week where I live.


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Re: Coronavirus 2020 aka Wuhan Coronavirus aka COVID-19 [Re: koraks] * 2
    #26548644 - 03/21/20 10:57 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

I think that post was a reply to the "terrifying lung failure even in young patients" post.


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Re: Coronavirus 2020 aka Wuhan Coronavirus aka COVID-19 [Re: feevers]
    #26548658 - 03/21/20 11:01 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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"Los Angeles County health officials advised doctors to give up on testing patients in the hope of containing the coronavirus outbreak, instructing them to test patients only if a positive result could change how they would be treated."

https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2020-03-20/coronavirus-county-doctors-containment-testing



Looks like the numbers will be getting even more inaccurate




All positive test should change the way a patient is treated. That's just stupid for them to do. The test is completed in the lab not in person. It takes a little blood and seconds to draw. A test only takes seconds away from in person treatment.

If 8 billion "vaccines" can be made in months, Why is testing and ventilator production deemed less important as these are the things actually saving lives?

Vaccines take a minimum of three years testing to be deemed safe. The reason for this is that recombinant DNA and adjuvents used can be very dangerous or fatal.

Love you guys. I doubt the #'s due to improper testing.:heart:


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Re: Coronavirus 2020 aka Wuhan Coronavirus aka COVID-19 [Re: Nichrome]
    #26548673 - 03/21/20 11:07 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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All positive test should change the way a patient is treated.



Please explain. I'm all ears.

ARDS is ARDS, regardless of the origin. Treatment is the same. The only difference is that in cases where it's brought on by a bacterial infection, antibiotics may help. CoViD cases show a rapid deterioration atypical for this and a positive nCoV2 test makes no difference in treatment. Partly because treatment needs to be started way before the test result comes back anyway.


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Re: Coronavirus 2020 aka Wuhan Coronavirus aka COVID-19 [Re: koraks]
    #26548680 - 03/21/20 11:11 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

It makes a huge difference in treatment. Such as the types of drugs used. Ibuprofen which is the common drug used worldwide can be fatal to anyone with COVID 19. This is why many of the first deaths occurred. It is very important to test.


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Re: Coronavirus 2020 aka Wuhan Coronavirus aka COVID-19 [Re: koraks] * 1
    #26548750 - 03/21/20 11:44 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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That’s pretty grim



It's common sense. It's been done like this for over a week where I live.



 
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Re: Coronavirus 2020 aka Wuhan Coronavirus aka COVID-19 [Re: koraks]
    #26548786 - 03/21/20 12:06 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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psi said:
All positive test should change the way a patient is treated.



Please explain. I'm all ears.

ARDS is ARDS, regardless of the origin. Treatment is the same. The only difference is that in cases where it's brought on by a bacterial infection, antibiotics may help. CoViD cases show a rapid deterioration atypical for this and a positive nCoV2 test makes no difference in treatment. Partly because treatment needs to be started way before the test result comes back anyway.




The treatment protocol for covid is significantly different than other pneumonias, especially when determining when to intervene with mechanical ventilation.


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