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Is it safe to scrape a bit of mold off dry vermiculite layer? *DELETED*
#26443030 - 01/20/20 11:41 AM (4 years, 28 days ago) |
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Re: Is it safe to scrape a bit of mold off dry vermiculite layer? [Re: Ojepam]
#26443466 - 01/20/20 04:42 PM (4 years, 27 days ago) |
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Ahhhhhh ive just realiaed your supposed to dunk them but i couldnt do that, well i might of been able to since it came out in chunks but i was more worried about them breakin up in the water or somethin, feel like an idiot now lol luckily it was just the one jar i emptied out, if your wondering why i got them jars with weird tops its because i was desperate for jars and the first few places i looked in didnt have any lol can i use it without dunking? Already been mixed with coco coir now so i hope so.
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Re: Is it safe to scrape a bit of mold off dry vermiculite layer? [Re: Ojepam]
#26443876 - 01/20/20 08:47 PM (4 years, 27 days ago) |
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I'm honestly impressed you got anything to grow on vermiculite, since there's nothing in straight vermiculite to be metabolized. This, along with the rest of your post confirms the tek was done incorrectly.
PF tek won't work with tapered neck jars. Wide mouth jars are used so the whole cake will slide out whole once the cake is consolidated. Since the neck was tapered, there's no good way for us to guess if the cake crumbled because of the neck, or because the cake wasn't consolidated.
Any mold generally means it's all got mold in it. Mold mycelium is invisible to the naked eye, and grows fast and long. There's no way to tell whether or not the mold mycelium made it through the vermiculite and into the cake. On paper it shouldn't, but having mold on the vermiculite means there was an error somewhere in the execution of the tek.
If you ended up with cakes, dunking the contaminated with the not yet confirmed contaminated cakes would have almost guaranteed they were all contaminated after the dunk.
If you'd read the tek you'd know why dunking is done. It's an important step done to hydrate the cakes and facilitate metabolism before pinning triggers are introduced.
You're well beyond the realm of anything approaching a tek, so just continue doing whatever you want. The mycelium could use some hydration if it's going to fruit at all. Throw some beer on it. Piss on it. It's whatever.
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Re: Is it safe to scrape a bit of mold off dry vermiculite layer? [Re: Barrel]
#26443891 - 01/20/20 08:53 PM (4 years, 27 days ago) |
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Mold mycelium can be seen with a naked eye dude 
When spawning cakes to bulk we skip the dunking step because the substrate holds the water that the mycelium needs
Tapered neck jars can be used if spawning cakes to bulk since they get crumbled to bulk anyways
If your verm layer got mold then your cake is probably contaminated as well, if you didnt wipe the rims of your jars off BEFORE applying the dry verm layer you can get pieces of BRF mixture stuck to the sides which can act as a wick for contaminates
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Re: Is it safe to scrape a bit of mold off dry vermiculite layer? [Re: DnDRnD]
#26443975 - 01/20/20 09:37 PM (4 years, 27 days ago) |
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You did add the dry verm Then sterilize right? Not sterilize then add verm then inject spores? Cause that kind of defeats the purpose of sterilizing or steaming whatever your grain is if you open it up and throw a few handfuls of vermiculite in it then shoot it with spores. Im not tryin to sound like a dick i just wanna be sure, i want you to get some shrooms
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Re: Is it safe to scrape a bit of mold off dry vermiculite layer? [Re: Cootermonkey]
#26444213 - 01/21/20 02:39 AM (4 years, 27 days ago) |
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Added the dry verm before boiling it I think, the colonizing part took quite a while though so id forgot, I looked everything up at the time though, I thought it was because some of the spores went into the dry vermiculite that caused it but that's illogical lol honestly though my memory doesn't remember, I'm just going assuming I did because at the start I was looking everything's up
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Re: Is it safe to scrape a bit of mold off dry vermiculite layer? [Re: Ojepam]
#26444215 - 01/21/20 02:47 AM (4 years, 27 days ago) |
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Shit I know what your saying now,damn, when I saw the mold and scraped it out I never sterilized the verm that I added after,was all irratic because I saw the mold and logic went out the window trying to fix it lol keep destroying my jars by being dumb, second time round I wont make this mistake, hopfully I can turn it round.
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Re: Is it safe to scrape a bit of mold off dry vermiculite layer? [Re: Barrel]
#26444216 - 01/21/20 02:52 AM (4 years, 27 days ago) |
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Barrel said: I'm honestly impressed you got anything to grow on vermiculite, since there's nothing in straight vermiculite to be metabolized. This, along with the rest of your post confirms the tek was done incorrectly.
PF tek won't work with tapered neck jars. Wide mouth jars are used so the whole cake will slide out whole once the cake is consolidated. Since the neck was tapered, there's no good way for us to guess if the cake crumbled because of the neck, or because the cake wasn't consolidated.
Any mold generally means it's all got mold in it. Mold mycelium is invisible to the naked eye, and grows fast and long. There's no way to tell whether or not the mold mycelium made it through the vermiculite and into the cake. On paper it shouldn't, but having mold on the vermiculite means there was an error somewhere in the execution of the tek.
If you ended up with cakes, dunking the contaminated with the not yet confirmed contaminated cakes would have almost guaranteed they were all contaminated after the dunk.
If you'd read the tek you'd know why dunking is done. It's an important step done to hydrate the cakes and facilitate metabolism before pinning triggers are introduced.
You're well beyond the realm of anything approaching a tek, so just continue doing whatever you want. The mycelium could use some hydration if it's going to fruit at all. Throw some beer on it. Piss on it. It's whatever.
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Barrel said: I'm honestly impressed you got anything to grow on vermiculite, since there's nothing in straight vermiculite to be metabolized. This, along with the rest of your post confirms the tek was done incorrectly.
PF tek won't work with tapered neck jars. Wide mouth jars are used so the whole cake will slide out whole once the cake is consolidated. Since the neck was tapered, there's no good way for us to guess if the cake crumbled because of the neck, or because the cake wasn't consolidated.
Any mold generally means it's all got mold in it. Mold mycelium is invisible to the naked eye, and grows fast and long. There's no way to tell whether or not the mold mycelium made it through the vermiculite and into the cake. On paper it shouldn't, but having mold on the vermiculite means there was an error somewhere in the execution of the tek.
If you ended up with cakes, dunking the contaminated with the not yet confirmed contaminated cakes would have almost guaranteed they were all contaminated after the dunk.
If you'd read the tek you'd know why dunking is done. It's an important step done to hydrate the cakes and facilitate metabolism before pinning triggers are introduced.
You're well beyond the realm of anything approaching a tek, so just continue doing whatever you want. The mycelium could use some hydration if it's going to fruit at all. Throw some beer on it. Piss on it. It's whatever.
If its done just to hydrate cant you just add to water in bits and then filter, or compress into a block and then dunk, might be a bit hard though,what would be best I this situation, its not just verm in the jars though its got brf in too and water obviously.
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Re: Is it safe to scrape a bit of mold off dry vermiculite layer? [Re: Ojepam]
#26444218 - 01/21/20 02:56 AM (4 years, 27 days ago) |
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It seems the mold is only in a couple of jars, meaning that Im guessing its the jars where the spore solution got into the dry verm, first few jars I wasn't looking where I was injecting because I was checking how many spores where going into the jar so was focusing on the syringe.
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Re: Is it safe to scrape a bit of mold off dry vermiculite layer? [Re: Ojepam]
#26444291 - 01/21/20 05:11 AM (4 years, 27 days ago) |
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Ojepam said: Added the dry verm before boiling it I think, the colonizing part took quite a while though so id forgot, I looked everything up at the time though, I thought it was because some of the spores went into the dry vermiculite that caused it but that's illogical lol honestly though my memory doesn't remember, I'm just going assuming I did because at the start I was looking everything's up
On your next go, write stuff down so you don't forget. All the time I think "it's okay I'll remember what I did here/how much I used/what order I did it in", and I then immediately forget. If you follow a tek to the letter it shouldn't be a problem, but if you're still not sure then it's gonna be harder to know what to improve on next time.
If your jars were fully colonised and you then opened them and saw the mold, what was the purpose of adding more verm? Surely would have been easier to pour verm off and birth the cakes (or in your case scoop them out in bits as those jars may not birth cakes whole). If there is any mould in there, scraping it off probably won't help much though.
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Re: Is it safe to scrape a bit of mold off dry vermiculite layer? [Re: Tattersail]
#26444351 - 01/21/20 06:28 AM (4 years, 27 days ago) |
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Should i just take the tops of the cakes off below the mold and keep goin and hope for the best? Still got some jars without mold though luckily, I'm gonna have to do 1 tray with the moldy ones and one without, thing is that wont be very big at all lol so small that i don't know if its worth using them all together, could use them together and hope for the best, would dunking the moldy ones that haven't been emptied out get rid of any mold that could of got on top of the cake? I know i don't really know much but i think I've heard of people gettin harvests with moldy cakes, isn't it just luck on whether or not the mold spreads onto the mushrooms or is it bad because the mushrooms absorb the mold or something from the cake and then infects the mushrooms, and does mold grow quicker than mushrooms, if not then maybe you could grow the mushrooms before the mold attacks them, or is it bad because it infects the mycelium?
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Re: Is it safe to scrape a bit of mold off dry vermiculite layer? [Re: Tattersail]
#26444365 - 01/21/20 06:53 AM (4 years, 27 days ago) |
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Ojepam said: Added the dry verm before boiling it I think, the colonizing part took quite a while though so id forgot, I looked everything up at the time though, I thought it was because some of the spores went into the dry vermiculite that caused it but that's illogical lol honestly though my memory doesn't remember, I'm just going assuming I did because at the start I was looking everything's up
On your next go, write stuff down so you don't forget. All the time I think "it's okay I'll remember what I did here/how much I used/what order I did it in", and I then immediately forget. If you follow a tek to the letter it shouldn't be a problem, but if you're still not sure then it's gonna be harder to know what to improve on next time.
If your jars were fully colonised and you then opened them and saw the mold, what was the purpose of adding more verm? Surely would have been easier to pour verm off and birth the cakes (or in your case scoop them out in bits as those jars may not birth cakes whole). If there is any mould in there, scraping it off probably won't help much though.
Only one of the jars was fully colonized you see so that's the only one I've emptied out, tbh I'm a bit confused over whether the one I emptied out had mold In lol if I just empty them all out (even the un fully colonised ones) after taking the tops off the cakes and mixin with sterilized coco coir will i stand a chance?
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Re: Is it safe to scrape a bit of mold off dry vermiculite layer? [Re: Ojepam]
#26444386 - 01/21/20 07:21 AM (4 years, 27 days ago) |
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Gonna take a big risk and hope for the best I suppose lol in this situation is it just a case of hoping that when I recolonise the final thing that it doaent end up getting contaminated? Another thing that's confusing me is one of the jars had mycelium on the dry vermiculite that looked darker than usual mycelium but I'm guessing it was because it was thin making it see through but I scraped that out too just incase so now its hard to tell which jar is which lol done myself over here by being forgetful.
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Re: Is it safe to scrape a bit of mold off dry vermiculite layer? [Re: Ojepam]
#26444578 - 01/21/20 10:14 AM (4 years, 27 days ago) |
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You should really re read the tek and start over. I'd read it through a number of times to familiarize myself, then go ahead step by step.
Hopefully you get something from these but I would not count on it.
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Re: Is it safe to scrape a bit of mold off dry vermiculite layer? [Re: Barrel]
#26444766 - 01/21/20 12:19 PM (4 years, 27 days ago) |
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Barrel said: Throw some beer on it. Piss on it. It's whatever.
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Re: Is it safe to scrape a bit of mold off dry vermiculite layer? [Re: DnDRnD]
#26444862 - 01/21/20 05:57 PM (4 years, 26 days ago) |
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Ojepam said:
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Barrel said: I'm honestly impressed you got anything to grow on vermiculite, since there's nothing in straight vermiculite to be metabolized. This, along with the rest of your post confirms the tek was done incorrectly.
PF tek won't work with tapered neck jars. Wide mouth jars are used so the whole cake will slide out whole once the cake is consolidated. Since the neck was tapered, there's no good way for us to guess if the cake crumbled because of the neck, or because the cake wasn't consolidated.
Any mold generally means it's all got mold in it. Mold mycelium is invisible to the naked eye, and grows fast and long. There's no way to tell whether or not the mold mycelium made it through the vermiculite and into the cake. On paper it shouldn't, but having mold on the vermiculite means there was an error somewhere in the execution of the tek.
If you ended up with cakes, dunking the contaminated with the not yet confirmed contaminated cakes would have almost guaranteed they were all contaminated after the dunk.
If you'd read the tek you'd know why dunking is done. It's an important step done to hydrate the cakes and facilitate metabolism before pinning triggers are introduced.
You're well beyond the realm of anything approaching a tek, so just continue doing whatever you want. The mycelium could use some hydration if it's going to fruit at all. Throw some beer on it. Piss on it. It's whatever.
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Barrel said: I'm honestly impressed you got anything to grow on vermiculite, since there's nothing in straight vermiculite to be metabolized. This, along with the rest of your post confirms the tek was done incorrectly.
PF tek won't work with tapered neck jars. Wide mouth jars are used so the whole cake will slide out whole once the cake is consolidated. Since the neck was tapered, there's no good way for us to guess if the cake crumbled because of the neck, or because the cake wasn't consolidated.
Any mold generally means it's all got mold in it. Mold mycelium is invisible to the naked eye, and grows fast and long. There's no way to tell whether or not the mold mycelium made it through the vermiculite and into the cake. On paper it shouldn't, but having mold on the vermiculite means there was an error somewhere in the execution of the tek.
If you ended up with cakes, dunking the contaminated with the not yet confirmed contaminated cakes would have almost guaranteed they were all contaminated after the dunk.
If you'd read the tek you'd know why dunking is done. It's an important step done to hydrate the cakes and facilitate metabolism before pinning triggers are introduced.
You're well beyond the realm of anything approaching a tek, so just continue doing whatever you want. The mycelium could use some hydration if it's going to fruit at all. Throw some beer on it. Piss on it. It's whatever.
If its done just to hydrate cant you just add to water in bits and then filter, or compress into a block and then dunk, might be a bit hard though,what would be best I this situation, its not just verm in the jars though its got brf in too and water obviously.
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DnDRnD said: Mold mycelium can be seen with a naked eye dude 
When spawning cakes to bulk we skip the dunking step because the substrate holds the water that the mycelium needs
Tapered neck jars can be used if spawning cakes to bulk since they get crumbled to bulk anyways
If your verm layer got mold then your cake is probably contaminated as well, if you didnt wipe the rims of your jars off BEFORE applying the dry verm layer you can get pieces of BRF mixture stuck to the sides which can act as a wick for contaminates
Just gonna reiterate what I said before
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Re: Is it safe to scrape a bit of mold off dry vermiculite layer? [Re: DnDRnD]
#26444928 - 01/21/20 06:37 PM (4 years, 26 days ago) |
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Wouldn't getting rid of the mold and then like quite a bit around that work, and then when you do get the cake out In chunks soak them in water for a bit so any mold or bacteria that could of got on from inside the jar gets washed off? That's a bit less risky, Best I can think of lol
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Re: Is it safe to scrape a bit of mold off dry vermiculite layer? [Re: Ojepam]
#26444974 - 01/21/20 06:59 PM (4 years, 26 days ago) |
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Once it's molded it's usually toast, but you can skip dunking and spawn straight to coir if your determined to try
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Re: Is it safe to scrape a bit of mold off dry vermiculite layer? [Re: DnDRnD]
#26445542 - 01/22/20 02:25 AM (4 years, 26 days ago) |
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DnDRnD said: Once it's molded it's usually toast, but you can skip dunking and spawn straight to coir if your determined to try
Might as well keep at it and see what happens, if it doesn't work at least I've learnt a bit more for next time, if it does work ill learn that mold isn't as bad as people claim and if it doesn't work then ill know how severe mold is lol
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Re: Is it safe to scrape a bit of mold off dry vermiculite layer? [Re: Ojepam]
#26445628 - 01/22/20 05:04 AM (4 years, 26 days ago) |
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Take my word for it. Mold is a game ender. You can outrun it if it shows up when your pinning but if it's in your jar your done. I would make up more jars for sure. Maybe try some of these holy Grail no pours. Or pasty plates. Or regular Petri dishes. But whatever you do foucus on agar. Getting a clean culture on agar should be your next goal after getting enough mush to trip.
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